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Sept 3, 2023 12:22:44 GMT
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Post by rawshark on Sept 3, 2023 12:22:44 GMT
Yeah like a lot of people I felt like I’d turned up to a class I hadn’t done my homework for. Im sure Star Wars Rebels and Clone Wars is great. But I’m never going to have time to watch them.
I remember the original clone wars cartoon - the one like Samurai Jack - being on when I was in Canada. Painful to watch because of the constant ad breaks and needless recaps. If I get time I’d like to revisit because Disney+ has a re-edited version.
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Sept 3, 2023 12:33:01 GMT
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Post by KD on Sept 3, 2023 12:33:01 GMT
Plenty of quick catch up vids on youtube.
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Post by rawshark on Sept 3, 2023 12:50:12 GMT
Yeah… you know what would have been great? If they’d have thought of that and done a story so far bit right before the first episode.
I’m a lazy man. A lazy, lazy man.
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Ahsoka
Sept 3, 2023 12:53:36 GMT
Post by Bill in the rain on Sept 3, 2023 12:53:36 GMT
Yeah like a lot of people I felt like I’d turned up to a class I hadn’t done my homework for. Im sure Star Wars Rebels and Clone Wars is great. But I’m never going to have time to watch them. I remember the original clone wars cartoon - the one like Samurai Jack - being on when I was in Canada. Painful to watch because of the constant ad breaks and needless recaps. If I get time I’d like to revisit because Disney+ has a re-edited version. It was originally youtube shorts, wasn't it?
But yeah, someone has edited it into basically a movie on youtube.
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Post by LegendaryApe on Sept 3, 2023 13:45:51 GMT
Yeah… you know what would have been great? If they’d have thought of that and done a story so far bit right before the first episode. I’m a lazy man. A lazy, lazy man. so lazy you don't even bother to cook your shark..
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Sept 3, 2023 14:17:04 GMT
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Post by zephro on Sept 3, 2023 14:17:04 GMT
Do you actually need to understand any of the backstory? There's a sith and apprentice, an evil Imperial Admiral and a mcguffin chase to link the 2 together.
Could basically be the plot of Dark Forces 1 or 2. 3 if they chuck in a cameo by Luke Skywalker. Didn't even have wikis back then.
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Sept 3, 2023 17:27:59 GMT
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Post by simple on Sept 3, 2023 17:27:59 GMT
The girl who is a Mandalorian-Jedi seems like she probably has a big backstory and complex relationship with Ahsoka and Mary Elizabeth Winstead that appears to be relevant and important. Same with the lost friend who apparently died on some incredible epic mission that no one has bothered to explain.
That two Sith are looking for a video game plot with one of those witches from Fallen Order is whatever but at least tell us who the main characters are and why we should care about them.
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Post by rawshark on Sept 3, 2023 17:58:42 GMT
Yeah like a lot of people I felt like I’d turned up to a class I hadn’t done my homework for. Im sure Star Wars Rebels and Clone Wars is great. But I’m never going to have time to watch them. I remember the original clone wars cartoon - the one like Samurai Jack - being on when I was in Canada. Painful to watch because of the constant ad breaks and needless recaps. If I get time I’d like to revisit because Disney+ has a re-edited version. It was originally youtube shorts, wasn't it?
But yeah, someone has edited it into basically a movie on youtube.
I think it predates YouTube. They were fillers on the Canadian cartoon channels back in 2005 when I was there, but every now and then they did a marathon of them all together. Albeit unedited. Disney+ does have a movie edit of the series somewhere, last I checked.
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Sept 3, 2023 18:16:03 GMT
Post by Whizzo on Sept 3, 2023 18:16:03 GMT
I think Filoni was clearly wrong in saying you don't need to have seen Rebels to really enjoy Ahsoka as this thread shows, it's Rebels season 5 but with the name of an irregularly appearing guest character. It'll probably be even obvious of that when Ezra and Thrawn turn up.
It's a shame that Kallas isn't going to show up and played by the original actor, it would be quite interesting how they would handle it.
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Sept 3, 2023 20:10:37 GMT
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Post by zephro on Sept 3, 2023 20:10:37 GMT
The girl who is a Mandalorian-Jedi seems like she probably has a big backstory and complex relationship with Ahsoka and Mary Elizabeth Winstead that appears to be relevant and important. Same with the lost friend who apparently died on some incredible epic mission that no one has bothered to explain. That two Sith are looking for a video game plot with one of those witches from Fallen Order is whatever but at least tell us who the main characters are and why we should care about them. I did actually look this up as I thought I'd just forgotten the last series of Rebels, turns out I hadn't. But the whole Sabine is Ashokas padawan thing is new to this show. So it's not back story from anywhere in particular. I did spend a while trying to work out why the green lass looks familiar. Which is clearly Scott Pilgrim Vs The World.
