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Post by drakeypoos on Nov 16, 2024 10:29:00 GMT
That’s not what I meant here - the ratlings model is twenty odd quid at Element.
I’m out anyway - half fancied a Knight but it’s yet another expense, yet another thing to paint and is basically them getting rid of old stock of the Questoris box.
Hope there’s no drama with the next Killteam set.
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Post by nexus6 on Nov 16, 2024 11:13:56 GMT
That’s not what I meant here - the ratlings model is twenty odd quid at Element. I’m out anyway - half fancied a Knight but it’s yet another expense, yet another thing to paint and is basically them getting rid of old stock of the Questoris box. Hope there’s no drama with the next Killteam set. Misread your post about those and the sisters and thought they were both at 135. Nothing to see here!
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Post by drakeypoos on Nov 16, 2024 11:21:11 GMT
I can see how it happened, not great communication sorry.
Dark Angels are already gone at Warhammer website.
It’s spurred me on to set up to paint anyway.
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Post by Tomo on Nov 16, 2024 11:37:05 GMT
Genuine question - what are you guys talking about? 🤣
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Post by nexus6 on Nov 16, 2024 11:43:08 GMT
Price of the new battle force boxes on non-GW websites at pre-order.
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Post by Tomo on Nov 16, 2024 11:44:16 GMT
What are battle forces? 40K thing?
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Post by drakeypoos on Nov 16, 2024 11:47:02 GMT
Genuine question - what are you guys talking about? 🤣 No problem. Every year there are Xmas Battleforce boxes which theoretically bundle a mix of big/character/infantry models at a discount to buying separate units, for 40K and Age of Sigmar. You’ll also generally get similar sets through the year to tie into the release of Codexes (faction rulebooks) and for example this year said boxes have been released for Dark Angels, Adepta Sororitas (I got that one), Imperial Agents, Blood Angels, Chaos Marines. You’ll sometimes get a couple of different army boxes in these - Imperial Agents got three, Chaos got two. The Ratlings model is a ‘commemorative’ model meaning its primary function is to paint and display. Apologies if any of this is already known no patronising intended. I stopped myself short of explaining to you what a Ratling was at least 😂* *Space hobbit
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Post by Tomo on Nov 16, 2024 11:48:11 GMT
Thx. Bonkers amount of GW content these days!
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Post by drakeypoos on Nov 16, 2024 11:49:50 GMT
Thx. Bonkers amount of GW content these days! Yeah it’s great lol. If the bug sticks with painting Killteams you will find yourself collecting multiple 40K armies and spending hundreds and hundreds of pounds. It’s just a matter of time. This is how they get you.
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Post by knighty on Nov 16, 2024 13:32:14 GMT
The thing with the once a year boxsets is they are limited, and sell out literally within two hours (mostly). The popular ones sometimes sell at in like 5 minutes from going live.
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Post by zephro on Nov 17, 2024 12:07:13 GMT
Specialist Games books are painful to read at the mo. Well Legions Imperialis, their way of writing fluff is just really jarring.
