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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Oct 22, 2021 19:03:01 GMT
It's weird. If it's an old style six shooter surely the bullets are going to made specifically for the gun rather than say 9mm type ammo which I assume is commonplace in the US.
Why have a real bullets for this gun anywhere near the set?
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Post by 😎 on Oct 22, 2021 19:07:14 GMT
All ammo is commonplace here. You can buy 38 special over the counter at Walmart.
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Post by cubby on Oct 22, 2021 19:20:10 GMT
38 special what?
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Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 22, 2021 19:29:25 GMT
The replies on his Twitter account are some proper depressing shit. Conveniently a lot are from Trump supporters.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Oct 22, 2021 19:53:00 GMT
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Post by jonsend on Oct 22, 2021 20:11:08 GMT
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Post by deebs on Oct 22, 2021 23:07:49 GMT
They wouldn't be. In Brandon Lee's case it was the propulsion of jammed debris from a defective round caught in the barrel of the gun. Prop guns are real guns, they are no different. |
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Post by Danno on Oct 22, 2021 23:10:30 GMT
What the hell is live ammo doing laying about? America. |
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Post by deebs on Oct 22, 2021 23:10:58 GMT
All ammo is commonplace here. You can buy 38 special over the counter at Walmart. I went to a yard sale a block away and some guy was selling a couple of revolvers and a hi-point amongst the picture frames and knicknacks. |
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Post by Danno on Oct 22, 2021 23:11:49 GMT
I saw a video of the Twilight Zone accident. Horrifying. As for criminal charges, it's unlikely anyone would face prosecution, but the prop master will likely see an end to his career. I understand how things can get mixed up between takes, Baldwin may have picked up the wrong gun, or the check between takes was somehow skipped because the director wanted them to do another take immediately. There's a laundry list of reasons for it to go bad, and it's incredibly rare - especially when you take into account how many guns are used in how many movies for how many decades. Tragic and thoroughly sickening for everyone concerned. Why would there be guns firing real bullets on set? America. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2021 6:08:02 GMT
I remember going into a Walmart in Kentucky or thereabouts and being amazed by the really large gun section where you could buy all kinds of weapons. They even had a two for one deal on ammo. I wanted to take a video of it as it just looked so out of place amongst all the foodstuffs.
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Post by jono62 on Oct 23, 2021 7:32:15 GMT
Thoughts and prayers, but now is not the time to talk about gun control.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Oct 23, 2021 8:18:51 GMT
Well, if they're not going to talk about it when whole classrooms of kids get killed, the incident of "herp derp I done put real ammo into my fake movie gun" probably is not going to shift the needle.
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Post by cubby on Oct 23, 2021 10:02:41 GMT
deadline.com/2021/10/rust-movie-gun-internal-review-safety-issues-production-camera-crew-walkout-1234860497/Seems like the production had too low a budget for the amount of gun work involved, meaning they went cheap. Union camera guys walked out citing grievances including lack of pay and gun safety hours before, which sounds like guns being pointed in their direction. Camera operators are often in the most dangerous position with guns being pointed at the camera all the time. That and IATSE sending out an email saying none of the prop masters were union members sounds like they cheaped out a hell of a lot here.
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Post by Sarfrin on Oct 23, 2021 12:05:02 GMT
Good thread about gun safety on movie sets from a professional. The TLDR is that multiple things must have gone wrong. There shouldn't have been live ammo on set and even blank loaded guns aren't ever pointed at people.
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Post by tonyferrino on Oct 25, 2021 6:42:42 GMT
New interview reports are coming out saying that the AD didn't check the weapon before stating it was "cold", then giving it to Baldwin. Apparently he has been complained about regarding gun safety on another set in the past.
There's no reason why a gun has to be handed over to another person without a good briefing. In the Army we were taught to - ideally- unload the weapon into a sandbank, in the presence of the other person, to prove it was empty. An actor could observe this process, even if they weren't doing it themselves.
If there was some reason why we had to hand over a loaded weapon we gave a FULL handover, i.e. "this weapon is loaded with blank rounds but not made ready". It certainly made us very aware of the state of a weapon.
