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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2023 12:13:13 GMT
Yeah I watched it last night. Not sure if it's Post Andor Syndrome but it wasnt great imo. Also the make-up on the pirates was awful. That green thing looked like something out of Fraggle Rock.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2023 12:15:35 GMT
As children, why are Mandalorians given child-sized helmets that they can never remove? Do the helmets magically grow as the wearer becomes an adult, or do wearers become horrifically deformed over time? I'm pretty sure it's never take them off around other people rather than actually never take them off. They still need to eat and drink.
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Post by wunty on Mar 6, 2023 12:25:36 GMT
Me and the boy just like watching it because of Grogu tbh. Every few scenes the little guy is doing something silly. We love it. As an actual serious show it doens't really hold up and I'm not altogether sure wtf is going on so far. So he wants to atone and be a Mando again, so tries to resurrect IG-88 (because even though Mando can kill four space pirates in a fraction of a second, he's scared to go to a seemingly barren planet himelf) who is surprisingly intact given he blew the shit out himself. He then goes to find a part but goes to Starbuck's castle instead for no real reason? Who gives a toss when you've got Grogu force spinning on a chair or hugging a little furry puppet man.
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Post by nexus6 on Mar 6, 2023 12:32:57 GMT
Yeah I watched it last night. Not sure if it's Post Andor Syndrome but it wasnt great imo. Also the make-up on the pirates was awful. That green thing looked like something out of Fraggle Rock. Said exactly that about the pirate captain guy! But it's fine to have this as Silly Star Wars (SSW) and something like Andor as Serious Star Wars (SSW) As long as Andor is followed up by something that fills that SSW space.
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Post by gamingdave on Mar 6, 2023 12:44:14 GMT
Me and the boy just like watching it because of Grogu tbh. Every few scenes the little guy is doing something silly. We love it. As an actual serious show it doens't really hold up and I'm not altogether sure wtf is going on so far. So he wants to atone and be a Mando again, so tries to resurrect IG-88 (because even though Mando can kill four space pirates in a fraction of a second, he's scared to go to a seemingly barren planet himelf) who is surprisingly intact given he blew the shit out himself. He then goes to find a part but goes to Starbuck's castle instead for no real reason? Who gives a toss when you've got Grogu force spinning on a chair or hugging a little furry puppet man. I assumed he wanted the droid as the planet is supposedly poisoned, and the droid might be able to access areas he can't. But yes, quite how so much survived that explosion is a bit of an issue. There are bits where you simply have to let it wash over you, and after Andor it can seem very shallow, but I don't mind that as it does pewpew Star Wars really well, and I am happy both types exist.
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Post by mcgeeza on Mar 6, 2023 12:57:33 GMT
Maybe he could have installed a gas mask in his helmet instead? I'm sure those little dudes would have knocked one up in 10 minutes.
I think you just have to go with 'because plot' most of the time with Star Wars stuff.
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Post by wunty on Mar 6, 2023 12:57:57 GMT
I'd much rather this than po-faced Andor tbh. SW is inherently silly. Too gritty doesn't suit it. I've said before but I have no time for SW anyway these days as it's been fucking done to death and the magic is gone. Therefore I only watch what the boy wants to watch. He bounced off Andor and that suited me fine.
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Post by aubergine on Mar 6, 2023 13:25:37 GMT
I can’t pretend that robot was so well-developed and memorable a character that it’s possible to care about this story thread. The episode was a series of tenuous diversions. Like when in a game, you have to get to sector seven, but the elevator is broken, so you go to restart the generator, but the flux piston is missing, so you crawl through an air duct to get a replacement from Engineering, but the ducts are blocked by vines, so you search for herbicide components at-
Mandalorian was like that. Him needling that specific robot (instead of introducing a cool new character) oh no but memory chip! oh no but pirates! just felt like diverting the story down a slow chute of gaming busywork.
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Post by Saul1138 on Mar 7, 2023 10:05:41 GMT
I thought he wanted the droid to protect Grogu if he needed to nip off for a shit in his helmet, or there was something dangerous.
