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Post by cubby on Oct 31, 2021 10:07:11 GMT
Or Steve, that's fucking true.
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Post by razz on Oct 31, 2021 13:57:36 GMT
If it was a black actor he'd be in prison already lol
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Post by deebs on Oct 31, 2021 23:49:09 GMT
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Nov 1, 2021 1:18:56 GMT
If you're the chief armorer and there are 500 live bullets on the set that you are on, you should probably at least have some idea where they came from. Feel like it's probably your job to know about these things.
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Post by deebs on Nov 1, 2021 1:23:38 GMT
The Story does seem to be getting a bit weird. She's right about keeping live ammo well away from a set, let along someone loading the prop guns with the shit. The only piece of the puzzle is who was it that handed the gun to the executive producer. Or who loaded it. Or why wasn't it checked before it was handed over.
Something really odd about it and no one is accepting the blame.
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Post by beastmaster on Nov 11, 2021 10:43:02 GMT
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Post by Aunt Alison on Nov 11, 2021 11:24:31 GMT
Shouldn't be a spider with live venom loaded into it on set in the first place. Utter shambles
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Post by cubby on Dec 3, 2021 10:57:04 GMT
So a few more details have come out of that weird interview Baldwin gave. He cocked the gun during a rehearsal, then released the hammer and the gun fired. He claims at no point did he pull the trigger. He was aiming it near the camera as Hutchins was directing his angles, to the point he was aiming it near her armpit.
The main point of interest at the moment is that "reloaded ammo" had made its way into the dummy ammo, according to the ammo supplier. Reloaded ammo being bullets made using recycled parts of previously used ammunition.
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Post by freddiemercurystwin on Dec 3, 2021 11:13:08 GMT
What a complete fuck up it all is as it seems is the whole industry surrounding the use of firearms on sets.
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Post by elstoof on Dec 3, 2021 11:41:21 GMT
Baldwin must've asked his wife to come up with another alternative history for him to believe in
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Post by Vortex on Dec 3, 2021 12:38:42 GMT
From the clips I've seen on the news, that whole interview is fucking weird. Overly dramatic background music etc, it's like some interview in a film ffs.
I don't really believe a word of what he said either, i felt he came across a bit insincere. In a 'Couldn't have been me, I couldn't sweat then' kind of way.
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Post by cubby on Dec 3, 2021 13:07:22 GMT
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Post by tonyferrino on Dec 3, 2021 13:19:00 GMT
I don't really understand the point he's trying to make to be honest. I'm fairly sure he didn't know the gun was loaded with live ammo, and I'm fairly sure he didn't intend to kill the victim. Whether he pulled the trigger, pulled back the hammer, whatever, it was an accident that I doubt was his fault at all. This just seems like needless public woe-is-me crap. Just shut up, let the full investigation happen, let the family grieve. Jeez.
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Post by elstoof on Dec 3, 2021 13:45:21 GMT
I can kind of forgive whatever it is he thinks he’s doing, he’ll be completely fucked in the head coming to terms with what happened. Plus he’s a Hollywood actor so he wasn’t exactly starting from a place of normality to begin with
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2021 13:59:06 GMT
Yeah I imagine killing someone is quite difficult to process.
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Post by Lukus on Dec 3, 2021 14:09:24 GMT
So a few more details have come out of that weird interview Baldwin gave. He cocked the gun during a rehearsal, then released the hammer and the gun fired. He claims at no point did he pull the trigger. He was aiming it near the camera as Hutchins was directing his angles, to the point he was aiming it near her armpit. The main point of interest at the moment is that "reloaded ammo" had made its way into the dummy ammo, according to the ammo supplier. Reloaded ammo being bullets made using recycled parts of previously used ammunition. I will preface my message by saying I know nothing about guns or prop guns or film sets or anything, really, but I was listening to Ridley Scott being interviewed recently and he was talking about American Gangster. Basically he told an anecdote about Idris Elba thinking he'd been shot on set, but stated that he never uses live or blank rounds in any of his films and that the guns he uses can't even be loaded with any kind of round at all. So... Given that film is about fifteen years old and the esteem of that particular director, I don't get why anyone would feel the need to use a potentially more dangerous set up in their films. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2021 14:17:31 GMT
Probably cheaper.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2021 14:22:36 GMT
I think Alec would have been responding to that earlier interview where someone said something like "Alec shouldn't have pulled the trigger. There was no reason to in that scene at all. It's his fault and not the armourer's who provided the gun with the live bullet in it". As other people are getting in their denials and trying to point blame and as the media sadly influences people, I think its all he could do. Saying nothing is taken as guilt by many.
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Post by cubby on Dec 3, 2021 15:34:22 GMT
So a few more details have come out of that weird interview Baldwin gave. He cocked the gun during a rehearsal, then released the hammer and the gun fired. He claims at no point did he pull the trigger. He was aiming it near the camera as Hutchins was directing his angles, to the point he was aiming it near her armpit. The main point of interest at the moment is that "reloaded ammo" had made its way into the dummy ammo, according to the ammo supplier. Reloaded ammo being bullets made using recycled parts of previously used ammunition. I will preface my message by saying I know nothing about guns or prop guns or film sets or anything, really, but I was listening to Ridley Scott being interviewed recently and he was talking about American Gangster. Basically he told an anecdote about Idris Elba thinking he'd been shot on set, but stated that he never uses live or blank rounds in any of his films and that the guns he uses can't even be loaded with any kind of round at all. So... Given that film is about fifteen years old and the esteem of that particular director, I don't get why anyone would feel the need to use a potentially more dangerous set up in their films. As Decks says, it's a lot cheaper to use a real gun and put blanks into it than use special prop guns. This was a cheap ass budget film, $8 million dollars apparently. Ridley Scott has big budgets. He spent $10 million on reshoots for All The Money In The World. |
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Post by Lukus on Dec 3, 2021 17:08:13 GMT
Weird, in my mind I'd assumed real guns and rounds (real or blanks) would have been the more expensive option.
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Post by Dougs on Dec 3, 2021 17:14:25 GMT
Market forces innit. Loads of people buy actual real guns. Very few buy prop guns that are made to look real.
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Post by Lukus on Dec 3, 2021 17:26:25 GMT
Good point!
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Post by Lukus on Dec 3, 2021 17:27:14 GMT
But couldn't you just buy a real gun and take all the bits out?
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Post by cubby on Dec 3, 2021 21:08:13 GMT
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Dec 3, 2021 21:58:12 GMT
I can kind of forgive whatever it is he thinks he’s doing, he’ll be completely fucked in the head coming to terms with what happened. Plus he’s a Hollywood actor so he wasn’t exactly starting from a place of normality to begin with Even assuming that he is processing it all ok, I'd imagine that admitting how guilty he feels in a public interview is something that his lawyers would not approve of. |
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Post by elstoof on Dec 3, 2021 22:03:53 GMT
The clip I saw he said he didn’t feel guilty though
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Dec 3, 2021 22:17:45 GMT
Unless he's a complete sociopath, I imagine he does feel some measure of guilt, regardless of what he says.
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Post by hedben on Dec 4, 2021 12:35:56 GMT
I've been following Lexi Alexander on Twitter for a while, and she's making some good points about this, mainly reinforcing that it isn't the actor's job to verify that the gun is safe.
Also, the fact that Baldwin is a producer is irrelevant, and Clooney implying that he should have checked it also clouds the fact that it shouldn't have needed to be checked.
Thread here, which is a follow up to the original thread which is also good
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Dec 10, 2021 22:46:35 GMT
Ok, Alec should probably just shut up now.
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