I'm sure there have been incidents of negligent discharges due to poor handovers, but the vast majority (of not many considering how many times I was on a range) were due to poor handling by the firer.
Anyway, this is all moot. I get the argument about the realism from the recoil etc, but it's just not worth it if the people responsible for safety aren't being serious about it. Hopefully this IATSE action will lead to meaningful change.
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Post by technoish on Oct 25, 2021 7:14:52 GMT
Yeah there was basically only enough money for one gun on set, and they didn't have enough money to pay for an armourer, just prop people (which in this case we're not even proper professional union people).
Gun had been used for a live ammo scene earlier, and then it wasn't changed over for the errant scene - and it wasn't even a prop person who gave it, just grabbed by somebody else and given to Baldwin.
The reason the cinematographer died was because she was behind the camera - again because they were too cheap to have a cameraman!
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Post by Lukus on Oct 25, 2021 8:41:23 GMT
I wonder if they'll finish the film or just cancel it now.
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Post by dfunked on Oct 25, 2021 8:43:57 GMT
Sounds like they didn't have anything in the way of a budget to begin with, so can't see them starting up filming again after this.
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Post by mothercruncher on Oct 25, 2021 8:57:12 GMT
Jesus, you’d think perhaps someone as well known as Baldwin- and if the budget is super low he’d be the star draw- would have the experience of better run films and the sway to speak up and change things.
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Post by askew on Oct 25, 2021 8:59:54 GMT
Wasn't Baldwin also a producer on this film, thus responsible for stumping up at least some of the cash? :/
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Post by cubby on Oct 25, 2021 10:06:13 GMT
I can't find the post but there was a great break down of how these small productions go nowadays.
The director and Baldwin wrote the story, Baldwin uses his clout to ship the script to other companies who will stump up the cash. But in order for them to hand over cash they will also need a producing credit, and some say in how the film is made. If you look at the producing credits there's about 8 names credited, as there's several different production companies who have put in a bit of money in order to get the project off the ground. At some point all these different vested interests get their say and their stamp on the film. They will all want something for the money they're putting in. And this is for a movie whose budget was $8 million, which is pretty small for stuff with gun fights which usually come with expensive armourers and stunt coordinators.
It sounds like they were pulling 18 hour shifts every day, making crew drive 2-3 hours to get to set as well, and the AD is a notoriously chaotic line runner. Often doing stuff he has no right to be doing and making the set a mess.
At this stage Baldwin has *some* say, as an actor, but he's really not putting the money in himself and is producer in name only.
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Post by askew on Oct 25, 2021 10:24:47 GMT
Gotcha
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Post by cubby on Oct 25, 2021 12:33:05 GMT
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Post by Nanocrystal on Oct 31, 2021 9:47:53 GMT
Funny how news media are quite happy to report Baldwin's version of events as fact despite no official findings being reported by investigating authorities as yet. ABC here in Australia has described the incident as "accidental" in its reporting multiple times. BBC likewise and is going a step further and using the word "unknowingly" in its current coverage. This isn't what presumption of innocence means guys. Different treatment for Hollywood actors I guess. Anyone else and it would be "terrorism yet to be ruled out".
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2021 9:49:30 GMT
So you are saying he could have shot her on purpose and knowingly had a live round in the gun?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2021 9:55:05 GMT
The perfect crime.
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Post by Nanocrystal on Oct 31, 2021 9:57:00 GMT
No. It just stood out to me as really bad reporting practise. You're not even supposed to refer to traffic collisions as accidents as it can prejudice insurance and litigation processes.
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Post by cubby on Oct 31, 2021 9:57:04 GMT
Well a lot of the reporting derives from the warrants that have been issued to investigate. Those warrants include details from several witnesses, which corroborate Baldwin's version of events. It's not like the media have only asked Baldwin about it all either, they've asked anyone who's willing or able to talk to find out what happened.
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Post by Nanocrystal on Oct 31, 2021 10:02:41 GMT
You know they'd be using much more sceptical language if this had been Billy Baldwin.
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