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Post by Flying Pig on Dec 16, 2021 21:22:45 GMT
And done! \o/
It took me an age to get him to his 2nd phase (I just couldn't get the timing on the QTE right) and a fair few more goes to get used to his moves, but once he was in his final phase it was only really going to end one way!
Brilliant game. Not the best Metroid, but a quality game.
Finish time was something like 11:02 with 85%ish of items
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Post by torb on Dec 17, 2021 10:03:50 GMT
Well done beating that last boss! I gave it a few shakes, then looked up how many phases he has and then put the game down. I enjoyed the game, I kept wanting to go back to it despite my issues with hidden critical paths. Perhaps I’ll even check out some other Metroids
Edit: checking my save I’m on 59% items 11:40 playtime. Well worth the time spent
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Post by Flying Pig on Dec 17, 2021 11:41:13 GMT
Well done beating that last boss! I gave it a few shakes, then looked up how many phases he has and then put the game down. I enjoyed the game, I kept wanting to go back to it despite my issues with hidden critical paths. Perhaps I’ll even check out some other Metroids Edit: checking my save I’m on 59% items 11:40 playtime. Well worth the time spent Seriously - you should give it another go. Once you learn his attack patterns it's not that hard. I can now get through his first phase on full health and missiles - the 2nd phase was harder for me, but only took 3 or 4 attempts before I got to his final phase which was all I needed 😁 |
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Post by dfunked on Dec 17, 2021 11:52:10 GMT
Yeah, the second phase is the really annoying one. If you can start getting past that comfortably with enough health you're well on the way.
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Post by Duffking on Dec 17, 2021 11:52:44 GMT
I thought the second phase was the easiest haha. Takes a little while but just space jumping around him in circles was a cinch.
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Post by snackplissken on Dec 17, 2021 21:09:58 GMT
I’m close to giving up.. reminds me of the 8 Valkyries on God of War that I eventually defeated. Not sure I can be bothered.
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Post by Phattso on Dec 17, 2021 21:17:16 GMT
Yeah, it’s not like the stain on your soul will be visible to anyone else anyway. Jack it in. Run. Run like the cowardly custard we always knew you were!
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Post by torb on Dec 17, 2021 22:25:02 GMT
I let it gooooo and spent the time finishing Demons Souls instead - recommended!
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Post by dfunked on Dec 17, 2021 22:40:04 GMT
Raven Beak flexes his rippling muscles and scoffs at your puny attempt. It's not like you ever had a chance to begin with.
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Post by snackplissken on Dec 19, 2021 14:53:51 GMT
Just can’t do that second phase. Looked on YouTube multiple times… just pissing me right off
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Post by snackplissken on Dec 19, 2021 15:54:38 GMT
At last I’ve done it. What a twat boss. 10:16 with 48% items.
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Post by Phattso on Dec 19, 2021 16:14:21 GMT
With so few items collected, you made that far harder on yourself than you needed to! If you'd spent literally half the time you banged your head against the boss simply hoovering up more upgrades, you'd have pissed it. Grats on reaching the end - hope you haven't snapped the cart.  |
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Post by Phattso on Dec 19, 2021 16:15:12 GMT
(I recall Nick "Joe Middleclass" The Gun suffering a similar fate and having a similarly poor experience)
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Post by snackplissken on Dec 19, 2021 20:51:17 GMT
With so few items collected, you made that far harder on yourself than you needed to! If you'd spent literally half the time you banged your head against the boss simply hoovering up more upgrades, you'd have pissed it. Grats on reaching the end - hope you haven't snapped the cart. I had tonnes of missiles (120 something). The first phase is easy, then the second one i managed to finally figure out..then the third was just a bit of luck. |
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Dec 19, 2021 21:06:29 GMT
(I recall Nick "Joe Middleclass" The Gun suffering a similar fate and having a similarly poor experience) I think I finished the boss comparatively ok (I think it took like 10-15 attempts) but, yes, it would have been easier with more health (and, yes, by the final boss, I'd pretty much had my fill) |
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Post by dangerousdave on Dec 19, 2021 22:57:58 GMT
Isn't the the third phase almost identical to the first? Also, infinite health and ammo from those projectiles. You can just take a step back and refill during those phases when you got low.
I'm not saying it's a great boss, but its a pretty forgiving one if you have patience. Lots of time between moves. Easy to read moves. Etc...
Its not on par with any of the Hollow Knight bosses that just get on with their crazy, deadly movement patterns without any reprieve.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Dec 19, 2021 23:40:16 GMT
Its not on par with any of the Hollow Knight bosses that just get on with their crazy, deadly movement patterns without any reprieve. I tend to find those kind of bosses easier as you can into a rhythm rather than waiting for attacks. The Nameless King (Dark Souls 3) is like that - just constant attacking and dodging. Love that fight, and never found him too difficult |
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Post by snackplissken on Dec 20, 2021 9:41:01 GMT
I think I had an easier time with Demon’s Souls/Dark Souls/Bloodbourne series then I did with some of the bosses on this.
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Post by snackplissken on Dec 20, 2021 9:44:21 GMT
And I probably know why because in DS series you spend a lot of the time learning patterns and movements throughout the game. In Metroid you’re just dumped into a boss and go yeah learn the pattern.
