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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2022 7:29:57 GMT
I loved the hell out of the episode. Weird vespa kids aside, I liked the entire show, to be honest. It's not as good as Mandalorian, sure, but I still found it highly enjoyable overall.
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Post by grandpaulrira on Feb 10, 2022 8:46:34 GMT
I don't know how the production works on these shows, but are all the effects done with little input from the director. Because in all the RR episodes there were some poor effects shots, but the other episodes seemed generally great.
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Post by askew on Feb 10, 2022 9:00:26 GMT
Maybe he asked for more money, which left less for the effects? 🧐
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Post by bindipper3d on Feb 10, 2022 9:09:08 GMT
I have to agree with the majority - the finale and show in general was a real let-down (Mando episodes aside). Letting Robert Rodriguez anywhere near this show was a huge mistake. All his episodes looked cheap, had the worst action direction and clumsily shoehorned in the flourishes he thinks look cool, but actually just look shit (spin shooting FFS). If he's in any way involved in Mando season 3, I'll be gutted. I use to be a fan of Boba Fett, but he's been completely ruined by this show. - Temura Morrison clearly can't act with the helmet on - so we get too many scenes of his stony face and distractingly white teeth. It removes all of the mystique of the character
- Who thought anyone would be interested in seeing Boba quit his day job to become the new major of a town? All the talk of not abandoning his people was utter tripe. He's supposed to be a badass bounty hunter, yet you've got him negotiating peace treaties.
- Boba has IMO one of the most iconic spaceships in movie history - yet he barely gets to fly it apart from in one (admittedly cool) sequence.
Best to draw a line under the whole sorry mess.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2022 9:42:03 GMT
I loved the hell out of the episode. Weird vespa kids aside, I liked the entire show, to be honest. It's not as good as Mandalorian, sure, but I still found it highly enjoyable overall. Same. The series was great all in all and we both came away still loving Boba, but particularly Fennec. The only part that really didn't stick with us was the mods. They didn't look like they belonged there whatsoever, and none of them could act for shit. Even if the vespa things had been more fucked looking, and their clothes more desert worn, it would have worked. As it was... Nah. The rest? Loved it.
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Post by Immaterial on Feb 10, 2022 9:42:30 GMT
Why where long lingering shots of Boba looking haka-fierce at the end of the last battle? the first shot looked excellent with him. When they did it three or four times, with a slightly-too-long close up of him, it just felt weird and cheesy. I hope the All Blacks take note.
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Post by simple on Feb 10, 2022 10:11:59 GMT
I get why Boba appeared interested in replacing Jabba and I get his connection with the Tuskens but I’m not sure how that translates into going straight and wanting to be the mayor. Or why the people in the town are his people.
I think if his motivation was clearer a lot of the other stuff could continue unchanged without any issue. Thinking back over it thats the bigger issue for me, the disjointed storytelling.
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Post by EMarkM on Feb 10, 2022 10:23:42 GMT
I get why Boba appeared interested in replacing Jabba and I get his connection with the Tuskens but I’m not sure how that translates into going straight and wanting to be the mayor. Or why the people in the town are his people. I think if his motivation was clearer a lot of the other stuff could continue unchanged without any issue. Thinking back over it thats the bigger issue for me, the disjointed storytelling. See? I SAID he wanted to be mayor! Honestly, I completely agree with what you have written here. However, I think that the traditional Star Wars Rule applies - you just have to accept or assume certain things in order to enjoy it. Maybe it's because I watch it with our ten year old but, honestly, I do not find it difficult to suspend disbelief and curiosity a little, and just sit back and enjoy it.
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Post by Reviewer on Feb 10, 2022 10:38:46 GMT
Apart from Boba being shit and the first 4 episodes being a waste of time, Boba had no good reason/motivation behind taking over.
The last episode was ok, I did think the bad guys needed more people to turn up if it was some major attack rather than just send in a couple of scary robots.
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Post by Lurker on Feb 10, 2022 10:45:42 GMT
However, I think that the traditional Star Wars Rule applies - you just have to accept or assume certain things in order to enjoy it. My thoughts too. I've enjoyed Boba for what it is, I'm not sure what people are expecting, this is just Star Wars being Star Wars!
