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Post by cubby on Jun 19, 2022 22:24:15 GMT
Video games are addictive, aimed at people with spare cash, something that people play for unhealthy amounts of time, have whole communities based around talking about them, and fill the void in people's miserable existences which are only going to get more miserable. If anything the best thing that could happen to the video game companies is a catastrophic recession.
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Post by deebs on Jun 19, 2022 22:24:56 GMT
No micro point, just building my case that AAA games are nearing the end of their time, and AAA publishers are clutching at straws.
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Post by retro74 on Jun 19, 2022 22:29:01 GMT
Clearly weβre coming to the end of buying games in boxes from physical shops but thatβs about the only change
Movies, music, games - around forever. Just digital
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Post by γΉγ³γγγ©γ³γ on Jun 19, 2022 22:32:07 GMT
I don't really get the argument, Sony have a strong first party catalogue of games that sell fuckloads, they've unsurprisingly decided to sell some of them on PC to make more money and this is somehow a sign that consoles are doomed?
Elden Ring has sold 13 milion copies, a fucking weirdo Japanese ARPG that's difficult sells that much and the industry is doooooomed?
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jun 19, 2022 22:32:44 GMT
No micro point, just building my case that AAA games are nearing the end of their time, and AAA publishers are clutching at straws. Now this I agree with in terms of AAA production being unsustainable with how time and body intensive it is but at the same it's led to a buttload of independent game makers coming up and making less games by committee. |
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Post by deebs on Jun 19, 2022 22:32:57 GMT
I would argue that games are more temporary than ever. Once a games publisher controlled servers are turned off, it's done with. Games as a service deliberately number it's days until the sequel arrives.
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Post by One_Vurfed_Gwrx on Jun 19, 2022 22:32:59 GMT
I still remember the first videogame crash as being more of an American thing as consoles weren't really that big over here in the UK (bar the A2600 which never seemed that big over here to me). Yes we had a lot of unsuccessful home computers (from Tatung Einsteins through Enterprises and Prices etc and even the mildly more successful MSX) but the home computer market was really strong through the 'crash'. Admittedly floppies and cassettes were cheaper to produce so less risky than cartridges which probably helped. The first console I got that I really kept was a Saturn.
As for modern stuff I do tend to get quite a lot of AA stuff personally with the odd AAA big release and a smattering of Indies. Lack of time to play is my biggest current issue with games.
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Post by deebs on Jun 19, 2022 22:35:43 GMT
No micro point, just building my case that AAA games are nearing the end of their time, and AAA publishers are clutching at straws. Now this I agree with in terms of AAA production being unsustainable with how time and body intensive it is but at the same it's led to a buttload of independent game makers coming up and making less games by committee. Okay cool, we're on the same page after all. That's really all I'm getting at, I don't think the entire industry is going to fall down a hole never to return, I'm saying the big boys will have to either downsize and re-think their entire business plan, or struggle with increasing development times and costs for games that don't have a hope of achieving the type of sales needed for it to be worthwhile. |
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Post by cubby on Jun 19, 2022 22:38:10 GMT
Why didn't you put that as the thread title?
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jun 19, 2022 22:38:37 GMT
Ha, I know right.
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Post by γΉγ³γγγ©γ³γ on Jun 19, 2022 22:40:01 GMT
Haven't people being saying that for 15 years since the move to HD consoles with PS3 and 360? |
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Post by deebs on Jun 19, 2022 22:43:10 GMT
And as such, this is a crash in the same sense as the original from 83-85. The little guys trundle on doing their time while the big boys flounder about in a big pot of shit of their own devise. As One_Vurfed_Gwrx mentions, the crash wasn't even noticed in the UK because we weren't involved with Atari and Colecovision etc, it was all speccy, commodore and a couple of others that flew completely under that radar.
It's the exact same crash, just with bigger players.
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Post by cubby on Jun 19, 2022 22:43:57 GMT
I am worried that I have too much influence on shit that goes on here sometimes.
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Post by deebs on Jun 19, 2022 22:45:04 GMT
Why didn't you put that as the thread title? I thought it was obvious. I'll invite you round for tea and we'll discuss it before I make my next thread. |
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jun 19, 2022 22:45:12 GMT
I don't think it's even got much to do with dev costs. It's just the need for more and more profit
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jun 19, 2022 22:46:17 GMT
Haven't people being saying that for 15 years since the move to HD consoles with PS3 and 360? And it happened, the Ouya took over EVERYTHING. It still makes me chuckle that the gaming press took a cheap Android box that played mobile games super seriously but then again this was the time of Kickstarter in its pomp. |
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Post by π on Jun 19, 2022 22:47:12 GMT
Not to bring his name up but NotDale throwing a couple of hundred at that thing made me lol
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Post by Danno on Jun 19, 2022 22:48:11 GMT
I am worried that I have too much influence on shit that goes on here sometimes. cubby for mod please. |
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jun 19, 2022 22:49:04 GMT
What's a couple of hundred? A trip on a paving stone?
