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Post by simple on May 19, 2022 15:35:46 GMT
I meant Sheridan’s but Andreas Katsulas should have been showered with awards for playing G’kar. One of the all time great sci-fi performances.
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Post by simple on May 19, 2022 17:31:55 GMT
I know it was a network commissioning thing but S4 really does feel like the end of Babylon 5.
Not a fan of the time skip news reel episode but then I don’t really like that style episode in any show. And coming after the excitement and coda of the previous two it feels a bit unnecessary.
Can’t really tell (or remember) where season 5 will go since 4 has wrapped up basically every major plot and character arc the show had. Unless its going to be more of Chekov causing trouble.
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Post by nazo on May 19, 2022 17:46:13 GMT
I think the news reel episode was a last minute thing. They'd already filmed the final episode that properly finishes everything off and then had to move that to the S5 finale when they got recommissioned.
I don't have good memories of S5 (except the finale which is great) and 2 episodes into my rewatch isn't doing much to change that impression. The main story is a bit shit (it's mentioned in the season 4 finale though so I guess they tried to make it a bit less out of the blue) but the production quality also seemed to take a bit of a dive.
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Post by simple on May 19, 2022 17:55:30 GMT
I am bracing myself for it to be diminishing returns from here, especially with movies and Crusade all being on Freevee too, but that is off the back of it being some of the best sci-fi there’s been on television and 4 having two epic climaxes
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Post by Aunt Alison on May 19, 2022 18:15:29 GMT
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Post by Blue_Mike on May 19, 2022 18:28:28 GMT
Season 5 does have the only episode written by Neil Gaiman, which is a standout.
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Post by Lizard on May 19, 2022 18:39:24 GMT
People seem to forget that there's loads of good Centauri stuff in the second half of S5. Unfortunately it's all mixed in with Byron
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Post by Whizzo on May 19, 2022 18:59:47 GMT
There's a lot of good in S5 but the bad is pretty terrible, Byron should have been "accidentally" spaced as soon as he showed up.
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Post by simple on May 19, 2022 21:45:17 GMT
One episode in ugh, Byron
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Post by Blue_Mike on May 20, 2022 2:01:15 GMT
They should have made Byron older and Irish, then every single negotiation about telepath rights could have had him bellowing "I HAVE MADE A LEGITIMATE AND PEACEFUL REQUEST"
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Post by nazo on May 20, 2022 10:18:28 GMT
Something I've noticed on this rewatch is how much difference viewing patterns make to the experience. At times I felt the story was progressing much quicker than I remembered, but when watching an episode nearly every day of course it will feel that way. Each season represented a year of station time and with 26 episodes put out weekly you're looking at at least 6 months to watch a whole season assuming no mid season breaks then a gap before the next one starts.
One of the characters referred to something that happened 1 or 2 episodes previously as being 'months ago' and that really brought home that I wasn't getting the experience of time passing that was intended.
I miss the olden days.
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Post by Bill in the rain on May 20, 2022 14:39:32 GMT
Something I've noticed on this rewatch is how much difference viewing patterns make to the experience. At times I felt the story was progressing much quicker than I remembered, but when watching an episode nearly every day of course it will feel that way. Each season represented a year of station time and with 26 episodes put out weekly you're looking at at least 6 months to watch a whole season assuming no mid season breaks then a gap before the next one starts. One of the characters referred to something that happened 1 or 2 episodes previously as being 'months ago' and that really brought home that I wasn't getting the experience of time passing that was intended. I miss the olden days. Yeah, I've noticed this with a few people's responses to older shows, and my response to some newer shows.
When a character has a change of heart or motivation, it stands out a lot more when you're comparing it to something you watched 45 minutes ago, rather than something you watched 2 weeks ago. It was also easier to imagine that stuff happened 'off screen' between episodes, which helped smooth over any of those issues.
I wonder if it's part of the reason why a lot of people seem to feel like 6 episode shows fail to stick their landings. It can be harder to build up the attachment to the characters and the feeling of importance when it only started yesterday. But if it's been building to this point over the past 5 months...
Then again, movies manage it in 2 hours. Maybe it's just different.
But shows back then were designed with the idea you'd watch them much more spaced out, unlike many shows of today.