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Post by drakeypoos on Nov 17, 2024 14:22:26 GMT
Specialist Games books are painful to read at the mo. Well Legions Imperialis, their way of writing fluff is just really jarring. I’m sort of collecting the current HH ones, having the core back, the Martian Civil War and have just ordered Beta Garmon - must admit I’ve not had time to sit and read them yet, but they sure are pretty things at least
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Post by zephro on Nov 17, 2024 15:12:50 GMT
Specialist Games books are painful to read at the mo. Well Legions Imperialis, their way of writing fluff is just really jarring. I’m sort of collecting the current HH ones, having the core back, the Martian Civil War and have just ordered Beta Garmon - must admit I’ve not had time to sit and read them yet, but they sure are pretty things at least The 1 10th Edition Codex I have and Old World are fine, much more general background writing. Ditto Blood Bowl, though that works differently as it's all meant to be a sports journal. The Imperialis ones are written in a pseudo military history narrative form. But it mostly reads like a bad sci-fi or fantasy novel. Just a rando example: "Upon the Typhon Causeway, The Taghmata Melgator had ground their way through the Thallax and Ursarax maniples hurled against them, and stood close enough to the Vulkan Gate for the Scintillax and Serperos stalkers at their heart to begin bombarding the vast edifice with fusillades of aetheric energy." Which is quite the fucking sentence. It's just all fucking nouns. There is no description or even a map of Magma City. So the place names are all just random disconnected nouns. Is this the north? The main assault? A side thing? Not a fucking clue. Who the shit is Melgator, it's just a name that pops up occasionally. That's just the total lack of decent scene setting. I take it the Scintillax, Serperos, Thallax and Ursarax are all kinds of Mechanicum robotic things, again there's no description of them first. But they dementedly just add the proper nouns of models they want to sell you so there's just mini lists of kinds of models mid sentence. Gah it's just awful prose with no flow at all. Jervis Johnson/Andy Chambers/Rick Priestly actually could write prose that flowed properly back in the day, it's not Shakespeare or anything but it's readable. Oh and the other thing vs the good old days. You keep going on about a) Magma City, b) an Imperator Titan and c) Ordinatus. Is there a picture of any of these things? Is there fuck because they don't make minis of them. Fucking cowards. Though this complaint is true of 40K codices a lot of the time as well. Let the artists cook ffs.
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Post by drakeypoos on Nov 17, 2024 17:39:42 GMT
zephroI don’t disagree with much of what you say there tbh. The writing style in them *doesn’t* flow nowadays and at times it has made me question whether I’m good at reading or developing an attention deficit thing! The worst offender in my possession is almost certainly the Soul Wars AoS core book. I also find with codexes that it’s just a hype/superlative overload for whatever faction you are reading about. Melgator if I remember rightly was Kelbor-Hal’s 2iC in the Mechanicum novel, reading that or watching a Luetin09 primer might give you a better idea on the Mars stuff. If I remember rightly Melgator was known for maintaining a very human appearance facially even though it was actually a construct face, I could be remembering wrongly there or mistaking him for another character; as even in a well-written BL novel (of which Mechanicum is) there always seems to be approximately 26 characters per chapter to keep account of. And yes dead on with the Imperator thing - and it’s such an iconic thing that it’s stupid they don’t just make one yet - doubtless that will be with the next edition. I will say that if an Imperator ever is released, I will jump on board at that point. Although it doesn’t seem right to not have a Mega Gargant to go up against!
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Post by Blue_Mike on Nov 17, 2024 18:10:01 GMT
Bring back 3rd Edition 40k, 1st Edition Epic 40k and 1st Edition Necromunda, I say.
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Post by Tomo on Nov 17, 2024 18:35:07 GMT
Gah. Spray varnished my Vespids today. Did the drone first and ends up I've over sprayed it. Colour has gone cloudy. Fortunately noticed coverage was prob a bit thick mid-spray so did the others more sparingly and I they are fine. Wouldn't know they were varnished tbh! Citadel Matte really is matte.
Oh well lesson learned.
