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Post by deebs on Jun 19, 2022 21:04:48 GMT
Well I guess there's the absolutely MASSIVE install base of gamers that exist among consoles, Pc and mobile. You know, that little difference. If we're using recession as reason then what about the one in 2008? Did that cause a gaming crash because I remember around that same time like 2010, people were also saying console gaming was going to die because of mobile. And well we saw what happened there. A massive install base doesn't mean a lot if the games aren't worth buying/playing. Atari was a behemoth of a corporation and its grave is one of maybe thousands that litter the place along the way. And a recession is going to have a lot of people tightening their belts, and subscription fees are traditionally the first to go. You know, the subscription fees that are currently keeping the industries head above the water. |
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Post by deebs on Jun 19, 2022 21:08:42 GMT
I've barely used my PS5 in a year now and I think it's because there's a sense that there's nothing available that I haven't played before. Everything feels like a reskin of something else. I just can't be bothered with third person action games anymore. There have been very few blockbuster games released lately and even fewer that have delivered. I've tried a lot of games on PC and PS5 in that period and very few have held interest for more than a few hours. Subnautica below zero is the only one I've completed and even that was good but not as interesting as the first one. I can't see myself buying another game until Starfield and Monkey Island are released. Not sure if it's me getting old or game design getting stale or both. Very little impresses me any more. I'm just increasingly finding that I'd rather do other things with my limited free time. If it wasn't for iracing, my PC's graphics card wouldn't been out of idle state since Christmas. To be fair, I think a lot of that is just part of growing out of the hobby. I don't have much of anything I play anymore, and haven't for years, but I'm noticing a lot more backlash in general toward the industry when things don't turn out as expected. No Man's Sky is a good example of over-hyped and vastly under delivering, even if they tried to make amends in the end. |
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Post by Reviewer on Jun 19, 2022 21:09:21 GMT
People will only cancel those subscription fees when they need to save for a house deposit. That and takeaway coffees.
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Post by Frog on Jun 19, 2022 21:12:52 GMT
Not sure no man's sky is the example to make, yeah it underdelivered at launch but it's pretty much the biggest turnaround in videogame history and now delivers more than was ever promised. All of the contents since launch have been free of charge as well. It's not my sort of thing as it's a bit aimless but it's a very accomplished game nowadays.
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Post by sport✅ on Jun 19, 2022 21:12:56 GMT
DB on the sauce again?
/fires up trusty Ouya
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Post by deebs on Jun 19, 2022 21:20:38 GMT
Not sure no man's sky is the example to make, yeah it underdelivered at launch but it's pretty much the biggest turnaround in videogame history and now delivers more than was ever promised. All of the contents since launch have been free of charge as well. It's not my sort of thing as it's a bit aimless but it's a very accomplished game nowadays. It's a perfect example of poor quality control. It doesn't matter if you fix it down the line, the initial disappointment doesn't stop the vast majority who haven't been watching it's development on tenterhooks from still thinking it's shit and never wanting to go anywhere near another Hello Games offering for as long as they live. It's like EA releasing Battlefield 4 in an unplayable state for nearly an entire year after its release. Doesn't matter that they fixed it, they've tarnished the series forever. It's the downfalls that remain in the public mind, not the long slog required to repair them. |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jun 19, 2022 21:27:07 GMT
Eh, BF4 is one of if not the most loved entry in the series, they totally turned it around.
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Post by dfunked on Jun 19, 2022 21:27:23 GMT
I'd probably buy one of their games day one (again) in fairness. Launching in a hot mess and underdelivering on promises is obviously not cool, but fucking hell they stuck with it! I ended up having a great time with NMS, and they just kept adding more and more to it long after I stopped playing.
Devs/publishers that don't acknowledge and learn from their mistakes are the ones that I'll keep at arm's length. At least until well after the new game buzz has died off and we start to see actual player feedback.
Platinum - shitlist
Rockstar - shitlist
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Post by deebs on Jun 19, 2022 21:30:39 GMT
Eh, BF4 is one of if not the most loved entry in the series, they totally turned it around. Turned it around by doing the exact same thing for every release of the series since then? Not following. They're currently struggling to think of a way to make the current BF game free to play to keep the servers full without full on shitting on their paying customers who are gasping for promised, but undelivered new content. |
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Post by Frog on Jun 19, 2022 21:31:08 GMT
General consensus on battlefield 4 is that it was a massive success despite a bad launch.
Same with no man's sky, it now has a very positive opinion about the game.
I think you may be mistaking your feelings towards them with the general consensus. Fwiw I wouldn't be touching a hello games title at launch without seeing a good bit of it and am much the same with battlefield (only after the 2042 beta as there were loads of red flags).