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Sept 3, 2023 23:02:34 GMT
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Post by simple on Sept 3, 2023 23:02:34 GMT
Fully caught up now. Slightly concerned that the third episode had a taste of the Obi Wan “almost this entire episode could’ve been a ten minute sequence in a film” vibe to it.
But
Ultimately, I’m enjoying the show overall. I know I’ve mainly posted negative stuff about it but it bounces along ok and I’ve played enough Star Wars games for this plot to feel like a comfortable worn in pair of pants.
One last negative - basically every character who I assume was originally designed for the cartoon looks like an upper tier cosplayer dressed as a cartoon character more than a natural part of the relatively muted onscreen world. Purple hair, bright yellow trousers etc
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Sept 3, 2023 23:11:29 GMT
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Post by Danno on Sept 3, 2023 23:11:29 GMT
All of the above is all of my issue with it. Star Wars anything has been phoning it in for 25 years and getting away with it because of a sci-fi-scape that promised so much and just about delivered in 2 movies from before I was even fucking born.
And then it shit up every single other thing it did while strangling all other sci-fi out of the space because "we gots laser swords and emo pricks hurr durr".
Fuck this franchise, I wish it never fucking existed.
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Sept 4, 2023 7:18:09 GMT
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Post by simple on Sept 4, 2023 7:18:09 GMT
I think I’ve said it before but I think they could address a lot of the problems that Star Wars and the MCU have on Disney+ by making more anthology or one-shot special shows so stories are compacted rather than stretch out for hours longer than the plot can support across whole series.
Although I guess when each of them is costing the price of a full feature film they want/need to milk every minute of screen time they can out of their investment.
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Sept 4, 2023 7:27:47 GMT
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Post by Reviewer on Sept 4, 2023 7:27:47 GMT
Every single marvel tv show and Star Wars tv series under Disney would have been better as films/one off except Andor and S1 of Mandalorian. The rest hasn’t had enough story, interest or quality to be anything better than all those CBS type shows that came before.
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Sept 4, 2023 7:52:02 GMT
Post by Bongo Heracles on Sept 4, 2023 7:52:02 GMT
More or less all of them are things they make because they have to rather than they want to. Like The Mando S1, arguably the best one of the lot. You could tell they gave a shit about it just from the credit sequence.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Sept 4, 2023 8:28:02 GMT
A long while back it seemed like they were giving movies/shows to interesting creators who might do something a bit different with them. Then the backlash against Last Jedi seems to have killed that off and now everything is all just corporate SWCU and all feels a bit by-the-numbers.
Personally I'd prefer it if each show had a bit more of its own personality, and instead of trying to make them all interconnected like the Arrowverse, they were each off doing their own thing in their own way.
Mando S1 obviously had a lot of care put into it, but also it was off doing it's own thing with its space western theme.. then it got pulled into a more generic star wars setup with Jedi and Tatooine and Boba Fett etc..
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Sept 4, 2023 8:31:50 GMT
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Post by Reviewer on Sept 4, 2023 8:31:50 GMT
It’s telling that the Obi Wan series actually was a film script they dragged out and added very little. Feels like that’s the approach for most.
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Sept 4, 2023 8:33:13 GMT
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Post by simple on Sept 4, 2023 8:33:13 GMT
My theory is that they never expected the Mandalorian to be a hit which is why the first season is allowed to be its own thing and once it got massive they had to tie it into the wider universe and add a load pf corporate mandated fan service. Plus that might account for why it falls down slightly when it comes to trying to sellotape a long term arc onto a show that doesn’t seem built for it.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Sept 4, 2023 8:59:09 GMT
It also benefitted from being pretty disconnected from the main franchise. Sure it had a few cameos from people like 88, but it felt like it was all happening in some remote place with new people and new stories. (though then it turned out it was just around the corner from Tatooine, so it was a bit weird that no-one seemed to have heard of the Empire or Jedi or anything much).
All the other shows are tied into the existing cannon with Luke, etc.. which gives them very little space to maneuver, and not much opportunity to tell an interesting story. Ahsoka is pretty boxed in with what we know happens before and after.
Weren't they planning an Old Republic type show? One of the things that really let KotOR be successful was that they set it so far before the movies that they basically had total freedom to tell whatever stories they wanted.