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Post by zephro on Nov 17, 2024 18:35:40 GMT
drakeypoos yeah I'm dyslexic so just reading this stuff that's nouns, nouns, nouns with no flow, is just aggravating. Constantly having to scan back and forth. I get that I can just whiz off to Lexicanum or read a novel to find out who Blokey McMechface is, but I paid £30 for a book and kind of expect it to be self contained (well plus the main rulebook). It just grates a bit, plus the release models of refusing to put rules for anything that's not on the short term roadmap is annoying, but that's a general thing outside of Old World. I just really miss the books having pictures of stuff you can't buy. Like pictures of Navigators or space ships etc. Made the whole thing feel like a bigger universe. Blue_MikeIf I were to pick editions... Necromunda/Blood Bowl/Old World(it's basically the same as the last edition of WFB) are all in a good place. Epic, I'd go for Epic 40K or Epic Armageddon, they're both great wargames. Imperialis has gone back to 2nd edition Space Marine, which is just a bit too gamey for my taste. I love all the stuff about suppression and black markers. 40K is tricky. Part of me wants to say 2nd, as I miss the mad bollocks. A tank flipping over and crushing a general instantly was always fucking hilarious. Modern 40K is too much like a deck-builder to me, all about synergies and working out stratagems before you even play. Probably due to the competitive scene, but I've always played 40K as a just ram all your models on a board with your mates kinda game. 3rd stream lined things, but retained some totally silly fun things. 4th mostly improved it, but it started to get too sensible. Also the armour modifier rules back then were fucking dumb and made Space Marines real boring. The new ones where vehicles, characters and large monsters are all just big wound counters you chip off are especially annoying. There's no reason to try get back behind a slow vehicle and shoot it up the arse any more. Like the actual moment to moment tactics are gone.
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Post by Zyrr on Nov 17, 2024 19:18:09 GMT
30k still gives vehicles hull points, weapon arcs and armour values for the front/sides/rear as it's basically just a retooling of the 7th edition rule set. I rather like it as a game and, of all the currently available games GW sell, it's probably the only 'full size' wargame that has that classic feel to it (edit: except for The old World, which I'd somehow completely forgotten about while typing this out lol) . The (potential) bad news is that the new edition next year is rumoured to be 'streamlined' to attract a larger audience.
I like LI as well, but my era of Epic was 1st Edition, and this one feels a lot less crunchy than that. I do like the way it flows, though.
And I know I keep banging on about it, but if anyone wants a proper crunchy game that's genuinely still one of my favourites, do yourselves a solid and pick up the Adeptus Titanicus starter box before they kill it entirely.
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Post by drakeypoos on Nov 17, 2024 22:43:41 GMT
Tomo, firstly, bin off spray varnishing as a thing. It’s fraught with difficulties and is very dependent on almost mythical atmospheric conditions. I have heard that a brush of Lahmian Medium (a Citadel product which thins down non-contrast paints) and I’m sure I’ve read Olive Oil can work too for sorting this cloudy varnish thing out. The Lahmian at least should not harm anything. I use a mix of AK Interactive Ultra Matte varnish and Citadel Contrast Medium, brushed on, which takes approximately ten-fifteen seconds per normal sized mini and dries without brush marks and a fantastic texture and consistency. I learned this from Zyrr who I believe learned it from Duncan Rhodes, both hobbyists you can trust lol. Starting with my Killteam stuff, I’ve actually been doing a coat of gloss varnish too, for which I’m using Citadel ‘Ardcoat - as I had some knocking around which I experimented with for wet look brains and lenses (I gave up on that). Again, this is just painted all over the mini, and then the matte mix applied when dry. The matte completely takes away the gloss, but the underlying gloss gives much better protection. Matte varnish gives much better protection than none, and looks best, but gloss is king for protection, so this is a belt and braces approach. You can obviously do either of these in any weather condition too. Serioslusly, I recommend for your own sanity and to not risk your hard work, just put them safely on a shelf whilst you wait for some new stuff to arrive. Get a couple of cheap brushes to do this.
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Post by drakeypoos on Nov 17, 2024 23:05:47 GMT
zephroI used the wrong terminology. It seems we have have different problems. It adjective soup that bothers me in these books, rather than nouns lol. Shit like: ‘Towering, shimmering fortresses descend from ruined, fiery skies, fortified arsenals beyond counting hurling devastating fusillades of purifying, withering fire and promethium-infused munitions, whilst angelic, winged, terrible warriors rain fury and aetheric tongues of psy-charged lightning from glowing azure eye and fingertips, blah blah blah blah.’ Sorry for the terrible writing, but that is the kind of shit I am talking about! Just a jumble of page-filling description masquerading as content, when it’s at its worst.
