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Post by clemfandango on Aug 6, 2024 8:44:43 GMT
I'm not sure spending the whole episode building up to a massive battle, then making us wait two years for the battle was the best move...
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Post by Vandelay on Aug 6, 2024 9:34:22 GMT
Likely watch it tonight, but does look like the reception hasn't been great for the final episode. Only 6.4 when I glanced at IMDb (slightly above The Small Folk) and The Guardian moaning in the headline for the recap and another article with a headline moaning that there haven't been enough dragon battles.
It hasn't been the speediest season, but still felt like there was plenty going on for me (and plenty of dragon action). As I mentioned before, episode runtime could have been trimmed for every episode, but don't think there were any that I haven't enjoyed.
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Post by Tuffty on Aug 6, 2024 9:49:50 GMT
One thing the show is better for, if we're comparing to GOT, is cinematography. Daemon going through Harrenhal first time was a Dark Souls level. Any close up shot of the dragons really. Even the final shots of the season tells a story in itself.
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Post by rawshark on Aug 6, 2024 10:55:09 GMT
It is a very pretty series. I just wish it effing went somewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2024 11:07:54 GMT
I'm not sure spending the whole episode building up to a massive battle, then making us wait two years for the battle was the best move... Dude - spoiler!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2024 11:10:57 GMT
Yes and I don't want to be the "Um actually" kind of guy but if you're Arya, getting stabbed like 3 times in the stomach, enough to have the knife twist even and then falling into a river flowing through the city...in GOT setting you're 100% dead from the stabs or infection. More so than this, I know Brienne is a big strapping woman, but if you get repeatedly punched in the head and then head butted whilst prone by The Hound you aren’t winning the fight and walking off. She’d have been absolutely knocked out. Loved both characters though, and artistic licence, plot armour etc etc. We never complained that LOTR or Star Wars lacked realism. Yes I now remember all the Sand Snakes rubbish. Great 😂
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Post by Tuffty on Aug 6, 2024 12:34:38 GMT
Absolutely, there's just stuff in the show that if it happened to anyone in the books it's just instant death. Jamie falling into the lake in a suit of armor, there's a shot of Sam literally ganged up on by wights and lives uninjured. It's just they followed it close enough in the beginning, they could have Khal Drogo die in battle as it's the first time you see him in it, but he dies of an infected wound. At some point you realise which characters are the main ones and nothing will happen to them
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Post by baihu1983 on Aug 6, 2024 14:15:20 GMT
They should have all died during the long night. Also as great as the gold train scene is, Jamie falling into the water is an instant death in earlier seasons and no way is someone of Bronn dragging him to safety. Also for those that have read the book Surely Sunfyres not really dead?
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Post by Tuffty on Aug 6, 2024 16:07:45 GMT
To answer the above (book wanker reply below) Really doubt they'll deviate in that way considering where it ends up. A dragon death would be significant enough to show rather than leave to something off screen you would imagine. Aegon perhaps is kept out of the loop, Criston does have a line in an earlier episode to say Sunfyre is being looked after. One for the TV viewers I reckon to leave as a surprise for later.
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Post by baihu1983 on Aug 6, 2024 20:43:54 GMT
Lowest rated episode and close to Thrones Finale score. People are really upset about the lack of battle.
It was perfectly fine IMO but needed one big scene. Maybe show Aemond burning the town in anger cause it seems many are mostly annoyed at the lack of dragons.
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Post by Vandelay on Aug 6, 2024 20:46:19 GMT
Well, continue to be baffled by the complaints. Thought that was an excellent episode. Yes, it is mostly pieces moving around, but I was rivetted during the final scenes.
As someone already mentioned, I strongly suspect that this season (and this episode) will be better regarded when it is part of a complete set, rather than being viewed with the knowledge of this being all we will get for another two years.
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Post by Nemesis on Aug 6, 2024 22:27:42 GMT
Lots of pieces moving on the board this season which means in two years we’re gonna see some epic stuff.
I’ve really enjoyed it and it made Monday a really enjoyable day.
Dunk and Egg will be a nice filler whilst we wait for S3.
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Post by Tuffty on Aug 6, 2024 23:45:46 GMT
It does feel like the 8th episode in a 10 episode series. Lots of setup towards something but with no pay off. Multiple scenes of Rhaenyra being told she has to act by multiple people. Even taming Sheepstealer wasn't a payoff even though there's multiple scenes in the episode alone dedicated to finding it.