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jun 19, 2022 22:49:50 GMT
In my lurking days I distinctly remember him going on how revolutionary it would be, I mean it had the same innards as a shitty Chinese android gaming tablet. People were really smoking some shit back then.
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Post by γΉγ³γγγ©γ³γ on Jun 19, 2022 22:51:37 GMT
So basically nothing has changed, Dirtbox is doing the same "Oh noes, AAA games too expensive to develop, the end is nigh" that we've heard since the PS3 and AAA games continue to make more profits than blockbuster films.
Gotcha.
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Post by deebs on Jun 19, 2022 22:54:01 GMT
Not to bring his name up but NotDale throwing a couple of hundred at that thing made me lol I believe there were unboxing photos on the glorious day. So anyway, I take it no one actually disagrees with me then. Interesting. And ecosse, it was me who said that back then. I said at some point it would become unsustainable, and the industry would have to scale back. And when I can buy a game thrown together with assets from a humble bundle for half the price of a coffee and get more play time and fun out of it than I have with games that cost 100 mil and years to make, something has gone wrong somewhere. |
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Post by cubby on Jun 19, 2022 22:54:39 GMT
Why didn't you put that as the thread title? I thought it was obvious. I'll invite you round for tea and we'll discuss it before I make my next thread. Well you made comparisons with that title to a recession that contracted 97%. I'll do some title workshop with you it's cool. |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jun 19, 2022 22:55:09 GMT
I think it goes beyond financial cost and more into the physical cost and the time required to make a AAA game. GoW is ending at the sequel because the director has said a fill trilogy would take 15 years and with Bethesda announcing Fallout 6 that realistically won't be released until well after 2030.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jun 19, 2022 22:55:42 GMT
I think I'd be miserable just playing indie games. There are good ones but I kind of want to see cutting edge grafix and all that. What's the point of being in the future otherwise
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Post by deebs on Jun 19, 2022 22:56:28 GMT
I was under the apparently mistaken apprehension that people knew what happened with the original crash. It's slightly different, but only in scale.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jun 19, 2022 22:56:34 GMT
Not to bring his name up but NotDale throwing a couple of hundred at that thing made me lol I believe there were unboxing photos on the glorious day. So anyway, I take it no one actually disagrees with me then. Interesting. And ecosse, it was me who said that back then. I said at some point it would become unsustainable, and the industry would have to scale back. And when I can buy a game thrown together with assets from a humble bundle for half the price of a coffee and get more play time and fun out of it than I have with games that cost 100 mil and years to make, something has gone wrong somewhere. Well I fundamentally disagreed with your original thread title as did quite a few people. |
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jun 19, 2022 22:56:39 GMT
I think it goes beyond financial cost and more into the physical cost and the time required to make a AAA game. GoW is ending at the sequel because the director has said a fill trilogy would take 15 years and with Bethesda announcing Fallout 6 that realistically won't be released until well after 2030. They announced Fallout 6? |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jun 19, 2022 22:58:15 GMT
I think it goes beyond financial cost and more into the physical cost and the time required to make a AAA game. GoW is ending at the sequel because the director has said a fill trilogy would take 15 years and with Bethesda announcing Fallout 6 that realistically won't be released until well after 2030. They announced Fallout 6? Sorry brainfart. I meant Fallout 5 |
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Post by γΉγ³γγγ©γ³γ on Jun 19, 2022 22:59:34 GMT
Not to bring his name up but NotDale throwing a couple of hundred at that thing made me lol I believe there were unboxing photos on the glorious day. So anyway, I take it no one actually disagrees with me then. Interesting. And ecosse, it was me who said that back then. I said at some point it would become unsustainable, and the industry would have to scale back. And when I can buy a game thrown together with assets from a humble bundle for half the price of a coffee and get more play time and fun out of it than I have with games that cost 100 mil and years to make, something has gone wrong somewhere. What's gone wrong? Some people get more enjoyment out of arthouse films than big budget Hollywood films. As long as there is some variety and good quality games out there, it's all good. I still don't see what has changed to show the incoming apocalypse. |
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