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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2021 14:06:00 GMT
Entire 5 season story arc set out in advance of the pilot even being filmed, leads to dropped hints that are resolved 40 episodes later, not 40 minutes later. That's why it's so great. Rewards the effort, even on the 20th run through. At least
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Post by Dougs on Aug 13, 2021 22:43:43 GMT
Yes it is. (never seen it)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2021 22:53:19 GMT
Fucking Simon Pegg. There is a point, an epiphany, when you get B5, and it is truly beautiful. I envy you having it in front of you. Though you probably would have to actually watch it
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Post by spawnscape on Aug 13, 2021 23:17:41 GMT
Yes it is.
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Post by creepyloungelizard on Aug 14, 2021 12:34:27 GMT
Love Babylon 5. The world building and storytelling are immense. Nowadays, it's a bit rough around the edges and the ship effects are horrible but that doesn't detract from how great it is. I'd recommend it to any sci-fi/star trek fan that might miraculously have missed it.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Aug 14, 2021 12:54:33 GMT
What has Simon Pegg said about Babylon 5? Are the zombies not to his exact specifications?
I think the shonkiness of Babylon 5 adds to its charm
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Post by Aunt Alison on Aug 14, 2021 12:56:51 GMT
Fucking Simon Pegg. There is a point, an epiphany, when you get B5, and it is truly beautiful. I envy you having it in front of you. Though you probably would have to actually watch it That point for me was the series 1 finale. Up to that point it was your average monster of the week sci fi show and then bam! Love it
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2021 13:28:14 GMT
Fucking Simon Pegg. There is a point, an epiphany, when you get B5, and it is truly beautiful. I envy you having it in front of you. Though you probably would have to actually watch it That point for me was the series 1 finale. Up to that point it was your average monster of the week sci fi show and then bam! Love it That is the point where JMS started writing every episode. Every single fucking episode (Apart from one by Neil Gaiman) Hence the fact it felt so cohesive, it wasn't like Star Trek where every episode has a different writer credit.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Aug 14, 2021 13:35:24 GMT
One of the best things about Babylon 5 is how my opinions of characters changed so much over the course of its run. Characters I started off not liking I ended up loving and vice versa. Especially one particular character (you know the one) who I just ended up feeling pity for. Very hard to like but then there's the memories of simpler times before he got way in over his head
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2021 14:13:21 GMT
He is what is happening to the whole UK right now, that yearning for past greatness being manipulated by sinister forces for their own benefit, to create and profit from chaos. The Centauri are Tory, the Shadows their shadowy backers.
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Post by stuz359 on Aug 15, 2021 12:50:02 GMT
I feel like Babylon 5 would benefit from being more like a modern tv show. The 22 episode a season format with the kind of story they were telling felt a bit long looking back on it, especially when it felt they had concluded the main arc not long into season 4.
Still love it though.
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Post by simple on Aug 15, 2021 13:30:14 GMT
In retrospect B5 does sit on an awkward middle line between the type of storytelling you get in modern big budget tv and the traditional Star Trek episodic approach.
I’d love to properly rewatch it again soon
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Post by Techno Hippy on Aug 15, 2021 15:22:40 GMT
Remains one of my favourite sci-fi shows - I rewatched it last year and still a fine watch.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Sept 14, 2021 2:52:53 GMT
I started on a rewatch earlier this year, inspired by several others on the RPS forums who did the same. My rewatch petered out after 5-6 episodes... not because of any problem with the show but just because of a lack of free time and there being *too much to watch*.
It surprised me by only taking about 2 episodes before I was fully back into it though. The space scenes didn't even look all that dated to me.. low res, sure, but they were doing camera movement and angles that you wouldn't have seen in other shows at the time.
Pacing was slower than a lot of modern shows, that feel the need to have every episode have 8 revelations because the season is only 6 episodes or so.
Been trying to think of a more modern show that has the same kind of feel as B5, and the only one I could really come up with was Game of Thrones... despite the obvious difference in tone.
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Post by Lizard on Sept 14, 2021 4:06:46 GMT
I started on a rewatch earlier this year, inspired by several others on the RPS forums who did the same. My rewatch petered out after 5-6 episodes... not because of any problem with the show but just because of a lack of free time and there being *too much to watch*. It surprised me by only taking about 2 episodes before I was fully back into it though. The space scenes didn't even look all that dated to me.. low res, sure, but they were doing camera movement and angles that you wouldn't have seen in other shows at the time. Pacing was slower than a lot of modern shows, that feel the need to have every episode have 8 revelations because the season is only 6 episodes or so. Been trying to think of a more modern show that has the same kind of feel as B5, and the only one I could really come up with was Game of Thrones... despite the obvious difference in tone. Absolutely. The first season may seem extraneous but a lot of world-building (and a fair bit of foreshadowing) happens in those episodes. It establishes the depth of the show.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2021 6:34:24 GMT
It does. A two word comment ('I know') in the very first episode iirc, doesn't get a reveal until towards the end of the second series.