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Post by simple on May 20, 2022 17:39:21 GMT
Since in the last year or so I’ve done stuff like Enterprise, Galactica, X-Files, Marvel-Netflix and others before jumping into Babylon 5 as well as watching new stuff as its come out I think one thing that is a huge difference is the amount of domestic time you used to spend with characters.
A lot of newer shows are all plot and all forward motion whereas those longer slower 90s shows are quite happy to drop in plenty of personality quirks and social interaction deeper than the occasional quip.
So when they do act in decisive (or divisive) ways later on we understand it or can be genuinely surprised by it because they’re rounder characters with a range of motivations and background deeper than whats immediately in front of them.
Plus you get to spend more time living in and absorbing the world of the show so you get a better feel on why you should care too.
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Post by simple on May 20, 2022 22:47:15 GMT
Sheridan really hit the Just For Men when he became leader of the Alliance, huh?
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Post by simple on May 23, 2022 9:39:13 GMT
Is Bester the best recurring character, not played by Jeffrey Combs, there is?
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Post by gossypman on May 23, 2022 10:57:48 GMT
I just saw the Sheridan torture episode and yes it is bad especially being just after Garaboldi ? Twist reveal.
I honestly thought he was undercover working for Sheridan the whole time .
Also Bester/Chekhov is a great character I should have watched this ages ago.
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Post by Blue_Mike on May 23, 2022 18:02:55 GMT
I think if they are proceeding with this reboot, if they are going to focus heavily on the telepath rights issue then they should introduce Byron or his equivalent as Besters' sidekick earlier on and give him a proper arc of growth and change, sort of like a Damar to Besters' Dukat, instead of retroactively inserting him into Besters' history in flashback scenes.
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Post by simple on May 23, 2022 18:09:37 GMT
I know they’ve said it won’t just be a reshooting of the original series but I think you’d have to change it pretty radically to make it tell like a modern story. Its not TNG/DS9/VOY but it does still do domestic/character stories alongside the epic stuff that you just don’t get anymore.
And so you try to restore Sinclair to something closer to his intended arc before real life illness forced him off screen?
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Post by simple on May 23, 2022 18:20:56 GMT
Speaking of which that season 5 episode guest starring Penn & Teller felt like both A and B plots were very TNG
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Post by Blue_Mike on May 23, 2022 18:52:15 GMT
Zoot zoot.
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Post by Bill in the rain on May 23, 2022 23:13:17 GMT
Is Bester the best recurring character, not played by Jeffrey Combs, there is? It was excellent casting against type.
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Post by HoriZon on May 24, 2022 11:22:18 GMT
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Post by simple on May 26, 2022 9:15:10 GMT
Lovely moment of comic awkwardness right near the end of season 5 when Leneer confesses his love for Delenn as they face certain death only to survive perfectly fine and having her backpedal it for him
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Post by simple on May 26, 2022 13:56:44 GMT
Sunday
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Post by simple on May 27, 2022 21:23:13 GMT
Looks like the Freevee versions of the films aren’t remastered like the series was so its a real aspect ratio and definition lottery
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Post by gossypman on May 29, 2022 10:35:53 GMT
Why all the Byron hate he's just trying to help.
I think the problem is u had action in previous series and well it's been a bit slow.
If it was only 6 episodes long his arc would of been ok.
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Post by simple on May 29, 2022 12:01:49 GMT
Watching it all in a binge this time I quite liked it actually. But cramming in all his episodes over two days is probably a much different experience to sitting with it for a couple of months. Plus it helps the shows horizons widen back into general life in the universe again after Season 4 focus so heavily on the wars and events rather than world-building.
Crusade is the only part of B5 not on Freevee so looks I might be skipping that and going straight to Legend of the Rangers and Lost Tales. Unless someone is going to tell me its worth buying on digital.
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Post by Bill in the rain on May 29, 2022 13:02:08 GMT
At the time I thought Crusade was a bit naff. But I can't guarantee that opinion is accurate these days.
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Post by nazo on May 29, 2022 13:06:11 GMT
Crusade isn't really part of B5, it's a separarate spin-off. I don't remember much about it but it wasn't very good. It got cancelled after a season so ultimately it doesn't go anywhere. I wouldn't bother if you can't stream it for free.
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Post by simple on May 29, 2022 14:25:50 GMT
My completist instinct will be twitching but after watching the rest for free paying a tenner for potentially the worst part seems a waste then
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