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Post by TheSaint on Mar 13, 2023 12:34:10 GMT
I'm pretty sure it's hard enough to write one season of a TV show without mapping out four or five seasons in advance on the off chance that it's a hit.
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Post by myk on Mar 13, 2023 12:43:03 GMT
Should have had Grogu grow up a bit more, and then have the duo going around the outer rim battling local crime lords and pirates. It's gone from a nice episodic structure to super serialised.
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Post by geefe on Mar 13, 2023 12:50:50 GMT
This is the problem. He'll never grow up now. They can't make him stop being cute and ruin any merch.
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Post by Gruf on Mar 13, 2023 12:54:54 GMT
Grogu the terrible teen years
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Post by wunty on Mar 13, 2023 12:56:17 GMT
I'm pretty sure it's hard enough to write one season of a TV show without mapping out four or five seasons in advance on the off chance that it's a hit. That's not really what it is though. It's the fact that so far, in only two episodes, it doesn't even make sense taken in isolation, let alone compared to the rest of the show. Of course it's not easy to write a series, but it should kind of be expected / hoped for that the series that is written makes sense and follows some basic logic from the get go. This doesn't so far. |
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Post by Whizzo on Mar 13, 2023 12:57:44 GMT
Given Grogu is around 50 the show would have to be on for decades for anything much to change unless "Yoda" puberty is at an incredible speed.
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Post by Gruf on Mar 13, 2023 13:01:17 GMT
With this level of writing ANYTHING is possible
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Post by Bill in the rain on Mar 13, 2023 13:12:25 GMT
They can do a Baby Groot / Kid Groot / Teen Groot kinda ting and have him get a bit older each season. But they won't.
The best thing about season 1 was it was episodic, not serialized, and it was 99% detached from all the starwars epic 'skywalker saga' stuff and was just a nice contained Space Western. Season 2 drifted away from that strongly, and it sounds like season 3 has done the same.
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Post by simple on Mar 13, 2023 13:13:58 GMT
I’d like to see him pop a space zit using the force. It could be like Scanners for star-prom night.
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Post by darkling on Mar 13, 2023 15:57:22 GMT
They could just take the path of least resistance and take massive swathes of inspiration from classic westerns.
Mando moseys into town looking for an old friend who's gone missing. The guys in the saloon don't like his snooping, or his "green baby". A bar fight ensues. Mando smashes a whiskey bottle over someone's head. Grogu force-throws someone head-first along the bar.
Mando proceeds to clean up the town whilst he makes enquiries with the townfolk about his friend... A bit like The Book of Boba Fett, but good.
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Post by geefe on Mar 13, 2023 17:20:10 GMT
Or he could turn up at a place where the new sheriff is near.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Mar 14, 2023 2:44:56 GMT
Are there ay classic westerns they didn't already do? I assumed that they ran out which is why they kinda moved away from it in season 2. screenrant.com/mandalorian-boba-fett-western-movie-homage/ I guess they didn't do The Quick and The Dead yet. PS/ Fun fact: One of the 2 stunt doubles who are the ones wearing Mando's armour a lot of the time on screen is John Wayne's grandson  |
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Post by aubergine on Mar 14, 2023 3:43:27 GMT
I’m honestly kind of hoping he eventually decides to just drop the whole helmet cult and take his helmet off sometimes as a bit of a treat for viewers. Not every ep, just, like, once per season, to say “I love you” or “You killed my father. Prepare to die.” stuff like that.
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Post by Goban on Mar 14, 2023 4:46:09 GMT
This thread is depressing. Wtf is wrong with mainstream TV scifi and fantasy and it's complete complete lack of decent script writing. It's not as if they lack the budget to hire decent writers. They just don't give a shit. Most, if not all, the current output in the marvel/Disney is sub par. The rings of power suffered the same fundamental problems. I've got a very high tolerance for shit in these genres, and I was ok with being thrown the odd bone now and again. But there's a lot of output these days, and it's almost always disappointing for very similar reasons.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Mar 14, 2023 4:52:09 GMT
I’m honestly kind of hoping he eventually decides to just drop the whole helmet cult and take his helmet off sometimes as a bit of a treat for viewers. Not every ep, just, like, once per season, to say “I love you” or “You killed my father. Prepare to die.” stuff like that. He has taken it off once or twice per season, hasn't he? Though that would mean Pedro Pascal would actually have to be on set sometimes  |
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Post by aubergine on Mar 14, 2023 7:36:14 GMT
This thread is depressing. Wtf is wrong with mainstream TV scifi and fantasy and it's complete complete lack of decent script writing. It's not as if they lack the budget to hire decent writers. They just don't give a shit. Most, if not all, the current output in the marvel/Disney is sub par. The rings of power suffered the same fundamental problems. I've got a very high tolerance for shit in these genres, and I was ok with being thrown the odd bone now and again. But there's a lot of output these days, and it's almost always disappointing for very similar reasons. I’m pretty sure it’s all John Favrau writing it now, and he seems like he kind of sucks at it. When you consider that Iron Man had no script and just happened to work because RDJ is a fantastic improviser, but was a real crapshoot (which didn’t work twice with Iron Man 2) you do have to question his writing chops. |
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Post by Reviewer on Mar 14, 2023 7:59:02 GMT
Some of the episodes have been good that he’s written, I think the problem is the volume he’s writing or the lack of additional input he’s got.
I do wish they’d put more thought into what the story was going to be for the series. So far it’s meandering and boring.