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Post by ForkHandles on Nov 18, 2024 8:09:09 GMT
So, I'm going to dip my toe into the shallowest end of the airbrush pool - I've asked for a usb airbrush for Christmas in the family secret Santa - it's £34 discounted to £28 on Amazon. Main use will be priming minis, I may do zenithal highlighting too if I get adventurous.
I expect it'll work once then explode, but as it's a present I figure it's worth a try. I'm planning on being very high tech with it too - I've picked the cardboard box I'll be using as my spray booth and everything.
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Post by knighty on Nov 18, 2024 9:00:52 GMT
Woah woah, what’s this? USB airbrush? Does it need a compressor? How does it work?
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Post by ForkHandles on Nov 18, 2024 9:25:22 GMT
Woah woah, what’s this? USB airbrush? Does it need a compressor? How does it work? It's this one:
It's not for doing fancy stuff and will probably not be great, but it's got to be worth it for free via the magic of Christmas, right?
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Post by Zyrr on Nov 18, 2024 10:17:30 GMT
I've got a couple of portable compressors similar to that one and they're fine for quick priming jobs. The included airbrushes are incredibly cheap feeling, but do the job as long as you thin down whatever you're putting through them to minimize clogging. I use them when I just can't be arsed to set up my proper vented spray booth and big compressor for a job that'll take less than 10 minutes - yes, you don't the get the level of control you would with a proper setup, but for getting a layer of Stynylrez on plastic they work just fine once you get the hang of them. Some of these mini compressors even support dual action airbrushes.
Once you get the hang of it, if you want to upgrade your airbrush (and your mini compressor has a standard thread) I'd seriously look at the Gaahleri range on Amazon. I've got some nice airbrushes like Iwata and Harder & Steenbeck, but lately I've picked up a couple of the midrange Gaahleri brushes and honestly they're really good for the money. Big fan of the pistol grip GHAD-98 for priming, but the more conventional CHAC-98D is easily as good as an Iwata Neo and can be regularly picked up on Amazon for around 65 quid. They're a game changer at that price point I reckon.
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Post by oldschoolsavant on Nov 18, 2024 14:34:41 GMT
Woah woah, what’s this? USB airbrush? Does it need a compressor? How does it work? It's this one:
It's not for doing fancy stuff and will probably not be great, but it's got to be worth it for free via the magic of Christmas, right?
You'll find that on Temu at half the price tbh. Has started to become my goto for cheap bits like tools/scrub grass/impulse buys.
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Post by drakeypoos on Nov 18, 2024 17:04:07 GMT
Best thing I ever got off Temu was a brass look Cthulhu bust. Sure it was about £2.99. Would have been about £35 from somewhere like HMV
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Post by knighty on Nov 19, 2024 15:22:20 GMT
Boo, my dark angels box got cancelled. Not to worry as I could do with not spending the money on models I wouldn’t paint for around two years lol. Will have to see if those particular ones come out in a discount box again, m sure they will.
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Post by drakeypoos on Nov 19, 2024 16:47:35 GMT
Boo, my dark angels box got cancelled. Not to worry as I could do with not spending the money on models I wouldn’t paint for around two years lol. Will have to see if those particular ones come out in a discount box again, m sure they will. Did you get the Sisters? And was it Goblin? I thought it was a teeny bit sus that they had all the boxes showing available to pre-order for so long. The shop I got Leviathan from (The Outpost) got majorly stiffed on expected supply back then and cancelled lots of pre-orders. I think the ended up with a third of the stock that they’d requested and were told they were getting. I definitely think GW tries to steer people to their store directly for these boxes and that this is deliberate.
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Post by knighty on Nov 19, 2024 17:56:48 GMT
Nah the dark angels was mighty lancer. Sisters was thru Goblin and that’s fine as far as I know, never had any problems. Their dark angels was sold thru by ten (before so!).
Think the mighty lancer games might have been for in store only or something.
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Post by LegendaryApe on Nov 19, 2024 20:57:26 GMT
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