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Post by MysteryLamb on Aug 16, 2022 16:15:48 GMT
Very satisfying conclusion.
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Post by Danno on Aug 16, 2022 19:18:46 GMT
Yeah, that was pretty spot on. I really (continue to) hate Marie. |
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Post by Tomo on Aug 16, 2022 19:46:26 GMT
That was so good. I feel a bit emosh
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Post by Tomo on Aug 16, 2022 19:47:15 GMT
Just wow, what an episode. What a series. After 11 seasons basically. Just wow.
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Post by Danno on Aug 16, 2022 20:20:43 GMT
Such an anti-climactic climax in a lot of ways. And I'm not saying that as a bad thing |
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Post by Vandelay on Aug 16, 2022 20:24:13 GMT
Yeah, agree with everyone else, this was perfect. Loved every minute of that, after being a little disappointed by the last few episodes (well, I liked the penultimate episode quite a bit).
Even the flashback pieces were handled brilliantly.
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Post by damagedinc on Aug 16, 2022 20:52:41 GMT
Perfect sign off. Gutted it's all over but it's time to let go.
Wasn't expecting Jimmy to make the right choice at the end. Thought he was going to go nuclear.
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Post by Danno on Aug 16, 2022 20:56:44 GMT
Perfect sign off. Gutted it's all over but it's time to let go. Wasn't expecting Jimmy to make the right choice at the end. Thought he was going to go nuclear. Jimmy vs Saul. When Kim's involved there's only one winner |
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Post by geefe on Aug 16, 2022 21:30:31 GMT
I never understood the hate for Marie. Other than the kleptomania stuff but she was right to hate Walt. I also admired her devotion to purple. Been rewatching the ending of BB in tandem and just had the Granite State episode. That scene is pretty much the only one of those cameos I'd have done. As others said, I think it was done to correct how they ended BB. Am both pleased and disappointed I called pretty much everything. Would have liked just a LITTLE unexpected stuff. Good use of colour at the end and I liked the device of regret. I think the Chuck scene hit hardest. |
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Post by Danno on Aug 16, 2022 21:54:48 GMT
I never understood the hate for Marie. Other than the kleptomania stuff but she was right to hate Walt. I also admired her devotion to purple.[ She reminds me of too many RL people that need to mind their own fucking business/ought to look closer to home before casting aspersions. I'm sure that the idea for her is somewhere between mild dislike and outright hatred, so no harm done |
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Post by Tomo on Aug 16, 2022 22:05:27 GMT
I loved the flashback scenes. They were so poignant. Mike's was my favourite – so beguiling hearing him indulge his imagination when normally he's so clinical. And knowing his fate, it was crushing hearing him reminisce in such a heartfelt way. Despite probably killing more than any of the other characters, somehow he's the kindest of the lot. Such an amazing character
The Walt flashback was so good too. Like slipping on old shoes hearing him obsess about the gas pipe and rant and rave at Saul. And I loved how contrasted his response to the time travel question compared to Mike earlier. Also, Walt is really the only person that can actually make Saul STFU. The look on his face when Walt said he would use any lawyer bar him was so unlike Saul in his shiny suit and ridiculous tie.
Episode MVP was definitely Oakley. His comic timing was on point. What an episode to come to the fore.
I LOVED the interrogation and court scenes. So much of the earlier series of BCS especially were set in court rooms, it was really fitting to return and end there.
I also loved the prisoners high-fiving Saul in the kitchen. Completely at home with a dough mixer, drug dealers and murderers. It was just perfect.
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Post by Tomo on Aug 16, 2022 22:09:09 GMT
Oh god Marie... that opening salvo. Absolutely brutal. The memories of Hank being gunned down. I'll never forget those last 3 episodes of BB and her description of her pain and the brutality of his murder brought it all back for me. Absolutely horrendous.
And then Saul gradually laying on thicker and thicker his preposterous response... hilarious and awful at the same time.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Aug 17, 2022 7:18:31 GMT
God, I don't know how I'll fill that BB Universe hole now, probably just watch it all again tbh. I thought Walt's last ever line; "So you've ALWAYS been like this" summed up Jimmy/Saul perfectly past, present and future. Even after he'd made the ultimate sacrifice and owned up to everything, as soon as he was on the prison bus and getting recognised the facade of being "Jimmy" was dropping. The scene in the prison pushed that further, he had a pretty cushy job by prison standards and seemed tight with the other prisoners, so he's obviously managed to do the Saul thing and barter his way to better things even in the prison he specifically wanted to avoid. |
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Post by Vandelay on Aug 17, 2022 7:42:09 GMT
I actually don't agree and think there is more going on than you say: I don't think we can see Walt's description as accurate. His "You've always been like this" is just another instance of him looking down on other people and thinking he is better than all around him. That line applies much more to Walt than it does to Jimmy/Saul. There is a Superman/Clark Kent vs. Peter Parker/Spider-Man thing going on here, namely that we have a question around who is the real person and who is the alter-ego. For me, the invented Heisenberg is really who he is and Walter White is the fake persona. Conversely, Jimmy is the real person and Saul Goodman is the alter-ego, a facade for Jimmy to hide behind. Although, in the end, he does accept that he can't run from Saul anymore, there is still that longing that he could. He wants to go back to just hanging out with Kim sharing a fag outside her office. By contrast, we see Walt reminiscing about his time as this all powerful drug dealing kingpin in his final moments. |
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Post by geefe on Aug 17, 2022 7:54:17 GMT
Agree with the above. They said the scenes we had from BB were meant to reframe our understanding. Walt wasn't an anti-hero. He was a dickhead of the highest order. His speech revealed that he was always a cock and his friends wanted nothing to do with him. He was "managed out". He separated himself from them by calling it his discovery and they just wanted to commercialise it. The "you've always been like this" line was a reflection on both of them.