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Post by Binky on Mar 7, 2023 10:27:14 GMT
That green thing looked like something out of Fraggle Rock. I fail to see a problem with that.
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Post by darkling on Mar 7, 2023 11:04:07 GMT
As children, why are Mandalorians given child-sized helmets that they can never remove? Do the helmets magically grow as the wearer becomes an adult, or do wearers become horrifically deformed over time? I'm pretty sure it's never take them off around other people rather than actually never take them off. They still need to eat and drink. We'll yeah, it's a horribly impractical burden in a plethora of different ways, but the show makes such a big thing about removing the helmet (your very existence and identity as a Mandalorian) that I had to assume no Mandalorian ever removes it, for fear that someone will walk in on them during dinner.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Mar 7, 2023 11:24:53 GMT
Iirc He removes it in private in the season 1 episode based on magnificent seven. The one with the demon eyed AT-ST.
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Post by Reviewer on Mar 7, 2023 19:03:14 GMT
Yeah they can in private, although being permanently part of them would have been interesting.
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Post by aubergine on Mar 9, 2023 9:04:56 GMT
Episode 1 “I’m going on a dumb quest to fix a specific robot before the plot can move forward. Will not budge.”
Episode 2 “Psyche!”
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Post by Saul1138 on Mar 9, 2023 9:11:10 GMT
I still think that the IG plot made more sense than people are giving it credit for. After Kuill reprogrammed it, the droid sacrificed itself twice for Grogu. So, purely as a back up, you’d want 11 with you.
On top of that, it has additional functions and can survive in environments organics cannot.
I find the criticism that it can be restored, more pertinent. But again, what did Kuill change when he restored it?
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Post by aubergine on Mar 9, 2023 9:12:51 GMT
In fairness, I can’t remember anything about it.
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Post by Whizzo on Mar 9, 2023 10:04:08 GMT
IG-11 blew itself up in an explosion big enough to kill a bunch of stormtroopers while standing in a river of lava. How there was anything to recover at all was pushing things but rebuilding it it? Hmm.
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Post by wunty on Mar 9, 2023 10:29:44 GMT
Episode 1 “I’m going on a dumb quest to fix a specific robot before the plot can move forward. Will not budge.” Episode 2 “Psyche!” That was hilarious.
"I need this memory board"
"why don't you take this shitty astromech instead"
"no, but yes okay thanks bye"
Astromech is obviously needed to move twenty feet then vanish before Mando gets out his ship anyway.
Thank god for Grogu's little face because this show is - and I'm sorry - fucking stupid. Good fun though.
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Post by gamingdave on Mar 9, 2023 10:56:49 GMT
I still think that the IG plot made more sense than people are giving it credit for. After Kuill reprogrammed it, the droid sacrificed itself twice for Grogu. So, purely as a back up, you’d want 11 with you. On top of that, it has additional functions and can survive in environments organics cannot. I find the criticism that it can be restored, more pertinent. But again, what did Kuill change when he restored it? Yeah it really wasn't that confusing, he had too settle on R5 once he realised he wasn't going to get the part to fix IG. As to why he wanted IG I that was pretty obvious - but then, I did do a rewatch of S1&2 (plus the BOBF episodes) just before S3 so it is fresh in the mind. The restoration issues are legitimate, you'd think there would be nothing left at all, but then it's a fantasy show and I am happy to suspend disbelief. Really enjoyed last nights episode. Andor gave us a new type of Star Wars, and it was marvellous, but I also love this Saturday afternoon adventure style of Star Wars, and thanks to the amazing work of Doug Chiang everything looks and feels right. Amazed how much creativity goes into this for a TV show, and how big it all feels, it manages to look better than a lot of the MCU including some of the films a lot of the time.
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Post by LegendaryApe on Mar 9, 2023 11:19:49 GMT
As much as I love Mando this series so far has been fairly pants.
I liked the character as he was, to me, a sort of wish fulfillment character; resourceful, effective, intimidating and skilled enough to back it up. A typical video game protagonist. Add in the adorable sidekick and thrilling adventures and it was brilliant.
He was fairly bumbling in last night's episode, the plot makes no sense, I don't like the whole Mandalore arc. I haven't seen clone wars, so it might have helped me enjoy this aspect more.
