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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2022 11:36:18 GMT
EMarkM well, if you have any availability over the next month ago I might give you a shout? I've got a couple of potential submissions shaping up and wouldn't mind knowing they're decent in that they don't look as though they're written by a moron. Paid, obvs, I wouldn't be looking for some kind of forum discount as it disrespects your time. I'll maybe fire you a PM in the next wee while and see what's what, if you think you might be interested? Or not. Don't worry if you're too busy / not interested!
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Post by EMarkM on Jan 28, 2022 12:29:58 GMT
@wuntyate Definitely interested! I’ll wait to hear more; we can certainly come to an arrangement beneficial to all
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Post by drhickman1983 on Jan 28, 2022 12:36:14 GMT
I've tried writing in the past but found it very hard to get anywhere. I think I have some interesting enough (if possibly derivative) ideas for settings, worlds, overarching concepts and key moments, but totally fail at inhabiting characters.
Even if I have a clear idea of what the character is like I just find they end up being a bit dull when trying to convey them onto paper.
I should give it another bash for fun I suppose.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2022 12:44:34 GMT
EMarkM Awesome man. I'll fire you a PM in a few weeks, see what state I get to! I had a good look at Scrivener last night and this morning. Shit. Where's it been all my life. I think it's going to be fantastic. drhickman1983 Just do it man. I think Iain Banks said that you need to write a million words before one of them is any good. I'm stay aways off but it doesn't stop me. I don't think I've written anything yet that's NOT completely derivative. I like characters though, and conversations. I can lose myself in pages if there's some dialogue going on, they just never seem to want to shut the fuck up. I'm not too hot on the descriptive but I can also get bogged down in my characters internal monologue and their memories if I'm not careful. Just do it. Try it. Try everything. Why the fuck not.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Jan 28, 2022 12:47:18 GMT
@wuntyate Cheers I actually had an idea for a narrative that has a very small number of characters, so that will take away the issue of trying to make them seen different to each other
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2022 12:53:45 GMT
Thing is, you don't even NEED to worry too much about that early on. That's what a frist draft is for. Hammer that shit out later. You can always end up erasing / combining / adding characters later on to suit. You soon notice if there's anyone superfluous there or if someones actions should be done by someone else.
The novel I've nearly finished, that I started in 2013 and is now up to a rather fucking stupid 260,000 words has whole subplots I'm going to shove under the rug when it comes to my second draft. I've got another novel at around the 180,000 mark that I'll be doing the same thing with.
Now, thanks to Scrivener*, I'm not actually dreading the first revision.
(*I'm not sponsored by Scrivener)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2022 12:55:57 GMT
In fact, rewriting and editing is as much fun as writing in the first place. I do it on a much smaller scale with my lyrics. I end up writing the songs out about 10 - 15 times, making slight changes each time. Changing a line here, a word there, til it's perfect. That's the best thing about anything creative. It's not finished until you say it is.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2022 12:56:57 GMT
Although, as EMarkM may find out later this year, even when my stuff is finished, it's far from perfect...
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Post by EMarkM on Jan 28, 2022 14:16:48 GMT
Heh! Scrivener is good. I won’t mention Ulysses…oop, just did. (Similar sort of thing, I think just for Apple, also good.)
I use Apple Pages for most things, Google Docs and Office 365 if the client requires it.
Good luck all!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2022 14:25:38 GMT
Ah yeah I did look at Ulysses as well, it was a toss up between that and Scrivener but the latter seems to be more suited for the way I work, I hope. Soon find out!
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Post by Sarfrin on Jan 28, 2022 20:12:47 GMT
Various, but my two main sources of income are copywriting (so marketing text for websites, emails, fliers, etc.) and proofreading/editing. I really enjoy it! I feel like I have the skills to do this but I'm not sure about finding the work. What's it like to get into? I've seen lots of adverts for courses about that but they always seem a bit scammy.