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Post by britesparc on Feb 10, 2022 10:46:12 GMT
I never had any issues whatsoever with the acting. Star Wars is often quite arch, it's not uncommon for even very good actors to turn in stilted performances; that being said, all Morrison had to do was glower a little bit and say things in a slightly badass way, which he did, and I still really love the way he pronounces "Tatooine". All the weird stuff - the mods, for instance - I can just absorb because Star Wars is odd. I mean, if I'm being honest, I thought Cad Bane was much worse in terms of being a Western character shoved into a sci-fi universe. Also found him intensely unthreatening, freaky face aside; don't see why two heavily-armoured Mandalorians couldn't make short work of him, but that's the sort of thing you just have to hand-wave away in Star Wars.
I think the only real issue - and I suppose it could be a big one - is the structure of the series as a whole. I don't think we ever had a kind of Damascene moment where Fett suddenly realises he needs to overthrow the bosses and take charge; the weight of flashback-to-current was way off; and there were too many scenes of him just wandering the streets or talking in the same couple of rooms. The Mando stuff was a highlight, partly because it was a bit flightier and zippier, but also because we got to do new things and see new people. But that brought its own issues, because all of a sudden it became season 2.5 of Mando, in a way that I think shortchanges fans of both The Mandalorian and The Book of Boba Fett. Fett's show has its momentum cut out from under it, and we're reminded that Fett himself is the less interesting Mandalorian; and suddenly the emotional end of Mando 2 and the presumed arc of Mando 3 is hand-waved away in an episode and a half.
Having said all that, I still really, really enjoyed it. The finale had me giggling like a kid. I can't wait for Mando 3. It was pure fun from beginning to end. I just think, after two incredibly sure seasons of Mando, it was weird to see this one so disjointed and unfocused. But, hey: Star Wars.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2022 11:00:16 GMT
It was the last couple of minutes with Grogu tapping on the glass with his little metal ball Mando saved from the Razor Crest, wanting to go faster that was just the icing on the cake. Loved it.
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Post by Gruf on Feb 10, 2022 11:12:12 GMT
A mate described it as a pensioner that likes taking baths, made me chuckle at least
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Post by EMarkM on Feb 10, 2022 11:19:38 GMT
It was the last couple of minutes with Grogu tapping on the glass with his little metal ball Mando saved from the Razor Crest, wanting to go faster that was just the icing on the cake. Loved it. Wizard
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Post by clemfandango on Feb 10, 2022 13:45:02 GMT
I've finished it. Very hard to review as it had some sublime moments but my word the RR episodes had some absolute dross in them. The special effects on the scorpo droids in the final episode were sci fi channel level bad and the whole episode came across really cheaply made, which I can only put down to RR spy kidding it to death. I agree with all the negative comments in here but I still enjoyed it a lot, which is the same paradox I think a lot of people have with it. I'd watch another season quite gladly but I hope they get rid of Rodriguez
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Post by simple on Feb 10, 2022 14:18:08 GMT
If I were the Pykes I’d want a refund on those droids too. They were huge walking death cannons and they couldn’t take out some farmers hiding behind a mud wall?
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Post by EMarkM on Feb 10, 2022 14:24:28 GMT
If I were the Pykes I’d want a refund on those droids too. They were huge walking death cannons and they couldn’t take out some farmers hiding behind a mud wall? TECHNOGEL mud, I’ll remind you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2022 14:29:30 GMT
They were shit. I squared it up in my head by deciding that they were designed more for taking out large stationery gun emplacements and slow moving artillery / logistical vehicles, and therefore had trouble targeting the little people but not the rancor. They killed a couple of goodies at least but yeah. Maybe they were defective and the Pykes got them cheap.
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Post by gamingdave on Feb 10, 2022 14:48:30 GMT
Now it's all complete, as a whole it wasn't a patch on The Mandalorian. The best bits by far were EPs 5 and 6, which basically were the Mandalorian in all but name. I have no problem with Morrison's portrayal, and enjoyed the Tuscan flashbacks, but ultimately that had so little to do with the rest of the series it just seems like filler.
It was just a bit of a mess. Pacing was all off, Boba had no real purpose or drive, and it was generally uninteresting.
The last episode had it's moments, but really, the Mods were just shit from the moment they arrived. They looked shit, their "scooters" looked shit, they were badly acted and their backstory made no sense (skint, no jobs, but fancy bikes and implants).
Those battle droids were useless, could shoot in the air, but not at a target 20m away on the ground. Sure we are used to bad aiming in Star Wars, but considering how long that battle lasted they should have been far more affective. And when the first arrive on the scene, they have their shields down and "our heros" just stare at them for 10 seconds, only firing when the shields go up.