But at the end of the day I enjoyed it. I'll be optimistic for the next episode.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2023 11:24:59 GMT
Yeah it's a bit rubbish. I don't care about anything that's happening.
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Post by aubergine on Mar 9, 2023 12:00:47 GMT
I thought the ending was cool. Presumably Starbuck will now be a true believer.
I don’t know any of the (Manda) lore outside of this show.
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Post by oldschoolsavant on Mar 9, 2023 12:51:39 GMT
Yep, it's almost equal amounts of stupid and cool stuff, but the stupid is the writing and cheesy trope moments, and the cool is all the filler stuff. Which doesn't really work at all. Bo's whatever-the-fuck-that-is-ship that's some nod to Maul's Interceptor(?), the Grevious-style scavanger, fitting for what was a polluted and destroyed world, the cheeky pilot reveal of it, the whole setting etc all cool. Djinn ? You okay ? What ? What are you trying to say ? "Behind you" Oh jesus. I would've eye-rolled so fucking hard if it wasn't so obvious, laughably so. He's a great navigator, thumbing the screen, and letting the R5 have some vague impression. Just as well it was set up beforehand, right ? And this amount of stupid would be okay, if it had been consistent, but it hasn't and it feels...incongruous, because we've had episodes where the writing/plotting were equally good. At the moment it's more Penny/Bones rescuing Insp. Gadget again, and has the whiff of Boba all over it. And again, as others have said, because I'm not neck deep in the ol' EU stuff, the other shows etc, I'm going to have to wait a few episodes for some bad exposition about what the hell the big fucker baptism was lorewise and whether Djinn was dragged or just bumblefuck fell. And how he'll suddenly be an inspiring new leader despite his ineptitude.
Jesus, the deification of an idiot bounty hunter, who has his moments sporadically enough to be believed in. That could be fun in a Life of Brian way.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Mar 9, 2023 13:22:19 GMT
R5 as in A New Hope R5?? Jeez, this is what's wrong with all the new star wars stuff... they are so desperate to cram in every reference to every character from the originals that it turns out the entire galaxy used to share a flat back in the day, and just conveniently all forgot each other. Mandalorian season 1 was great because it mostly avoided all that shit and introduced new characters, and all its references were Westerns. / end rant. I guess I should start watching it now.
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Post by gamingdave on Mar 9, 2023 13:33:18 GMT
And again, as others have said, because I'm not neck deep in the ol' EU stuff, the other shows etc, I'm going to have to wait a few episodes for some bad exposition about what the hell the ...
It was mentioned in the first season, and you can see symbols of it in a lot of Star Wars - but the main mention was in BOBF, and the 3 Mando episodes in that (at least certainly the first one) are important as to what is going on in this series, and particularly yesterdays episode. So if you haven't seen those, can understand it seeming a bit random. I can see why they wanted to overlap the two series, but I would prefer it if you didn't have to watch all the side bits to make sense of the main narratives - it's a bit too MCU.
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Post by neilch on Mar 9, 2023 13:57:05 GMT
I've treated BOBF as Mando S2.5, like side quests in the main story before rejoining for the finale
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Post by simple on Mar 9, 2023 14:23:37 GMT
I wasn’t expecting to see Morlocks but I guess Star Wars has always borrowed from older science fiction
Its still fine Saturday morning action but I do think its lost a bit of its zip and energy the deeper it gets into lore after the bounty of the week format of earlier seasons.
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Post by Whizzo on Mar 9, 2023 17:30:23 GMT
The writing is definitely off this season, for a hardened bounty hunter he seems to be more like Norman Wisdom in this episode. Din would have been rather fucked if Bo Katan had popped out for some milk earlier on and if he'd done what he intended solo he'd have drowned.
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Post by mcgeeza on Mar 9, 2023 17:54:58 GMT
Yeah bit presumptuous that Bo wouldn't be busy.
More to the point why didn't he just tell Grogu to crush Grievous 1.0's head with his force powers? Useless little twat.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Mar 9, 2023 19:18:28 GMT
Mythosaur is such a terrible name.
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