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Post by Danno on Aug 9, 2022 10:48:44 GMT
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Post by Whizzo on Aug 9, 2022 12:33:27 GMT
The beginning of the episode was like Kim was in Purgatory, the life she's now got is just so bland they didn't need to film it in black and white. Hopefully finally admitting what she's done gives her a course correction because she's clearly just going through the motions of living. Jimmy/Saul/Gene is unlikely to ever face up to what he's done. I guess we've got one more episode to find out...
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Post by MysteryLamb on Aug 9, 2022 14:24:40 GMT
Great episode. Great show. I'm happy that it's ending though and in a proper way that it deserves. I'm ready to see what the creators do next and I'm hoping its something completely new and fresh.
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Post by Whizzo on Aug 9, 2022 15:18:14 GMT
Vince Gilligan has said his next project is very different from what he's done before but he's extended his contract with Sony Pictures Television as he's very happy there.
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Post by geefe on Aug 9, 2022 20:57:58 GMT
As soon as Kim came out to smoke I knew that (not so little) sod was going to show up. They actually teased it earlier with a reference to Alaska. I did think that the scenes they filmed were all in ABQ, so nothing modern.
Could have done without that scene.
Rest of the episode - YEP.
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Post by damagedinc on Aug 9, 2022 21:08:39 GMT
Ahhhh shit didn't realise there was only one left!
Brilliant episode, however I think BCS never needed jesse and walt to make an appearance. I know that it has been mentioned since the show started but it is strong enough to hold its own. They can get away with walt bit jesse is not the young "biitch" he was and just seemed a bit forced.
Thhhhhhat said. This episode was brilliant and heart breaking. Seeing where Kim has ended up and the break down on the bus : (
Cant work saul out, don't know if he just wants to get caught or if he has just got full of it after finding out he's the only one left alive.
Wonder if his last act will be to exonerate Kim in some way
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Post by geefe on Aug 9, 2022 21:12:03 GMT
Well Saul is the only one who can testify against her.
My thoughts are he gets his Chuck-esque court moment, goes to prison for....10 years? It's in colour. Montage of his time and scamming people. Last scene is him coming out, having finally accepted himself and embracing all sides.
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Post by MolarAmšµ on Aug 10, 2022 1:12:16 GMT
I'm glad that Kim is ok. She's at her best when she's helping people, so hopefully she can do her time and come out the other side a better person.
Saul... I don't know what I want to happen to him. He always seems to get mad when other people try to change and make amends, probably because it makes him feel bad that he can't do those things. I guess I want him to be happy, but I don't think he's ever been capable of that.
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Post by minimatt on Aug 10, 2022 9:33:22 GMT
Anyone think some of the camera work & costume/makeup design in the last few BCS episodes have been designed to evoke a similarity between Gene (saul/jimmy, but particularly in his Gene phase) and Walter White? The darkly lit shot with half obscured face, balding, glasses, 'tache, menacing look as he observes an innocent as an obstacle?
Walter went from "ordinary man in awful situation" to "complete cunt" quite quickly. Jimmy's journey from "loveable rogue who can never quite catch a break" has been far more subtle but I think the destination is the same.
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Post by geefe on Aug 10, 2022 9:57:30 GMT
Absolutely. Tbf I'd say they've been a bit heavy with it, really and I don't think it's actually a similarity that needs to be made. They have different reasons and motivations.
Even down to the details, they're drawing attention to Walt. EG: one of the scams he pulled with the identity theft had him looking at a guy's investment portfolio and it was $737,000 - the same amount Walt needed in BB series 2.
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Post by minimatt on Aug 10, 2022 10:05:23 GMT
it was $737,000 - the same amount Walt needed in BB series 2. bloody hell that's some memory and yeah, some dedication to the call backs
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Post by geefe on Aug 10, 2022 10:21:57 GMT
it was $737,000 - the same amount Walt needed in BB series 2. bloody hell that's some memory and yeah, some dedication to the call backs Don't get me started. Some other things of note. spoilery as fuck. Emilio, Saul's client after Kim, is in the first ep of BB and is the one killed by Walt in the Bounder. When Jesse takes Walt to Saul, he says that Saul got him off twice.