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jun 19, 2022 21:34:02 GMT
Eh, BF4 is one of if not the most loved entry in the series, they totally turned it around. Turned it around by doing the exact same thing for every release of the series since then? Not following. They're currently struggling to think of a way to make the current BF game free to play to keep the servers full without full on shitting on their paying customers who are gasping for promised, but undelivered new content. How does link in anyway to the ENTIRE videogame industry crashing? |
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Post by deebs on Jun 19, 2022 21:34:26 GMT
Yes, the 2 or 3 people who frequented the No Man's thread are sure to agree with you.
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Post by deebs on Jun 19, 2022 21:38:22 GMT
Turned it around by doing the exact same thing for every release of the series since then? Not following. They're currently struggling to think of a way to make the current BF game free to play to keep the servers full without full on shitting on their paying customers who are gasping for promised, but undelivered new content. How does link in anyway to the ENTIRE videogame industry crashing? It doesn't. And I never at any point said the ENTIRE industry is going to crash, I even pinpointed exactly what is going to give way in a previous post. Shareholders and boardrooms are on the chopping block and mid-tier developers will be the new champions until they get too big and the cycle repeats. |
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Post by スコットランド on Jun 19, 2022 21:38:53 GMT
Eh? Weren't the latest consoles selling out almost as soon as they become available for months? Out of touch? There are too few to meet any demand, due to the chip shortage. And scalping has been fucking rampant. And despite that, the PS5 is outselling the PS4 at the same stage and the Switch is still selling like hot cakes after 5 years. I think things look rosier and more interesting than they did 5 or so years ago tbh. |
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Post by deebs on Jun 19, 2022 21:42:13 GMT
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Post by スコットランド on Jun 19, 2022 21:45:42 GMT
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Post by dfunked on Jun 19, 2022 21:46:55 GMT
I just don't know whose cherry picked article to believe any more...
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Post by deebs on Jun 19, 2022 21:48:40 GMT
I'm not sure comparing the sales of a last gen console to the sales of a current gen console during the same period of time means shit. Only that there are people still buying obsolete consoles.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jun 19, 2022 21:49:09 GMT
Crash was a shit mascot anyway. Who cares
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Post by 😎 on Jun 19, 2022 21:49:35 GMT
It’s not the same period of time, it’s the same stage of their respective lifecycles.
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Post by スコットランド on Jun 19, 2022 21:54:36 GMT
I'm as much of a moaning old "things were better in my day" old man gamer but having had in the last 5 years such utterly amazing games as BOTW and Elden Ring, high budget weird shit like Death Stranding, all sorts of indie nonsense, old franchise like Resident Evil coming out with their best entries in years, indie teams stepping up with the likes of Returnal, Japan continuing to be Japan and Nintendo still doing Nintendo along with solid hardware and controls which give us amazing visuals and sound, I'm pretty optimistic.
No-one barely notices EA any more, Iii that's not a good sign I don't know what is.
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Post by deebs on Jun 19, 2022 21:54:41 GMT
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Post by 😎 on Jun 19, 2022 21:58:11 GMT
I just don't know whose cherry picked article to believe any more...  |
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Post by スコットランド on Jun 19, 2022 21:58:34 GMT
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Post by deebs on Jun 19, 2022 22:02:15 GMT
Yeah, it's understandable given the chip shortage and all that, I'm not saying they aren't selling boxes, I'm saying not a lot of new games are being made for it. Remakes and remasters, sure.
That forbes link was weird though, it was practically an outright lie.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jun 19, 2022 22:07:31 GMT
Yeah, it's understandable given the chip shortage and all that, I'm not saying they aren't selling boxes, I'm saying not a lot of new games are being made for it. Remakes and remasters, sure. That forbes link was weird though, it was practically an outright lie. But you know the reason why a lot of next gen only games aren't being made you've literally just given the reason. |
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Post by deebs on Jun 19, 2022 22:12:49 GMT
This might seem like a zany concept, but you don't just make a game and release it. There is some development and marketing involved first. When you work that out, let me know why Konami got out of the industry. |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jun 19, 2022 22:15:40 GMT
Of course but the pandemic and the related chip shortage have had a massive effect on genuinely new games being delayed and the amount of games being cross gen.
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Post by deebs on Jun 19, 2022 22:17:05 GMT
Dev kits have been in developer's hands for 3 years.
I think a wider point is game development has reached a point where it's unsustainable. We've known that would be a thing for a long time, but we're at an almost photo-realistic stage with ray tracing and layered shaders and so on, but the amount of time that goes into making a game has gone from 2 guys, a pot of coffee and 3 weeks back in the Atari era to 5 years, $150 million and a cast of thousands now.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jun 19, 2022 22:20:59 GMT
And developers would know of target specs before that, they're not working in the dark here. Also what macro point are you trying to make?
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