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Post by kal on Aug 28, 2023 15:38:04 GMT
Fawlty Towers has jokes you can’t actually hear because the audience are still laughing from the last one. There’s also jokes that the audience completely miss.
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Post by britesparc on Aug 28, 2023 20:16:58 GMT
Most sitcoms where you hear an audience laughing is an actual for-real audience laughing at those jokes. "Laugh tracks" are incredibly rare. Even if it's a pre-recorded out-of-studio bit, they usually used to screen it for an audience and record the laughter. I think (might be wrong tho) that when they started shooting Red Dwarf away from an audience they still screened it to get the laughs.
Pretty much all British sitcoms were filmed in front of an audience (up until about 20 years ago when it became unfashionable).
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Post by cubby on Aug 28, 2023 21:44:26 GMT
Mrs Brown's Boys is filmed in front of category A prisoners as part of their sentences.
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Post by baihu1983 on Aug 29, 2023 4:33:11 GMT
Nothing ever topped the Scooby-Doo cartoon having a laugh track for me.
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Post by Blue_Mike on Sept 14, 2023 23:24:10 GMT
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Post by Nanocrystal on Sept 15, 2023 0:51:12 GMT
Ooof.
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Post by 😎 on Sept 15, 2023 0:57:30 GMT
I…didn’t actually think it looked that bad. That it’s basically the setup of the original but reversed could work.
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Post by elstoof on Sept 15, 2023 6:24:29 GMT
I’ll watch it
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Post by darkling on Sept 15, 2023 6:37:46 GMT
It looks more competent than I expected, but I have reservations.
The original series worked because - nominally - the humour was derived from Frasier's family and friends encroaching on his bachelor lifestyle, such as arguments with his dad, them ruining his dates, and gunplay in his living room. Frasier's reaction to these situations was funny.
Now he's been flipped into the dad role, it rests on the shoulders of the son character to provide the humour and, judging by the trailer, I'm not immediately sold on him.
He just seems like "Joe Normal" along for the ride, with only basic generic responses to Frasier's intrusions. It seems like they're still relying on Kelsey Grammer for the laughs. It could still work, and I hope I'm wrong.
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Post by cubby on Sept 15, 2023 7:03:26 GMT
Freddy's always been where the show struggled, so it's interesting they've gone both feet first into having him as one of the main characters.
Doesn't look as bad as I was imagining, but the way it's shot some of the sets looks weirdly like the big bang theory.
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Post by elstoof on Sept 15, 2023 7:24:01 GMT
That’s my favourite thing about multicamera sitcoms, guessing where the set layout has been rehashed from. Oh look, it’s the same set as Family Reunion/2 & a half Men/Fresh Prince/Cosby Show and so forth
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Post by rhaegyr on Sept 15, 2023 7:29:08 GMT
I'll give it a go but I'm not banking on it being more than passable.
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Post by mothercruncher on Sept 15, 2023 7:41:27 GMT
I can’t get past looking at a plonker.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Sept 15, 2023 7:47:20 GMT
I can’t get past looking at a plonker. Yeah, it's weird. His character seems too similar to Rodney. Though I guess if he's a friend of Frasier then he's actually a smart one.
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Post by elstoof on Sept 15, 2023 8:00:06 GMT
He says two lines in the trailer and you’ve deduced the character is similar to another one he played 30 years ago?
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Post by Bill in the rain on Sept 15, 2023 8:00:50 GMT
Yup.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Sept 15, 2023 8:02:21 GMT
Actually, my deduction was the opposite, but the 2 lines and their delivery felt very Rodney.
Plus he looks kinda like Rodney.
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Post by elstoof on Sept 15, 2023 8:08:31 GMT
Now you mention it, the character has shades of the one he played in Piglet Files, the 2 of Us and Goodnight Sweetheart too
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Sept 15, 2023 8:13:58 GMT
Frasier but for a Modern audience!
We will see, Frasier and his pomposity or idiosyncrasies were often the target of the humour but it was spread about the cast.
I'm hoping it's not going to be a whole season of fish out of water.
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Post by cubby on Sept 15, 2023 9:45:12 GMT
One thing I've noticed is there's barely any frasier or cheers team involved. Seems like the same casting director and the director of the first episode is an old pro who's done almost every multi cam show in history. It feels like this is being run a lot more by Grammer.
