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Post by Danno on Sept 18, 2021 10:22:09 GMT
Look at us being all grown up and stuff. Suck it Rodger.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2021 10:43:23 GMT
Let's all have a socially distanced shag. Good idea, relieve some tension.
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Post by Lukus on Sept 18, 2021 11:08:26 GMT
Craigy is basically the digital equivalent of a vet shooting an old broken horse that no one wants anymore and is costing too much to keep alive. He probably doesn't want to, but he kind of has to. Or Lord Reedpop will beat his ass.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 18, 2021 11:16:42 GMT
Yeah he's definitely just the messenger, I don't agree with taking your frustrations out on him, personally speaking.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2021 11:19:56 GMT
The poster has taken his comment back. In the spirit of Craigy, let's sunset this conversation.
Forum killing bastard.
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Post by Danno on Sept 18, 2021 12:07:18 GMT
The poster has taken his comment back. In the spirit of Craigy, let's sunset this conversation. Forum killing bastard.
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Post by nazo on Sept 18, 2021 12:14:27 GMT
Yeah he's definitely just the messenger, I don't agree with taking your frustrations out on him, personally speaking. Even though he said in his announcement post that it was his decision, under no pressure from Reedpop and any anger should be directed at him?
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Sept 18, 2021 12:16:27 GMT
Well I don't think he would have done it just for the lols
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2021 12:22:35 GMT
I kind of got the impression it was too much work for him to move it over to the new platform so he decided to bin it. Not that I really give a shit who's decision it was.
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Post by Fake_Blood on Sept 18, 2021 12:30:34 GMT
Yeah he's definitely just the messenger, I don't agree with taking your frustrations out on him, personally speaking. Even though he said in his announcement post that it was his decision, under no pressure from Reedpop and any anger should be directed at him?
That’s how management works, they give you a task like transition all our sites to a new platform, but ow yes we haven’t exactly sold a lot of tickets last year so your budget is only X amount of pounds. It was probably up to him to decide what to cut. It would also be unprofessional to flat out say RP is making me do this, and it would lead to a lot of angry reactions in the comments. Personally I think he tried to keep the forum alive from whenever we changed domains to community.eurogamer.net .
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Post by Reviewer on Sept 18, 2021 12:35:30 GMT
It really doesn’t matter now, does it. Why not move on?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2021 12:46:24 GMT
Especially as its worked out better for us.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Sept 18, 2021 13:43:00 GMT
Was Craigy even involved with RPS before the acquisition? He's always seemed alright and had a good rapport with the EG lot. Plus he seems to be keeping an eye on FG which is nice. It probably could have been handled better for RPS but his job isn't PR - should have been someone else dropping the news anyway
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Post by Sarfrin on Sept 18, 2021 22:38:43 GMT
Was Craigy even involved with RPS before the acquisition? He's always seemed alright and had a good rapport with the EG lot. Plus he seems to be keeping an eye on FG which is nice. It probably could have been handled better for RPS but his job isn't PR - should have been someone else dropping the news anyway He wasn't. We had no idea who he was. But on reflection I realised that I'm mostly annoyed at two years of people in authority standing up and spouting things they know full well to be untrue in the (sadly correct) belief that enough people will either believe them, forget what they said in a week's time or just not care, that they can get away with it and carry on being in authority while tens of thousands of their own citizens die of a preventable disease. craigy's "it's entirely your management's decision" post was just the tiny, much less important echo of that that broke this camel's back.
There may also have been a glass or five of red wine involved.
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Post by skalpadda on Sept 19, 2021 3:41:13 GMT
I can totally understand how they are pissed off though as he appeared from nowhere and said we are closing you down. He was never a part of the community where as on EG he was around for years and used to chat and joke with us. I still don't believe it was your decision though Craigy, but that's all history now. As I said in the RPS thread, I don't think Craigy really did anything wrong, though it would have been nice if he introduced himself. What annoys me is that not a single familiar face from RPS bothered to pop their head in for five minutes to break the news. Ex-editor-in-chief Graham turned up when a mod summoned him to say he'd be around to answer questions and then hasn't replied at all (which Craigy at least did - thanks craigy). Makes you feel loved and appreciated, that does.
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Post by dominalien on Sept 19, 2021 6:35:20 GMT
The only site I regularly read now has a forum and its creator said a while back it was the least active part of it. People just mostly comment under news or articles and only go to the forum for technical help, very little general discussion going on there.