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Post by aubergine on Mar 14, 2023 11:21:44 GMT
There’s no antagonist for a start, just a mission the audience is unlikely to even root for.
Protect cute thing from Gus Fring? Yes please.
Quest to appease hat cult? …what?
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Post by Dug Briderider on Mar 15, 2023 8:21:54 GMT
Just watched over breakfast, This episode is much more Andor than Boba, hope they keep it up.
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Post by aubergine on Mar 15, 2023 8:26:45 GMT
Thst’s stretch I feel. I was more, who are these people? And the conclusion I just laughed at. They have a mindwipe device and it’s just.. at a low setting, but anyone could turn it up to full mindwipe, and it’s just left un-attended? And what’s her motivation? Bit of moustache twirl? I thought she was going to have him abducted by whatever we’re calling the remnant forces now. The actual ending of the episode was pretty cool now. Go Starbuck! |
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Post by Whizzo on Mar 15, 2023 9:18:09 GMT
The B plot could have been far better written, some decent ideas just half baked and the payoff was awful. How did the instigator of the whole caper just remain at large let alone being left to fry Pershing? Her entire motivation wasn't shown and if she was just doing it as a loyalist to Gideon there's far easier ways to kill someone. The start was good though. |
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Post by oldschoolsavant on Mar 15, 2023 15:55:22 GMT
I sneaked a peek at the thread on the bus home, and expectations checked. Andor-like ? Really ? Nope. An Andor pace perhaps, a little slower and allowed to flow, but the cynic in me says it was an afterthought because they had nothing else to fill out this arc. Back from Mandalore, bathed check, what now ? Can't start anything new with 25mins runtime, soooo filler ? And the one liners are really, really annoying now, "I know these..." bump/scrape, laughter track ensues. And I felt the absolute self-congratulations in the writers room with 'It was a trap !' at the Mon Cal towards the end. Disappointed in no real cruiser reveal during the opening action, although someone is probably analysing those suspicious dark clouds as I type, and slightly concerned at the whole "new regime same as the old one, everyone join obscure religious cults, this is the way" feeling I had by the end. Just me ?  |
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Post by zephro on Mar 15, 2023 21:11:38 GMT
I am confused as to the point of that episode. I think I'm just confused and de-motivated any time they spend trying to go into the intricacies of the New/Old Republic though. From the prequels onwards
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Post by zephro on Mar 15, 2023 21:24:18 GMT
Like this starts with the Prequels. There's some dispute about tariffs, people argue for fucking ages, the old republic seems to neither have a military, police force, or any social care given the state of various places. What was the point of the old republic?
Then the sequels, basically ditto. Managed to overlook some cunts building a planet sized cannon on their border but did nothing, and again absolutely no fleet to do anything about it. Nor the foresight to do so during the I dunno 20 years it takes to build a planet cannon. What's the point of it?
Then to try and add some "depth" they just sort of both side it where the old/new republic is basically as bad as the Empire in terms of "big government be bad grrrr". So what lower taxes and bigger hats? What's the fucking point?
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Post by Binky on Mar 15, 2023 23:27:49 GMT
I really, really disliked that episode.
The writing was disjointed, the direction was cakhanded, the acting super hammy and the CGI was all over the shop.
Watching Mando with the kids has been an absolute delight up until tonight. They’ve delighted in the episodic nature of all these little adventures. We absolutely loved the ending of ep2 and thought we were in for a thrill ride with this week’s episode. But nope. What an utter let down for the little ones.
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Post by Onny on Mar 16, 2023 7:03:28 GMT
This episode felt like they watched Andor and decided to do an episode like it - albeit a far more inferior version.
I don’t give a shit about the doctor or the other imperials. It’s interesting I suppose to see what happened to all those officers after the fall of the empire, but it just felt so pointless. If they are setting either of those two characters up as an antagonist then ok that’s fine but why spend 45 minutes over it?
This is the Mandalorian so show us the Mandalorian please.
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Post by aubergine on Mar 16, 2023 8:14:55 GMT
Maybe because they put two episodes of The Mandalorian into Boba Fett, they were contractually obliged to put episodes of some other shit into The Mandalorian.
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Post by Mr Wonderstuff on Mar 16, 2023 8:56:56 GMT
I enjoyed the episode - good to see a wider take on stuff happening and interesting how the 're-education' is pretty much the sort thing the empire would do (which was mentioned) - *Shrugs* must be just me happy with it.
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Post by Binky on Mar 16, 2023 9:08:07 GMT
I enjoyed the episode - good to see a wider take on stuff happening and interesting how the 're-education' is pretty much the sort thing the empire would do (which was mentioned) - *Shrugs* must be just me happy with it. Narrator: It was. |
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Post by Saul1138 on Mar 16, 2023 9:38:16 GMT
I thought it was great also. Though the end was utter tripe. But I actually bought into it, and expected a bigger twist than we got. But I love all the incidental bits of characters in the universe.
Like R5 blowing his motivator in ANH, as he realised his mission for the Rebellion was less important than Artoo getting the Deathstar plans to Yavin. It is a little thing, but I like it, when it is done well. And, for the most part, this episode delivered for me.
When I was watching it, I knew CGI would get some criticism. It isn’t popular. But those city backgrounds and sets are probably insanely expensive to build. You get away with the tech they used for the first series when it is rugged planetscapes. But they have a choice, spend a fortune on physical sets; for little gain. Or get complaints about the over use of CGI.
But it is a solid 7/10 episode, losing a point for the crap ending. Others may enjoy it, but it was shite in my humble.
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