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Post by EMarkM on Jan 28, 2022 21:04:20 GMT
Sarfrin Honestly, don’t pay for any courses! Get reading a few decent books on marketing - start with Whipple and go on from there. Read The Boron Letters free online too. To make a proper start, read good and bad copy everyday. Try your hand at improving upon what you have read. Learn to apply AIDA. If you already work for a company, see whom you can talk to there to either assist an existing team or start one as a sideline. See if positions become available at writing organisations near you. Try registering on Fiverr when you’ve done all that. I get some of my more interesting projects through there. Above all, write EVERY DAY for at least a month and see if it suits you. Feel free to ask any questions, and good luck!
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Post by Sarfrin on Jan 29, 2022 0:03:26 GMT
Sarfrin Honestly, don’t pay for any courses! Get reading a few decent books on marketing - start with Whipple and go on from there. Read The Boron Letters free online too. To make a proper start, read good and bad copy everyday. Try your hand at improving upon what you have read. Learn to apply AIDA. If you already work for a company, see whom you can talk to there to either assist an existing team or start one as a sideline. See if positions become available at writing organisations near you. Try registering on Fiverr when you’ve done all that. I get some of my more interesting projects through there. Above all, write EVERY DAY for at least a month and see if it suits you. Feel free to ask any questions, and good luck! Thanks! Lots of things to get started on there.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2022 11:58:23 GMT
Completed 400 miles of my 1,000 mile charity run. Slightly slowed by my body fighting off COVID's best efforts for the last week. Also doing a Mindfulness course and a course for my anxiety. My violin is still dusty however. Oh and the main set book for the Open University's Creative Writing Course is Creative Writing Book If you get and work through that, you'll have done the majority of their course (obviously without the TMA's or feedback).
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Post by EMarkM on Jan 29, 2022 12:27:16 GMT
Get that violin out!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2022 9:29:53 GMT
So this course I'm doing has taken a side-step into genetic disorders and looking at genes and all that shit. I'm not going to pretend I understand it all but it's bloody interesting.
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Post by rawshark on Feb 2, 2022 13:45:12 GMT
I got through Dry January without any slip ups. Wooo! What’s more, I didn’t even celebrate with the traditional four pints on Feb 1st. I had one beer and it was beautiful.
I had a blood test taken yesterday - primarily to monitor my thyroid -which should also give me some idea of how much difference a month off booze makes to liver and cholesterol etc. I get results back in about a week so it should be interesting.
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Post by Psychotext on Feb 2, 2022 19:27:16 GMT
Made fuck all difference for me, which was a huge disappointment (and largely why I haven't bothered since).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2022 10:14:36 GMT
Well, finished week 3 of this course. Still enjoying it and learning a great deal. It was all about genetic disorders and it was quite the eye opener. What's funny is the more pathology and physiology I learn with this, the more I start to recall all the shit I'd learned and then forgotten about for my degree all those years ago.
Got my prospectus through for OU as well for Psychology so going to have another look through that later as it's still an option I think, although I really do need to look more into funding.
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Post by Lurker on Feb 4, 2022 10:34:12 GMT
I almost did Dry January, I failed on the 31st and hit the wine (I had a rough January working ridiculous hours so I'm surprised I didn't crack before then).
"They say" you feel amazing if you don't drink and leap out of bed every day full of life, but I actually feel 10x worse than when I drink as I couldn't sleep (my brain wouldn't switch off). I'm not sure it was worth it, but maybe there are hidden benefits I can't see but I'm really not convinced.
I'll contemplate doing another month dry whilst sipping some wine later.