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Post by BurnoutJunkie on Dec 22, 2021 11:38:45 GMT
I think I had an easier time with Demon’s Souls/Dark Souls/Bloodbourne series then I did with some of the bosses on this. Really? I've never had any interest in any of the Souls games but from everything I've heard, they're supposed ot be super-hard. I always imagined they'd be much harder than Metroid. |
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Post by Aunt Alison on Dec 22, 2021 11:42:48 GMT
They're not that hard. Really. They just require a certain set of skills which you'll gain from patience and familiarity. I wouldn't be put off by that particular reputation
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Dec 22, 2021 11:46:54 GMT
Fwiw, the last metroid boss took more goes to complete than any boss in a souls game other than maybe the Dragon God in Demons Souls and thats only because it OHKs you like a wanker.
Souls games give you a bit more leeway in the pattern recognition and more options to defeat it. Metroid Dread is more 'do this exactly or die'.
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Post by Phattso on Dec 22, 2021 12:49:07 GMT
Fwiw, the last metroid boss took more goes to complete than any boss in a souls game other than maybe the Dragon God in Demons Souls and thats only because it OHKs you like a wanker. In fairness, I don't think this is most people's experience of either series.  I spent, very literally, a couple of hours a day for a week trying to beat one boss in Sekiro (fuck you, Ape!). And I don't think I ever actually killed one in Dark Souls, because the rank and file fucked me up too much and I bounced off it. But Metroid Dread's final boss was done in an evening. I really think the challenge is proportional to the amount of health you've upgraded. I had buckets of the stuff, which made learning the phases (and you're right, it's a specific memorisation problem) relatively straightforward. The game should either signpost this more clearly, or make more of the health upgrades unmissable. |
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Post by dangerousdave on Dec 22, 2021 13:43:25 GMT
I'd say Dread tests your reflexes way more than Dark Souls does. Or at least your ability to chain movements together quite quickly.
But yeah, I found Dark Souls harder, for sure. It's so much slower that I generally lost my patience with it at times.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Dec 22, 2021 14:35:23 GMT
Overall, Souls games are more difficult, obviously. I dont think I died once in open play outside of EMMI and Boss fights (other than trying to leroy jenkins through hot zones) but that certainly isnt true of DS.
And, yes, the metroid bosses are also a bit of a test of patience, something I obviously lack and probably the reason I found them a bit annoying. Thats not to say I found them massively difficult, I'm too butch for that. I still did almost all of them within a few attempts.
The second phase of the second phase of the last boss, for example, where you have to use the multi-jump to circle around him was fine in theory, I just found the jump mechanic itself a little inconsistent/I never really got the timing down, so that really cost me on a few goes at it.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Dec 22, 2021 16:54:55 GMT
Fwiw, the last metroid boss took more goes to complete than any boss in a souls game other than maybe the Dragon God in Demons Souls and thats only because it OHKs you like a wanker. In fairness, I don't think this is most people's experience of either series. I spent, very literally, a couple of hours a day for a week trying to beat one boss in Sekiro (fuck you, Ape!). And I don't think I ever actually killed one in Dark Souls, because the rank and file fucked me up too much and I bounced off it. But Metroid Dread's final boss was done in an evening. I really think the challenge is proportional to the amount of health you've upgraded. I had buckets of the stuff, which made learning the phases (and you're right, it's a specific memorisation problem) relatively straightforward. The game should either signpost this more clearly, or make more of the health upgrades unmissable. Sekiro is much harder than Dark Souls. I would imagine you'd find DS quite a bit easier after making some progress in the former
I don't think DS is all that difficult due to the fact they're typically quite slow methodical games. You almost always fight enemies one on on, so you don't have to worry about enemy composition, prioritising targets, getting attacked from multiple angles, etc. In terms of third person action games that set out to offer a challenge, there are way harder ones. I'd say DS is one of the most accessible, especially as there are plenty of ways to make it easier without the game penalising you in any way
I'm not saying the games aren't great (they are) but I really do think the reputation for difficulty does them a disservice in terms of putting people off trying them
As for Metroid Dread, I don't remember finding anything particularly frustrating. To the point where I can barely remember the bosses, certainly not patterns or anything. Someone said something about being able to attack a boss's legs and I vaguely remember that but it seemed like a pretty natural think to do. I think it comes down to how often you play 2D action games. I wouldn't say Metroid Dread is particularly difficult in the wider picture
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Post by damagedinc on Dec 22, 2021 17:12:41 GMT
Im coming to the end of dread now and I have to say nothing here has given me as much trouble as hollow knight or dark souls.
Or even salt and sanctuary, those boss fights took me tens if not hundreds if attempts. Done most dread bosses within 3-5 attempts.
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Post by torb on Dec 23, 2021 1:27:58 GMT
I think I had an easier time with Demon’s Souls/Dark Souls/Bloodbourne series then I did with some of the bosses on this. Really? I've never had any interest in any of the Souls games but from everything I've heard, they're supposed ot be super-hard. I always imagined they'd be much harder than Metroid. I thought they were super hard, and well, they are hard. But I found there is sooo much leeway in how to get through almost anything (summons, cheese, online guides), or skip things you find to hard or can't be arsed to learn (optional bosses). I'd really recommend playing the Dark Souls remake to get a feel of what this series is. And don't be afraid to go in guides heavy if it feels intimidating, even though people will tell you absolutely not to do that. I thought they were not for me for 10 years, then turned out, they were. |
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Post by snackplissken on Dec 23, 2021 9:10:26 GMT
Yeah you have a lot more time in the Souls games to get out of trouble. Bloodborne flipped that and I struggled initially but you still had loads of time to figure out what works and what doesn't.
Me personally I don't feel Dread gave you much build up to properly learn every mechanic, which is why I struggled. Like the Shinespark boosting up.. either I missed it or I didn't read the blurb enough.
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Post by torb on Dec 23, 2021 22:32:01 GMT
Dread controls are way more involved than DS. DS is block, hit, roll and that’s basically it.
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