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Post by mikeck on Apr 17, 2024 10:09:38 GMT
Two episodes in, and feel they have done a very good job of keeping to the feel of the games whilst giving it the "TV treatment" and allowing those new to the franchise to slowly get into it without being overwhelmed too much.
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Post by zisssou on Apr 17, 2024 13:56:01 GMT
I'm enjoying it more as I go on. On episode 5 now.
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Apr 18, 2024 12:29:05 GMT
Not sure where I am, think it's 6. Lucy went into the medical building to look for supplies for Max and they discovered something.
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Post by dfunked on Apr 18, 2024 12:43:21 GMT
Think that was the end of the fifth episode. Only the last one left to go for me. I'm not massively keen on the Ghoul's flashback scenes*, but everything else has been solid. * Apart from the Matt Berry cameo of course. More of that please!
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Apr 18, 2024 13:50:58 GMT
I wish they'd named his character Todd Rivers.
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Post by Whizzo on Apr 18, 2024 14:55:43 GMT
I enjoyed the series on the whole, don't agree with some of the choices and differences from canon but I'm not going to go all "No Mutants Allowed" over it. What I do take issue with is the final episode is rather daft pre-war Vaultec's plan really didn't make a huge amount of sense and I don't give a toss at how amazing cold fusion is it's not suddenly going to light up LA like it's a Christmas tree 200 years after it got nuked. Plus Shady Sand's demise was a bit shit and it's in the wrong place.
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Post by zephro on Apr 18, 2024 15:08:27 GMT
I'm not really fussed about stuff being canon or a retcon or anything. It's just the thing they decided to do annoyed me on its own merits. Also having watched it all I have to agree with Vault Tec definitely started it all is just lame relative to leaving it ambiguous. Well and the NCR getting crushed.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Apr 18, 2024 15:09:26 GMT
I feel like Vault-tec has become a victim of the way the series has escalated over the years, similar to the way the series has treated nuclear weapons. Like, originally they were a dumb yet basically benign corporation that made bunkers. But then they became evil scientists in FO3.
And now in the show they're not just a corporation, they're the biggest and most evil corporation in the whole country, not only profiting from the end of the world but actively encouraging it.
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Post by 😎 on Apr 18, 2024 15:45:16 GMT
Tell me you haven’t read the Fallout Bible without telling me you haven’t read the Fallout Bible. Vault-Tec were always the bad guys.
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Post by 😎 on Apr 18, 2024 16:29:55 GMT
Sorry, that came off as obnoxious. More detail. Big spoilers, obvs FO2 explicitly reveals that Vault-Tec and The Enclave were more or less the same thing pre-war, that the deep state government started the vaults as social experimentation to make the perfect race after a nuclear war, and that it was never intended to save the country. That said, the show does take it a step further by revealing Enclave/Vault-Tec were the ones to drop the bombs in the first place.
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Post by Vandelay on Apr 18, 2024 16:58:54 GMT
I've watched the first two and it is enjoyable. Not spectacular and certainly not in the same league as The Last of Us TV show, but still a very fun watch. And I say that as someone who has never really got onboard with the Fallout games (I just don't like Bethesda's style - NV I liked the most, but haven't played it all).
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Post by mikeck on Apr 18, 2024 17:10:26 GMT
Tood Howard has said that the TV show is canon, also stating that "everything that happened in the previous games, including New Vegas, happened". I know Fallout existed before Howard, but he's the main guy of the franchise now, so got to take him at his word on this.
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Post by zephro on Apr 18, 2024 18:45:30 GMT
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Apr 18, 2024 20:48:46 GMT
Sorry, that came off as obnoxious. More detail. Big spoilers, obvs FO2 explicitly reveals that Vault-Tec and The Enclave were more or less the same thing pre-war, that the deep state government started the vaults as social experimentation to make the perfect race after a nuclear war, and that it was never intended to save the country. That said, the show does take it a step further by revealing Enclave/Vault-Tec were the ones to drop the bombs in the first place. Yeah, it's that last sentence of your spoiler that took it a little too far for me. I do genuinely get that they're an evil corporation. I have played the series since the beginning and probably worded my original post a bit wrong; there's nothing benign about them. But to me that specific reveal took their evil further than I think it really needed to go. It just rang a little hollow to me. Like the writers felt like they absolutely needed to have a twist, and didn't think too hard about whether it made complete sense or not.
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Post by 😎 on Apr 19, 2024 0:01:50 GMT
Yeah, for sure they’ve been pivoted to be “the face” of the sinister evil overlords rather than just a part of it, but I think that plays up to the anti-capitalist themes better anyway. Honestly, FO1 is largely ignorable in terms of canon lore for the most part, a lot of it was just thrown together from scraps of Wasteland, and it wasn’t until Tim Cain and Chris Avellone sat down for Fallout 2 that they started putting some solid thought behind it all. Though even then they readily admit it was quite the case of “throw everything at the wall and see what sticks” because of Interplay basically going under.
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Post by Blue_Mike on Apr 19, 2024 2:43:11 GMT
Yeah, for sure they’ve been pivoted to be “the face” of the sinister evil overlords rather than just a part of it, but I think that plays up to the anti-capitalist themes better anyway. Honestly, FO1 is largely ignorable in terms of canon lore for the most part, a lot of it was just thrown together from scraps of Wasteland, and it wasn’t until Tim Cain and Chris Avellone sat down for Fallout 2 that they started putting some solid thought behind it all. Though even then they readily admit it was quite the case of “throw everything at the wall and see what sticks” because of Interplay basically going under. Is that why you can time-travel through the Guardian Of Forever from Star Trek: TOS at one point in Fallout 2 and set the events of Fallout 1 in motion by breaking Vault 13's water chip? Because Cain and Avellone went "Fuck it, let's do it"?