Jesse talking about Combo being represented by Kim in juvenile court, is a reference to series 2, when he was shot by the kid. As Hank was explaining to the DEA, Combo was so low profile they didn't know who he was. His only previous rap was "stealing a baby jesus when he was a kid".
The awkward thing with that, though, is that it places the scene in 2004 when Jesse is supposed to be 20. Not buying that, Aaron.
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Post by damagedinc on Aug 10, 2022 11:12:38 GMT
After sleeping on this i am still so gutted for Kim, not sure she deserves any forgiveness though, she's just as culpable as saul.
The only thing I would say Kim's mum was a bad influence on her and she obviously made roads to make a "good" life for herself. Saul brought all that back and she couldn't resist. So in some ways she has always tried to be good. Bit like jesse in BB.
Watching hee punish herself Is truly heart breaking and so sad when you think what she could have achieved if it wasn't for the toxic partnership of saul and her.
Going back to my post yesterday on regards to saul "exonerating" her. I meant more from a psychological pov. If he takes all the blame says Kim had nothing to do with it and it was his influence bla bla, along with confessing be in a positions to go back to practising law?
Just not sure she would ever give that to herself. Some how her ending in purgatory feels right for her character however depressing it is.
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Aug 11, 2022 9:41:36 GMT
Ahhhh shit didn't realise there was only one left! Brilliant episode, however I think BCS never needed jesse and walt to make an appearance. I know that it has been mentioned since the show started but it is strong enough to hold its own. They can get away with walt bit jesse is not the young "biitch" he was and just seemed a bit forced. Thhhhhhat said. This episode was brilliant and heart breaking. Seeing where Kim has ended up and the break down on the bus : ( Cant work saul out, don't know if he just wants to get caught or if he has just got full of it after finding out he's the only one left alive. Wonder if his last act will be to exonerate Kim in some way I found the bus scene incredibly upsetting, moving. If one scene recently has wordlessly captured the sheer brilliance of this show that was it.
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Post by Tomo on Aug 11, 2022 11:25:43 GMT
It's been a great show and I think they deserve a lot of credit for the fast-forward too. Prequel shows often rely on joining up the dots in interesting or clever ways to generate interest, but given you know the fates of most characters they can end in underwhelming fashion. The fast-forwards aren't reliant on nostalgia for dramatic effect - I just really wanna know what's gunna happen to Saul. And again, like Walt, I've gone from loving Saul to being completely torn - the impact on Kim is distressing, it's hard not hate him.
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Post by Vandelay on Aug 14, 2022 20:36:40 GMT
Finally now all caught up, after starting BCS from the beginning again 3 or so months ago ahead of the finale. Agree with comments about Kim's ending (so far) being incredibly sad. Going into this season, I was expecting that she would end up in jail or be killed, but this was portrayed as a much worse existence for her. This incredibly smart and strong willed women is left in this completely mundane life where she appears to offer up very little agency of her own. Handing in her statement on Howard's death felt like a bit of a release for her and hopefully will turn her life around, even if it does mean some jail time. Have felt that these last few episodes have been a little meandering. It wasn't really until the last scene or two of the last episode that we really got much of a sense as to what direction Gene's story would be heading in. The scams have been sort of enjoyable on their own, but have also felt an odd choice for the final episodes, particularly after such tension in the pre-BB timeline. Edit: also, did anyone notice the weird split second image of someone in silhouette that appeared at the end of the title sequence? I had forgotten about it, but just went back and managed to get a freeze of it. Think it was Kim, but not certain.
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Post by hedben on Aug 15, 2022 6:28:40 GMT
I donāt think Kimās doing any jail time, it was pretty explicitly stated that the DA might not be interested in bringing a case against her. And Howardās widow isnāt going to sue either - not like she needs the money. But yeah things havenāt turned out great for her, and it feels like her story isnāt over yet - I kind of hope she gets a happier ending but who knows.