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Post by rawshark on Feb 4, 2022 11:14:32 GMT
I almost did Dry January, I failed on the 31st and hit the wine (I had a rough January working ridiculous hours so I'm surprised I didn't crack before then). "They say" you feel amazing if you don't drink and leap out of bed every day full of life, but I actually feel 10x worse than when I drink as I couldn't sleep (my brain wouldn't switch off). I'm not sure it was worth it, but maybe there are hidden benefits I can't see but I'm really not convinced. I'll contemplate doing another month dry whilst sipping some wine later. Firstly I don't think you should feel bad for having a drink on the last day. That's still basically a month's break and one day won't make a difference overall. And yes, I know what you mean. Every time I make an effort to stop drinking I always hope it's going to be a silver bullet that fixes everything. The sun will shine a little brighter, I'll be enthusiastic and productive at work, I'll lose loads of weight and look like I'm 25 again - it'll turn out all the irritations and drawbacks I encounter were directly because of alcohol and I won't miss it at all. But of course that's not the case. It actually makes little noticeable difference and you have to go through all the discomfort of the sleepless nights and long, boring evenings. And when you do drink again you get wicked hangovers (I had two whiskeys last night before bed - cracking headache this morning). So I guess the way forward for me is moderation?
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Post by zephro on Feb 4, 2022 12:16:08 GMT
With the exception of smoking, moderation is usually best I think. Even then when I quit smoking I barely noticed much physical health difference except my anxiety was fucking way worse to control. For everything else in life going full never touch it, it's all just a bit too puritanical for my tastes. Stuff is good or evil and nothing in between. Don't think it leads to a healthy outlook on life, even if you live longer you'll be fucking miserable and annoy the fuck out of your friends.
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Post by Lurker on Feb 4, 2022 13:08:20 GMT
Yeah, good points, you're both right regarding moderation.
I think I've broke the cycle as I haven't drank again since Monday and having almost a month off is the longest I've gone in years so it's a good start. It would be good to get some sleep though, I guess I need to be a bit more patient and look at other ways to fix that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2022 17:39:35 GMT
If you can do moderation, then it can have benefits (the social aspect of a drink has benefits on stress and mental health). However, there's not really any benefits to the body from having a drink. Its a poison after all and it damages every organ in the body. You do feel bad when you quit and that bad feeling lasts a long time as your mind and body adjust to no longer having the thing they are addicted to. The sleep that you get when drinking is not good sleep (your brain wave activity is screwed), but I get how it feels that its better to be comatose than up staring at the ceiling. As for anxiety, thats how I got hooked on alcohol. I am shy and that at 18 and in the military wasn't a great combination so I had to drink (every other bugger was drinking to excess, so it wasn't something you could avoid anyway). I've quit and feel (and look) better for it, but my anxiety hasn't gone away, especially as my only coping mechanism for decades was reaching for a drink and hiding behind that. Each time I tried moderating, after a few months I was back to square one. But if you can, then its a hell of a lot better than drinking to excess. If you do want to quit again, expect to feel pretty garbage for about 6 months depending on how much you drink. I'd keep a journal of how you feel drinking and how you feel sobering up. Then you can look back and think "actually, I was worse than I remember" or "yeah, I am seeing improvements, albeit slow". But don't think you can quit an addictive drug and that you'll feel better straight away. Really well done for having a month off though, that's a great achievement. Those first couple of weeks used to kill me!
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Post by Lurker on Feb 7, 2022 9:56:59 GMT
Thanks, you're right about the "drink-sleep", it's not really real, but it was better than zero sleep (like you say I guess I've screwed my body up that bad I need longer to adjust).
I am going to take the rest of Feb off & probably aim for Easter after that as my attempt at moderation Friday & Saturday didn't work at all. I honestly thought I'd automatically drink less after a break as I assumed my tolerance would've been "reset" but it had no effect.
I have a feeling 6 months is probably about right to feel "better" (or maybe more?), I'm not sure I can go that long which in itself suggests I should do.
Anyway, perhaps I should start an AA thread rather than shit this one up!