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Apr 19, 2024 2:46:40 GMT
Yeah, for sure they’ve been pivoted to be “the face” of the sinister evil overlords rather than just a part of it, but I think that plays up to the anti-capitalist themes better anyway. Honestly, FO1 is largely ignorable in terms of canon lore for the most part, a lot of it was just thrown together from scraps of Wasteland, and it wasn’t until Tim Cain and Chris Avellone sat down for Fallout 2 that they started putting some solid thought behind it all. Though even then they readily admit it was quite the case of “throw everything at the wall and see what sticks” because of Interplay basically going under. Yeah look, it wasn't a deal-breaker for me or anything, and I don't know how it would play for someone who hasn't played all the games. That last episode just had a couple of reveals (the other one being the Shady Sands one) that didn't really hit for me. But I had a similar reaction to other things from these writers (see: Westworld), so maybe that's part of it too. But it's fine, I really liked the series overall. Really looking forward to the next one!
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Post by dfunked on Apr 19, 2024 6:27:53 GMT
In news that'll surprise nobody, this has been renewed for a second season.
I'm definitely up for more of it, although I felt the same about Westworld after the first season too...
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Post by Reviewer on Apr 19, 2024 7:23:01 GMT
I liked it a lot, and no issues with the parts that most seem less keen on. It had a pretty strong plot over the 8 episodes and there wasn't really any filler like there often is; plot, acting, action etc. were all good. Happy for there to be more, as long as each season can keep progressing the story well.
I've played some of Fallout but I quite often find the tutorial/intro sections so boring that I struggle to get past them. I'm sure they're good after that initial hump but it's an issue I have with a lot of games.
It's not going to be by number 1 show of the year (as the finale of one that I like more is on Tuesday) but could be in the top 5 or 10.
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Post by zephro on Apr 19, 2024 10:08:00 GMT
I think it really just is the big reset that's annoyed me. Like 2 and NV you don't actually play as a Vault Dweller as they were set on the idea of New California changing and progressing over time.
I get wanting to do "classic". I think worrying about canon and lore is what hampered them. Instead of setting it around the time of 1 or 2 and fudging the interactions with those games with some hand waving. They dropped a nuke and set it chronologically last, which feels like a cop out.
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Post by malek86 on Apr 20, 2024 9:47:26 GMT
Finished it yesterday night. It was good fun. The last three episodes did start feeling like the writers just wanted to have one plot twist after another, and merely a lot of filler in between.
Maybe I'd prefer a TV show where each episode can be self-contained, rather than an attempt to stretch a single plot over a full season. But I guess that would work better with weekly releases. This method of dropping a whole season at once encourages writers to treat TV series as if they were basically just long movies.
On a side note, it did also inspire me to start New Vegas again. So there's that.
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Post by freddiemercurystwin on Apr 20, 2024 18:24:30 GMT
Quite enjoying this, watched the first episode yesterday and three this afternoon, quite fun and great to see how they've realised the Fallout world/characters/creatures, agree with some of the thoughts here that the world all looks a bit too clean considering it's 200 odd years later, good fun.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Apr 20, 2024 22:09:04 GMT
Just finished it. I really enjoyed the ending. The penulimtate episode dragged a bit but I thought it was a very strong ending, and whilst I had some inkling of the twists and reveals the exact nature of them still managed to surprise me a bit. Just great.
I really don't care if it's lore accurate or not, just a really strong show in itself.
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Post by hicksy on Apr 21, 2024 13:48:01 GMT
Avoided this thread like a Feral Ghoul until now.
Finished this last night and it was excellent. Definitely the best game tv series to date by some way imo. Helped being a big Fallout fan but even so it’s terrific.
Delighted Season 2 already commissioned!
9/10
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Post by Binky on Apr 21, 2024 13:57:16 GMT
I'm half way through the season and I have to say, I'm enjoying this a lot more than TLOU (which I also enjoyed).
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Post by freddiemercurystwin on Apr 21, 2024 19:59:33 GMT
Hmm, have to say episodes 6 & 7 felt a little flat, fingers crossed it picks up again, to be fair the latter end of episode 7 did start picking up ....
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Post by Binky on Apr 22, 2024 21:44:54 GMT
And done.
Really enjoyed that. There are holes you could easily pick, but I enjoyed the ride a lot so I'll just leave it at that. Happy there's more on the way!
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Apr 22, 2024 23:03:55 GMT
I mean, it would be ok if people could talk about *some* holes to pick, it's a more interesting discussion than dozens of "hey I liked the show, 9/10" posts.
Like what about Walton Goggins's nose holes. You could definitely pick those.
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Apr 23, 2024 13:08:01 GMT
I enjoyed that whole thing yet I'm a little conflicted. On the one hand I feel they explained a little too much and maybe wish they held some of that mystery back but with that said, I'm glad they did spend all of it setting up a season 2 (even if it has already been green-lit).
There is still enough 'smoking man' hiding in the shadows pulling strings and the absolute best bit was the reveal of the thing we all know about the vaults by now so I'm looking forward to more of that kind of madness.
I'll be playing some FO for sure ... I have an itch in need of scratching.
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Post by drhcnip on Apr 24, 2024 7:57:01 GMT
Finished this yesterday as a massive fallout fan since fo1. Loved it and happy there’s more.
I do agree with the comments about it being too ‘clean’, though that’s a minor quibble, I suppose
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