It did smack a bit or Rodriguez's Spy Kids formula/style, but I don't think it's fair to lay all the blame on his shoulders. He only directed, Favreau wrote the whole series and it would all have been planed and storyboarded before they shot any of it. RR did shoot the best episode of Mando too.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2022 15:17:32 GMT
I get why Boba appeared interested in replacing Jabba and I get his connection with the Tuskens but I’m not sure how that translates into going straight and wanting to be the mayor. Or why the people in the town are his people. I think if his motivation was clearer a lot of the other stuff could continue unchanged without any issue. Thinking back over it thats the bigger issue for me, the disjointed storytelling. See? I SAID he wanted to be mayor! Honestly, I completely agree with what you have written here. However, I think that the traditional Star Wars Rule applies - you just have to accept or assume certain things in order to enjoy it. Maybe it's because I watch it with our ten year old but, honestly, I do not find it difficult to suspend disbelief and curiosity a little, and just sit back and enjoy it. Yeah, I called the mayor thing early on in this thread too. It's a much more powerful and even apparently feared position in this town, but wunty mentioned he wouldn't get a cool rancor pit and of course I conceded. Speaking of, RANCOR!! Oh man, watching it tear apart those scorpion droids and eating the Pikes was the best part of the episode. That and Fennec ninja assassinating the room of crime bosses Most everyone's already seen the episode here, but just in case.
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Post by Lukus on Feb 10, 2022 15:19:10 GMT
SPOILERS FOLLOW
I've got very mixed feelings on this. It's completely all over the place in terms of what works and what doesn't but it's not as bad as I thought it was going to be based on early opinions in this thread.
I didn't think it looked any worse than The Mandalorian either. If anything it was more impressive over all (though I am watching on a bog standard 1080p telly without any HDR bells and whistles, so perhaps that's a factor).
The story is mostly bobbins and just a retelling of about a hundred cowboy films that have gone before it.
Fett managing to run a town with a gang of about four people was pretty stupid. Even when he swelled his ranks to a mighty 12 people it was dumb as fuck.
The mods on Vespas in Espa felt completely out of place in terms of design and character. The actors were also shite.
The mechanic woman with the perm was awful and not at all funny.
I enjoyed the Toast of Tinseltown in joke.
The episode with the Mandalorian and his bros was good, but their religion (or whatever) is stupid and annoying. This is the way.
The guy playing Fett doesn't look or sound right.
The Luke CGI/deepfake was quite impressive, but still not amazing. The voice, similarly so. It kind of undermined the ending or even the entire point of The Mandalorian with baby Yoda just turning up again in his mythrill vest but I guess they know he's a popular character.
If I was a kid I'd probably have loved this. And I guess that's the point.
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Post by simple on Feb 10, 2022 15:25:03 GMT
I didn’t have issues with any of the special effects
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Post by Lukus on Feb 10, 2022 15:34:23 GMT
Oh and I liked the giant wookie.
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Post by lexw on Feb 10, 2022 15:36:44 GMT
If I were the Pykes I’d want a refund on those droids too. They were huge walking death cannons and they couldn’t take out some farmers hiding behind a mud wall? Tbf this basically is how everything involving battle droids in SW plays out. Even the scary Dark Troopers in Mando S2 were pretty ineffectual, probably less effective than some men with guns in armour and jetpacks. But yeah. Never bet on battle droid.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2022 15:36:47 GMT
Technically the special effects were fine, it was the framing and way it was shot that made it look like shit a lot of the time. The difference between the Rodriguez episodes and the others was pretty stark and it's all down to his shitty "style".
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Post by Lukus on Feb 10, 2022 15:38:10 GMT
Oh, yeah that's fair. I didn't pay attention to who directed what but some episodes definitely felt more competent than others.
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Post by brokenkey on Feb 10, 2022 15:51:50 GMT
The rubber-banding between the robots and the people running away was excellent. I would have sworn the people were running away faster, but maybe the robots had a droideka rolly mode they were unable to show us.
Other continunity problems, Blackbacca hiding behind a wall, robot goes past, next scene, he's running away from the robot again.
Last robot at the end grows his gun arm back again in a very quick shot just before being pinned to the ground.
Blackbacca simulating injury by pulling his costume foot down a bit and pretending his legs broken, only to pull it up again later and "run" away normally.
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Post by Nemesis on Feb 10, 2022 16:51:49 GMT
I’d buy the book of the closing credits art they put up every week; just superb.
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Post by EMarkM on Feb 10, 2022 16:57:54 GMT
I’d buy the book of the closing credits art they put up every week; just superb. It is, we talk about it here every week
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Post by Nemesis on Feb 10, 2022 17:06:43 GMT
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