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Post by grey_matters on Feb 7, 2022 11:01:29 GMT
Thanks, you're right about the "drink-sleep", it's not really real, but it was better than zero sleep (like you say I guess I've screwed my body up that bad I need longer to adjust). I am going to take the rest of Feb off & probably aim for Easter after that as my attempt at moderation Friday & Saturday didn't work at all. I honestly thought I'd automatically drink less after a break as I assumed my tolerance would've been "reset" but it had no effect. I have a feeling 6 months is probably about right to feel "better" (or maybe more?), I'm not sure I can go that long which in itself suggests I should do. Anyway, perhaps I should start an AA thread rather than shit this one up! fontgeek.io/thread/127/drinking-threadThere kinda is one.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2022 11:05:28 GMT
It took me a couple of years before the pull of alcohol was gone (though its still there if I think about it). By 6 months I was mostly clear of the desire to drink, but Christmas was a struggle (it seemed so boring). It takes a while for your body to adjust to not having a pleasure enhancing drug going through it to make "events" that much "better". As a consequence, at first, life can seem a bit gray and dull. It takes a while for the receptors in your brain to readjust to lower levels of seretonin and the new normal. I'm not sure the brain ever fully recovers as once an alcoholic always and alcoholic seems to be the case (I am not sure this is indeed the case, just it seems to be in my limited experience). I think once your body has shaken off most of the addiction, you can start working on coping mechanisms for whatever it was that got you into the drink in the first place (in my case it was anxiety). I'm very much a work in progress after 6 years off alcohol, but I'm at least improving rather than getting worse. I look old these days, but I'd dread to think what I would look like if I was still drinking. My view is that I was drinking alcohol for 30 years, so can't expect all the bad it did to be undone in a hurry. My brain has spent longer immersed in the stuff than it has without. As for moderation, I once quit for 18 months and thoguht "yeah I got this" and I started moderating. I was back to where I used to be (if not worse) within 6 months. It was only when I realised that I could never drink again that I was able to quit properly without any lingering regret. I figured I'd drunk for half my life and had realised that my life wasn't all that great with the stuff, so I should try life without it. I would say that without a doubt I prefer life without alcohol. I have far more money, I no longer have hangovers, I can drive whenever I want, I am working on my problems (not drowning them). It helps that I'm married to someone who doesn't drink any more either. Quitting with someone who did drink heavily was the end of that relationship. Its not all sugar and rainbows when you quit. I had intense cravings initially and when those went, life seemed very grey and I felt very exposed / naked. Meeting people without that liquid buffer was hard and I go out much less now than I did and I have less "friends" (aka randoms I could get drunk with and talk about stuff that a sober me would find mind numbing). My anxiety seemed worse and I noticed other things because I no longer hid in drink and had to face them. I would however rather be facing things and screwing up than not. At least I am learning and I am learning to accept "me". Oh and I went into a cafe this weekend and really enjoyed it. Who knew that could be possible?
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Post by Psychotext on Feb 7, 2022 11:26:59 GMT
"They say" you feel amazing if you don't drink and leap out of bed every day full of life, but I actually feel 10x worse than when I drink as I couldn't sleep (my brain wouldn't switch off). I'm not sure it was worth it, but maybe there are hidden benefits I can't see but I'm really not convinced. I regularly do months without alcohol, makes fuck all difference to how I'm feeling / functioning, but I assume it's best to do it from time to time just to give my liver a chance to recover. That said, I don't tend to notice much difference in my bloodwork from it, but I guess that'll change as I get older.
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Post by Lurker on Feb 8, 2022 9:21:23 GMT
Thanks, I think I'll resurrect that one. My view is that I was drinking alcohol for 30 years, so can't expect all the bad it did to be undone in a hurry. My brain has spent longer immersed in the stuff than it has without. The 30 year thing has just made me realise it's roughly the same for me as I'm struggling to recall any length of time with a break, which is pretty bad when you think about it. It's good to read about your experiences. 6 years off alcohol is impressive and it sounds like you've been through a lot to get there. Even the original 18 months is good work, I doubt many can do that, myself included. Well done!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2022 13:07:56 GMT
Looking at Arden University now for an online degree. Anyone with any experience of them? I'm still just exploring my options and making general enquiries to places just now.
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