So in that way forums really are dead, though my life would be much harder if e.g. stack overflow went away. How would I then make up for my lack of an actual technical education?
The argument that forums contain a wealth of info that’s searchable and useable for years to come is a sound one. I’m just not sure it applied to the EG forum.
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Post by Danno on Sept 19, 2021 7:28:18 GMT
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Post by Zyrr on Sept 19, 2021 8:20:00 GMT
And where will people go to find out how to get sound from their Xbox 360?
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Post by Reviewer on Sept 19, 2021 8:54:50 GMT
I don’t really get why the sites would have shown any love or appreciation when they weren’t at all engaged with them for several years. Most staff that had some engagement left years ago.
Essentially they let everyone squat on their sites chatting away at the sites cost for probably no return. If they’d shown interest for some time then I’d get it.
Still, the community carries on so why not move on and put any bitterness to one side.
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Post by erekose on Sept 19, 2021 10:16:07 GMT
Until EG closed their forums I never even noticed that this form of online chat is now, apparently, ‘obsolete’ and ‘old’.
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Post by elstoof on Sept 19, 2021 10:38:39 GMT
They aren’t, just running them is a cost and they’re difficult to monetise. Pushing people onto discord or twitter makes it someone else’s responsibility
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Sept 19, 2021 13:25:58 GMT
It's pretty galling that they offered Discord as an alternative. Discord is fine - I've used it a lot during lockdown! - but it's not remotely the same thing.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 19, 2021 13:50:28 GMT
I still don't understand Discord as a way of building a community as there's just no permanence to what's been discussed so you just find people repeating the same questions again and again especially if it's a chat that acts as a information resource. I haven't been on the official EG Discord but that's deader than dead right? Which is ironic considering the forum was judged as dead.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Sept 19, 2021 13:58:36 GMT
I never took their suggestion of switching to Discord seriously... It was more of a token thing than anything, because it's all they've got to offer
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Post by elstoof on Sept 19, 2021 14:09:52 GMT
There’s no intention of building a community, they want all traffic on the main site where there’s adverts, the quality of the comments is also irrelevant. Discord was a token suggestion to appease a few hundred forum users, it’s run by a volunteer and costs nothing
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 19, 2021 14:19:22 GMT
Putting MrTom on blast with that 'volunteer' line.
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Post by killerbee on Sept 19, 2021 14:30:16 GMT
Personal opinion and all that, but it’s the “community” bit that I actually value. That’s why I stuck around Eurogamer for 20+ years and also why I spent a lot of time on the Guardian Gamesblog pages (also RIP) several years back.
Without community - regular names that you get to know - the internet really is just shouting into the void.
I guess the front page of EG has also changed - there’s now far more regurgitation of press releases and stories about Fortnite skins compared to the Kristan Reed and Tom Bramwell era. I used to love reading EG reviews and articles just because they were great pieces of writing about a topic I was passionate about, or they were funny (Ellie Gibson) but now they’re mostly whimsy or filler. I mean Chris Donlan puts words together nicely enough but I’m not sure I really feel what he’s saying.
Emma Kent was a shining star who did some great writing but even she’s gone.
I dunno… life moves on. It’s just sad that the EG owners and editorial team didn’t really know or care much about what they had there.
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Post by Reviewer on Sept 19, 2021 14:54:45 GMT
A Facebook group would make more sense as a community than discord but that’s still awful.
The forum kept going for 20 years in that form. That’s a lot longer than most have survived.
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Post by grizzly on Sept 19, 2021 21:21:25 GMT
I still don't understand Discord as a way of building a community as there's just no permanence to what's been discussed so you just find people repeating the same questions again and again especially if it's a chat that acts as a information resource. I haven't been on the official EG Discord but that's deader than dead right? Which is ironic considering the forum was judged as dead. Discord is good at building a community but far more in a way that something like, say, an archery club or weekly lan party or what have you is: You show up, you talk to the people there, and you play some games. Especially for just getting together to play games together it's very good, as is the ability to just hop into a voice channel and stream a videogame. A community doesn't need permanence to be build, that's just a feature that's exclusive to message boards. Online, stuff like streams, VOIP channels and IRC don't have permanence and still manage to build a community just fine, just like literally any offline community. It's not like a boardgame club keeps minutes for every game that's played
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Post by idgaf on Sept 19, 2021 21:28:30 GMT
Ah, bugger. I can't quote properly. You mentioned archery and I wondered if you shot.
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