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Sept 4, 2023 9:03:32 GMT
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Post by simple on Sept 4, 2023 9:03:32 GMT
Plus it turns out that rather than there only being Vader and Ben left, everyone is a closet Jedi these days which seems to limit them to only telling a handful of stories.
Going KOTOR would be something I’d be very interested in as you could tell so many stories free from the existing canon but familiar enough that it shouldn’t scare too many folk off.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Sept 4, 2023 9:04:50 GMT
The problem, obviously, is that they have to be low stakes enough to not tread on the plot of the movies and high stakes enough for us to care because they are mostly trapped in that horrible no-mans land between the OT and the ST.
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Sept 4, 2023 9:09:23 GMT
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Post by simple on Sept 4, 2023 9:09:23 GMT
The sequel trilogy hasn’t helped with its set up essentially being ‘the Empire is back and the rebel victory might as well have not happened since their entire fleet is apparently smaller than it was first time around and they have to hide in caves again’
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Sept 4, 2023 9:14:30 GMT
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Sept 4, 2023 9:14:30 GMT
Yeah. Basically, everything we see, all those little world building bits, all the deprogramming stuff, all the absorbing the empire into the republic scenes are for nothing as they get exploded with a big firework an hour into the episode 7.
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Sept 4, 2023 9:35:29 GMT
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Post by oldschoolsavant on Sept 4, 2023 9:35:29 GMT
Aha. I was wondering why I quite enjoyed those mustard pants, similar situation. Yeah, ep3 didn't exactly do much more, but at 8 episodes and nowt much else on, I'll stick with it for now.
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Sept 4, 2023 15:43:31 GMT
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Post by zephro on Sept 4, 2023 15:43:31 GMT
The sequel trilogy hasn’t helped with its set up essentially being ‘the Empire is back and the rebel victory might as well have not happened since their entire fleet is apparently smaller than it was first time around and they have to hide in caves again’ Yeah it's really fucked these shows. As they're stuck in a timeline where they just decommission a working fleet and intelligence service. While doing the logical nonsense of the prequels. The Republic raises taxes and tariffs, hence the arguing in Phantom Menace, while providing absolutely no services. Like even the basic security ones most states are expected to achieve.
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Sept 4, 2023 16:35:04 GMT
Post by Whizzo on Sept 4, 2023 16:35:04 GMT
Not saying the New Republic aren't a bunch of fucking idiots, surprised Mon Mothma hasn't just seized power herself, there's some real world precedent when the Cold War ended so many countries seemed to fall over themselves to ditch military hardware and cut spending because Russia was obviously no longer a threat.
In the Star Wars universe of course it's not like there's not potentially threats from other sources than just the Imperial Remnant though.
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Sept 4, 2023 17:21:42 GMT
Post by zephro on Sept 4, 2023 17:21:42 GMT
Yeah but post Cold War one of two things were true, you were under the US nuclear umbrella and part of NATO, or you just had your own nukes like the UK (which did both). But yeah in Star Wars there's clearly smuggling rings and such with entire fleets of warships, so you'd think you'd maintain enough defence spending for that. Then when the Remnant starts out with a handful of Star Destroyers you just go nip that in the bud before they manage to turn an entire fucking planet into a cannon.
It's not just the military though. The Republic clearly has no Federal institutions, like education, health, pensions. It only ever has a massive fucking bureaucracy but nothing obvious it ever uses it on.
This was a problem with Phantom Menace as well though. If the Republic wasn't spending it on anything then it's not like tariffs could have actually been that high.
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Sept 4, 2023 17:54:20 GMT
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Post by simple on Sept 4, 2023 17:54:20 GMT
I think what would be interesting to see in an Andor sort of way is the extent to which things never really changed in the galactic centre after the fall of the Empire. The Star Wars equivalent of Russia’s oligarchs, I suppose. I think we probably saw one in episode 3 of this during MEW’s call to Mon Mothma.
Thanks to how creatively safe the franchise is we largely stay in areas that are supposed to be on the far edge of civilisation but there are billions of people in the middle whose lives probably went largely unchanged. Especially in positions of privilege.
That kind of show would probably be well suited to addressing how the Ren’s forces seem so unstoppable and appear to have basically won before pissing about with a third Death Star.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Sept 4, 2023 19:28:42 GMT
The annoying thing is that we all suffered through the sequel trilogy to move on past the skywalker era so maybe have a stab at that.
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Sept 6, 2023 14:43:51 GMT
Post by aubergine on Sept 6, 2023 14:43:51 GMT
Episode 4 was pretty good.
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