And gave us Commander Jeffrey Sinclair, one the most humane characters TV, and certainly sci-fi, has created.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Sept 14, 2021 8:20:02 GMT
I really didn't like it when Boxleitner showed up acting like owned the place. Took me a while to warm to him (loved him by the end)
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Sept 14, 2021 8:27:05 GMT
Its one of the many accidental things that made B5 great. Sheridan was, ultimately, a better character than sinclair and Bruce Boxleitner is a much better actor.
Weird to think what the show would have been like if O'Hare hadnt got ill.
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Post by technoish on Sept 14, 2021 8:29:53 GMT
Fucksake I refuse to pay 15 quid to watch this on Amazon (per season!!!)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2021 8:35:49 GMT
I really didn't like it when Boxleitner showed up acting like owned the place. Took me a while to warm to him (loved him by the end) Yes, he's almost portrayed as a baddie when he first appears, it's not until Hague arrives it becomes clear he's actually ahead of the game regards Clark, and why he was sent to B5. But, as you say, turns out to be so far beyond cool he'd need a White Star to get back to it Reading back, never answered your question re Simon Pegg. In Spaced, Tim gets sacked on purpose from the comic shop he doesn't want to work in, by shouting 'Babylon 5 is a big pile of shit!' at the owner. Since when, any thread anywhere in any universe on B5 gets a 'Babylon 5 is a big pile of shit!' comment almost immediately, hence my pre-emptive parenthesis. Didn't know about Neil Gaiman writing Day of the Dead either, cheers Ryan :thumbsup
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Post by Aunt Alison on Sept 14, 2021 8:37:43 GMT
I started on a rewatch earlier this year, inspired by several others on the RPS forums who did the same. My rewatch petered out after 5-6 episodes... not because of any problem with the show but just because of a lack of free time and there being *too much to watch*. It surprised me by only taking about 2 episodes before I was fully back into it though. The space scenes didn't even look all that dated to me.. low res, sure, but they were doing camera movement and angles that you wouldn't have seen in other shows at the time. Pacing was slower than a lot of modern shows, that feel the need to have every episode have 8 revelations because the season is only 6 episodes or so. Been trying to think of a more modern show that has the same kind of feel as B5, and the only one I could really come up with was Game of Thrones... despite the obvious difference in tone. The Expanse is really good
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2021 8:40:32 GMT
Its one of the many accidental things that made B5 great. Sheridan was, ultimately, a better character than sinclair and Bruce Boxleitner is a much better actor. Weird to think what the show would have been like if O'Hare hadnt got ill. Well, hard to say how good an actor O'Hare was, given his difficulties (the only other thing I think I've ever seen him in is 'C.H.U.D.', and that almost non-speaking) but yes from the point of view of the story at least, it all worked out. Michael O'Hare -
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Post by Aunt Alison on Sept 14, 2021 8:43:04 GMT
Realistically the athiest would be telling the others they're all wrong and stuped
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2021 8:58:29 GMT
Realistically the athiest would be telling the others they're all wrong and stupid No, Sinclair would have chosen a friend who was a tolerant athiest, not a militant who walked along the line shouting at everyone
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Post by Aunt Alison on Sept 14, 2021 9:00:31 GMT
Reelistically the athiest would be telling the others they're all wrong and stupid No, Sinclair would have chosen a friend who was a tolerant athiest, not a militant who walked along the line shouting at everyone Now you've quoted me, I've noticed the 'their' and cannot edit it. You!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2021 9:04:41 GMT
I didn't like to say anything (the spelling on here has been appalling so far, like everyone has been through some sort of traumatic loss) but I've corrected it in my post, so do the same and we'll sey no moor about it.
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Post by idgaf on Sept 14, 2021 9:21:09 GMT
I watched it for the first time I think earlier this year or late last year after buying the series digitally. I'd only seen scattered episodes on terrestrial TV before that. ( though I had fond memories of it.)
It took a while to get over how appalling it looks in terms of image quality, even when I was using a good upscaling. But it really does hold up as an excellent TV show with one very long arc.
I did feel that the changes in two characters at the start of the show who're Lauren Hardy types into very much not laurel and Hardy was a bit jarring. Yet that didn't detract from Andre Katsoulis giving some of the best performances I've seen in any TV show or film for that matter.
I still have the final season yet to watch, but I'm not sure how fussed I am.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2021 10:07:10 GMT
S 1 to 4 are certainly the main arc, and there are some fairly throwaway episodes in S 5, but watch it, because there are moments of astonishing beauty (aside from the fact it looks like it was filmed on greaseproof paper).
'We have to create the future, or others will do it for us.'
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Yup.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Sept 14, 2021 10:19:26 GMT
I liked series 5 (but I was already really invested in the show by that point). Rewatching, it's really painful to watch how unappreciated Lyta is. There's so many moments you wish people would have just given her due recognition
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Sept 14, 2021 10:28:58 GMT
Its hard work. The psychic commune storyline is not a good one. Fair play, they did make it up on the hoof and there are a few gems in there but overall you can happily ignore it completely.
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