The new producers/developers biggest credits are How I Met Your Mother and Life in Pieces. I really liked Life in Pieces, and there was a bit of Frasier's farcical nature in that, but the other guy being a writer on over 100 HIMYM eps is making me a bit worried, because that had terrible writing.
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Post by Reviewer on Sept 15, 2023 10:16:41 GMT
The main person that was involved before (David Angell) was killed in 9/11. The original series started to go downhill after that.
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Post by muddyfunster on Sept 15, 2023 11:06:43 GMT
That was quite a worrying trailer.
Frasier was never especially funny by himself, it relied heavily on constantly having his pomposity and carefully constructed lifestyle and image punctured by Niles, Martin, Roz and Daphne.
It's not clear from the trailer that the producers get this.
Before, Frasier was high status so it was fun to see him fail and make a tit of himself. Though I don't have any love for Kelsey Grammar, I'm not sure I'm up for watching Frasier at 70, still being belittled and humiliated by a younger generation.
If Martin had been the butt of the joke in the original it would also have seemed similarly uncomfortable. If it's his direct peers it's ok (Lyndhurst's role presumably) but punching down isn't. Feels like it'll really miss Niles for that reason.
They have a tricky task to make it work at all, especially if they're keeping Frasier as the centre piece and basing it heavily on his interactions with his son and daughter in law.
If they can still do escalating farce then maybe that'll save it, and I suppose they couldn't put anything complex in a short trailer.
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Post by Dougs on Sept 15, 2023 11:41:41 GMT
I'll give it a go but I'm not banking on it being more than passable. I think passable would be fine. That's just what it looks like to me. A bit blah but ultimately not terrible. I didn't watch the original once Niles and Daphne got together though. And yeah, Lyndhurst is playing the same character (just older) as all his other roles, but that's fine. That's what he does well.
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Post by darkling on Sept 15, 2023 17:44:18 GMT
That was quite a worrying trailer. Frasier was never especially funny by himself, it relied heavily on constantly having his pomposity and carefully constructed lifestyle and image punctured by Niles, Martin, Roz and Daphne. It's not clear from the trailer that the producers get this. Before, Frasier was high status so it was fun to see him fail and make a tit of himself. Though I don't have any love for Kelsey Grammar, I'm not sure I'm up for watching Frasier at 70, still being belittled and humiliated by a younger generation. If Martin had been the butt of the joke in the original it would also have seemed similarly uncomfortable. If it's his direct peers it's ok (Lyndhurst's role presumably) but punching down isn't. Feels like it'll really miss Niles for that reason. They have a tricky task to make it work at all, especially if they're keeping Frasier as the centre piece and basing it heavily on his interactions with his son and daughter in law. If they can still do escalating farce then maybe that'll save it, and I suppose they couldn't put anything complex in a short trailer. I think we're of the same opinion. Despite moving Frasier to the dad role, they appear to have kept him as the focus of the humour, when really the focus should move to his son. Going off the trailer, they're clearly going with the "dad intruding on his son" angle again, but they don't seem to realise it's the son's reaction that makes that angle funny, not the father's lack of consideration. Basically, Frasier turning into Martin, and Freddy turning into Frasier would have been the better angle, and inherently quite funny. "Like father, like son" is more true than most of us would like to admit, after all.
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Post by mothercruncher on Sept 15, 2023 17:50:46 GMT
Also definitely needs a Jack Russell for me, and I’ve yet to see one ☹️
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Post by elstoof on Sept 15, 2023 18:14:45 GMT
No one chews the scenery like a skint Kelsey Grammer. He’s 68, three of his seven kids are still in primary school and he’s not done much since frasier ended 20 years ago. I’m expecting the performance to end all performances
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Post by darkling on Sept 15, 2023 18:43:28 GMT
"Money Plane"
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Post by geefe on Sept 15, 2023 21:55:32 GMT
If you wanna bet on a guy fucking an alligator...
But tbf Niles made Frasier what it was. His delivery was spectacular.
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Post by Blue_Mike on Sept 27, 2023 0:35:33 GMT
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Post by Danno on Sept 27, 2023 0:45:25 GMT
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