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Post by Tuffty on Aug 15, 2022 12:10:56 GMT
I think that's a wrap on Kim's story personally. A powerful moment on a late night bus to solidify that whoever comes into contact with Jimmy is gonna get it rough (granted Kim also made the bad decision to stay)
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Post by Tomo on Aug 15, 2022 12:23:35 GMT
Vandelay I enjoyed them a lot, but I know what you mean about the scam episodes. Given this is the climax of 6 seasons (+ arguably all of BB too) it seems jarring suddenly having a noodle about a department store. But, the point is obviously that despite making cinnamon rolls for ages, Saul can't help himself with these elaborate schemes. That and obviously he needed a way to get the guy off his back who recognised him. Used his old tricks to solve his latest problem. Also, his lack of empathy in particular with the cancer guy really shows how nasty he can be after years of being in the game, again like Walt.
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Post by damagedinc on Aug 15, 2022 12:28:17 GMT
Also like walt knowing cancer means fuck all on if someone is a nice guy or not.
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Post by damagedinc on Aug 15, 2022 12:31:57 GMT
I feel like I need more closure for Kim but agree, I don't think we will get much more on her.
Only options would be to see her "happy" and pursue a legal career again
(Don't think this would fit where they've taken her)
Find saul
(Also don't think this will happen)
Goes to jail
(As above. She's pretty much confirmed that this wouldn't happen, although possible if saul gets arrested and takes her down with him. Possibly something I could see gene doing)
Life remains status quo
(Most likely outcome and if so we don't need to see anymore than what we have)
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Post by geefe on Aug 15, 2022 13:03:07 GMT
It's tricky. Now Kim has outed herself as being a witness (and possible accessory) to Saul Goodman, rather than Jimmy McGill - he is the last available person to get their pound of flesh for Walt.
Given Saul is now known to be alive, it's highly possible it's now in the DA's interest to take it to court, which would make Kim the available witness. However, there is no physical evidence to support her claims and she has no bearing on the Walter White case.
I still think Saul ends up in prison and actually loves it because he can sort everyone out with advice, then becomes the Go To. Also think we get a time jump to his release.
"I shaved YEARS off my own sentence. I'll fight for you, Albuquerque!"
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Post by hedben on Aug 15, 2022 16:05:08 GMT
"I shaved YEARS off my own sentence. I'll fight for you, Albuquerque!" Itās not that I donāt like this idea, but doing prison time would presumably also lead to being dis-barred and unable to practice law.
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Post by damagedinc on Aug 15, 2022 16:41:15 GMT
"I shaved YEARS off my own sentence. I'll fight for you, Albuquerque!" Itās not that I donāt like this idea, but doing prison time would presumably also lead to being dis-barred and unable to practice law. Depends on what kind of criminal lawyer your after i guess
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Post by damagedinc on Aug 15, 2022 16:46:06 GMT
I can't think of an ending that would satisfy me. I don't think they will kill him off, be too similar to walt.
Vincent etc always have portrayed a "crime doesn't pay" aspect to BB/BCS, so imagine without him dying we will get him in prison. He's already ended up like Kim (gene) and we know how that's gone.
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Post by š on Aug 16, 2022 2:41:11 GMT
Honestly, I thought that was damn near perfect. Resolved things without too much shock or unexpected drama, no big twist, a few perfect cameos, andā¦itās done.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2022 9:16:44 GMT
Yeah, that was perfect- writing, acting, everything
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Post by Whizzo on Aug 16, 2022 10:05:16 GMT
Vince Gilligan and everyone involved in BCS shows the world how you stick the landing.
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Post by Duffman5 on Aug 16, 2022 10:05:51 GMT
I had saved last weeks episode, so I could watch them together, absolutely brilliant. The only bit that took me out of it was Jessie, much like last time, love the character but so not needed and he looks so much older (of course) and " heavier" I think it is because he looked younger for his years and was built like a "racing snake" (as my pa used to call me, when I was young!)
I already miss BCS
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Post by MolarAmšµ on Aug 16, 2022 10:45:58 GMT
I liked that the last we'll ever see of Walt was him as a petty, arrogant shit, instead of the ridiculous power fantasy we got at the end of the original series. This is a better footnote for the character imo.
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