That being said there's still a lot to like about the episode. Anyone comparing it to the worst of S8 GOT really needs to rewatch it's nowhere near as bad. People just wanting dragon battles thinking it's the only way of advancing the plot.
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Post by Nemesis on Aug 7, 2024 12:18:10 GMT
I think season 8 shows what happens when you rush things; whilst I would’ve liked a big season finale, I think we got plenty of epic stuff through the whole season and I’m sure when we get Season 3 and 4 it’s all going to pay off.
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Post by Nemesis on Aug 7, 2024 12:18:34 GMT
/fingers crossed/
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Post by Tuffty on Aug 7, 2024 12:23:42 GMT
The showrunners have already shown instances of laying down storylines that have pay off, I've faith it will come good in the end. Just doesn't make the wait any easier unfortunately! Feels like the ones complaining that it is moving too slow are the type of audience that S8 was trying to reach.
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Post by baihu1983 on Aug 7, 2024 12:30:32 GMT
The tiktok crowd.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2024 12:36:02 GMT
Well, continue to be baffled by the complaints. Thought that was an excellent episode. Yes, it is mostly pieces moving around, but I was rivetted during the final scenes. As someone already mentioned, I strongly suspect that this season (and this episode) will be better regarded when it is part of a complete set, rather than being viewed with the knowledge of this being all we will get for another two years. It’s the internet age isn’t it. If we were watching this in the early 90s everybody would just go ‘well that was a bit alright wasn’t it’ and have to actually buy a stamp and ink to write to Points of View if they weren’t happy. God knows how these people would have reacted to the ending and wait of Empire Strikes Back. It’s part of a long arc ffs!
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Post by Tuffty on Aug 7, 2024 13:01:25 GMT
The kind of complaints from non book readers, who have their own gripes, is the kind of stuff that was explained earlier, even in the same episode. Really just makes you think that they don't pay full attention to it, prob browsing the phone at the same time. I don't mean to be snobby about it but it really is just that simple.
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Post by baihu1983 on Aug 7, 2024 15:22:33 GMT
I've seen complaints about Helaena suddenly having gifts/abilities so you can tell that lot haven't been following since S1.
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Post by DrStrangelove on Aug 9, 2024 11:43:27 GMT
Just give me the battle above the Gods Eye and be done with it you shits.
Yes I'm a book wanker but I swear to you, I was never so alive as when I read that part.
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Post by baihu1983 on Aug 14, 2024 13:55:20 GMT
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Post by baihu1983 on Aug 30, 2024 14:44:50 GMT
Martin has said he's writing a blog about everything wrong with HotD.
Would rather be just focus on finishing WoW.
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Post by JonFE on Aug 30, 2024 15:05:56 GMT
At this time, I've given up hope GRRM has any chance or initiative to finish Winds of Winter, let alone the series as a whole; best fans can hope for is him leaving around enough notes for a successor to do that postmortem.
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Post by Tuffty on Aug 30, 2024 20:54:53 GMT
I don't think it'll be too critical of writing changes tho, he's still a producer on the show. Likely he'll point to the fact that writers strikes and HBO cut the season from 10 episodes to 8 at a point where it was supposedly do late to do anything about it. Most likely a "They're doing their best with what they have" type of thing.
I've made my peace that George isn't going to finish the series himself
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Post by baihu1983 on Aug 31, 2024 8:40:41 GMT
He made a blog just before the show complaining about others thinking they can do better than the source material(in general not talking about this show. He never named any work in particular but it was assumed he was talking about this). But yeah the late cut to 8 episodes didn't help.
At most he gets WoW out but unless he's going to shock everyone and announce A Dream of Spring is also finished and coming within a year or so later I doubt the series will get finished considering he's 75.
He's also said he doesn't want anyone else finishing it.
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Post by baihu1983 on Sept 4, 2024 17:08:43 GMT
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Post by Tuffty on Sept 4, 2024 19:04:03 GMT
Page not found when I click on the link. Sounds like he's not a fan of the current showrunner.
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Post by baihu1983 on Sept 4, 2024 19:40:04 GMT
Yeah been taken down. Sounds like he was lied to in regards to a key character that's now likely been cut and the effects of that impact multiple events. My guess is HBO came at him for the pretty big season 3 spoiler he just casually bought up. HBO has responded
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Oct 12, 2024 8:29:37 GMT
Just started watching this.
It's pretty good! I think it benefits from being relatively contained, it's like the politicking from GoT condensed into a few locations.
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