Jimmy has tried, numerous times, to do the right thing and been shafted by people - Chuck, sandpiper, etc. So the series was about him learning to accept that he's a knob and leaning into that.
Walt was always trying to justify himself.
Gutted we didn't get Anna Gunn or Walt Jr to round everything out. |
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Post by damagedinc on Aug 17, 2022 7:55:10 GMT
God, I don't know how I'll fill that BB Universe hole now, probably just watch it all again tbh. I thought Walt's last ever line; "So you've ALWAYS been like this" summed up Jimmy/Saul perfectly past, present and future. Even after he'd made the ultimate sacrifice and owned up to everything, as soon as he was on the prison bus and getting recognised the facade of being "Jimmy" was dropping. The scene in the prison pushed that further, he had a pretty cushy job by prison standards and seemed tight with the other prisoners, so he's obviously managed to do the Saul thing and barter his way to better things even in the prison he specifically wanted to avoid. Haha that's what I'm doing. Just finished s.2 of BB. For about the 4th time |
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Aug 17, 2022 8:08:51 GMT
I do agree RE: Walt, but tbf I've held the same view of him since Breaking Bad. A lot of the last string of episodes very much drummed in "we are what we are and we can't escape it" to me. It started with Fring in the wine bar and after that the characters all kind of fell into the same string of actions you'd expect of them. It was refreshing for there not to be some bullshit twist for the sake of it.
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Post by Binky on Aug 17, 2022 8:47:35 GMT
Adding my voice to the "that was a perfect finale" crowd.
Loved the imagery, the dialogue, the closure; all of it. Bravo.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Aug 17, 2022 9:03:15 GMT
One of the only things I'll ever be able to rewatch knowing it isn't going to unravel into disappointment. Some job considering there's like 14 years worth of stuff there.
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Post by darkling on Aug 17, 2022 9:09:12 GMT
I really enjoyed the final episode. Pretty perfect in a lot of ways, and I'm glad we got a "happy" ending of sorts, or at least one where the good in Jimmy prevailed.
The only thing I'm a little confused about is why Kim wasn't prosecuted when she "spilled her guts" about Howard... At this point I had to assume she'd delivered a version of events to the police that exonerated herself (given she was free and wasn't arrested) so at this point I assumed she wasn't at risk of prosecution.
I also don't know why Jimmy's confession delivered in court was all taken at face value and she was allowed to walk free. Just seems very unlikely, but then I don't know how the US prosecution system works, and I'm happy to go along with how events unfolded, because it was a very fitting ending. |
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Post by Tuffty on Aug 17, 2022 9:14:33 GMT
I think its incredible that when the idea first came to light, everyone including me, was like 'Ugh a Saul prequel?' 'Episodic dark comedy of Saul Goodman, I dunno' and instead it's become something so much more. A fantastic prequel to one of the best TV series ever and maybe even equals if not betters it in some respects. Kim Wexler one of the greatest TV characters. Shows how to stick the landing right at the very end too. I'm OK if they don't come back to this setting but it will be missed.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Aug 17, 2022 9:16:32 GMT
Yeah I very much thought it was going to be lucky to get more than 1 series at the time. That some might argue it's even better than the already all-time-great series it spun off from won't be happening again in a hurry.
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Post by Vandelay on Aug 17, 2022 9:32:51 GMT
Yeah, same. I really wasn't thinking this would be any good when I first heard about it. Interestingly, they managed to continue the comedic elements right through, despite often feeling a more semi-realistic show and less pulpy than BB (outside the Nacho/Salamanca sections, which were personally my least favourite parts).
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Post by Mark1412 on Aug 17, 2022 9:33:59 GMT
Good ending, as good as we could have hoped for I think and importantly the right ending for the character. Glad he chose Jimmy . Flashbacks were great. |
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Post by geefe on Aug 17, 2022 9:47:59 GMT
I enjoyed Nacho more than most just because he was completely unknown. I was never enamoured with the Gus stuff. It was ok but didn't really do it for me.
On balance, I think it could have all been done in 3-4 series, rather than 6.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Aug 17, 2022 10:16:10 GMT
I thought Lalo got a bit too comic book pretty much from his Villa ambush on, but there have always been elements of silliness in there.
Only characters I struggled to get on board with between the two shows were the Nazis.
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Post by hedben on Aug 17, 2022 10:18:11 GMT
I reckon I've made more audible gasps watching Breaking Bad or Better Call Saul than I have in any other show. The bit where Saul's replying to Marie and saying he's the victim, then the moment where he deliberately drops the facade and changes from Jimmy to Saul without saying a word- absolutely brilliant, perfectly delivered. I was practically on my feet. And then the line about jurors - "I only need one" - superb. |
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Post by cristar on Aug 17, 2022 10:58:57 GMT
I agree with whoever said about not liking Marie. Banging on about Hank being such a good guy. No. Just like all the characters from BB, he was a dickhead. A big racist and just generally a piece of shit. Was a great ending though. Did it seem like Jimmy and Kim would continue to meet up? He seems in his element in prison. Overall preferred BCS to BB, because I loved the characters a lot more. But both are one in the same more or less. Need a BB rewatch. |
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Post by Tuffty on Aug 17, 2022 11:00:36 GMT
It really has been so long since I watched it but I don't even remember how the Nazis got involved at all.
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