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Post by kal on Dec 7, 2023 11:32:11 GMT
It was at the time. I don’t really why it would be any more controversial today than it was then.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2023 11:35:03 GMT
Just give Rockstar the Star Wars licence and see what magic they can come up with. I saw a thread on Twitter about ‘what could a new R* franchise in the style of GTA/Red Dead be’ and some sort of futuristic sci-fi type thing seems to be the favourite answer. I wonder if they will ever do something else. I know there’s been the odd foray like Manhunt and Table Tennis but it would be cool to see a proper full scale mega R* game that wasn’t GTA or Red Dead. Some sort of Han Solo style smuggler set in some shit hole space system with loads of different crime factions on different planets would be a dream game from them. |
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Post by elstoof on Dec 7, 2023 11:36:19 GMT
Warriors was a bit shit. So was Bully/canis canem edit
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Post by dfunked on Dec 7, 2023 11:36:29 GMT
Yeah, the tone of the manhunt games never appealed to me. I realise it probably sounds like a weird complaint seeing as I've churned through millions of bad dudes in other games, but those just felt a bit icky.
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Post by kal on Dec 7, 2023 11:37:04 GMT
Warriors was a bit shit. So was Bully/canis canem edit Nooooooo Bully was great! |
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Post by nexus6 on Dec 7, 2023 11:38:01 GMT
It was at the time. I don’t really why it would be any more controversial today than it was then. Totally. Was it PS2? Graphics weren't all that. Doing the same things now with basically photo-real visuals would, for me, push it in to somewhere I wouldn't really want to go. Asks the question of what it's for. Or it would be really successful and just what post-Tory Britain needs |
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Post by kal on Dec 7, 2023 11:43:23 GMT
It was at the time. I don’t really why it would be any more controversial today than it was then. Totally. Was it PS2? Graphics weren't all that. Doing the same things now with basically photo-real visuals would, for me, push it in to somewhere I wouldn't really want to go. Asks the question of what it's for. Or it would be really successful and just what post-Tory Britain needs As I said earlier “almost photo real” is something we’ve been saying about graphics for at least 20 years and in another 20 years will still be saying. That bar will always keep moving. I’m old enough to remember when Death Wish 3 was photo realistic and hugely controversial. I don’t think anything would change if Manhunt came out again now. |
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Post by rhaegyr on Dec 7, 2023 11:49:05 GMT
Bully didn't play that well but the setting and atmosphere were spot on.
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Post by Whizzo on Dec 7, 2023 11:49:30 GMT
Best thing for me about Manhunt was the use of the PS2 headset, having Brian Cox in your ear talking to you and enemies being able to hear you was quite novel for the time. Calling out to attract someone over to where you could ambush them and brain them with a baseball bat never got old.
Very much doubt anyone would greenlight a new version though, the sequel had a lot of trouble getting certified and unless they went retro on the graphics it would be too much.
The Last of Us Part II is probably as far as you could go with the violence really, maybe the Remastered roguelite mode will scratch a Manhunt 3 itch?
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Post by nexus6 on Dec 7, 2023 11:50:05 GMT
Yeah it's a relative term of course. I still see it being very controversial if it were released now, knowing it was at the time, and see it being worse now.
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Post by dangerousdave on Dec 7, 2023 11:57:19 GMT
I didn’t know Professor Brian Cox was in Manhunt.
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Post by barchetta on Dec 7, 2023 12:00:52 GMT
Manhunt was one the grimiest games I've ever played, but certainly had an atmosphere.
Might dig it out but I reckon best left to the rose-tinted memories of gaming past.
Never got to try Manhunt 2 - wasn't that also a Wii-based effort? I can see why motion controls could add an extra dimension to the murder and mutilation but that is quite the shift from the general Wii fare I remember.
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Post by mrpon on Dec 7, 2023 12:17:36 GMT
Yeah, came with plastic sword attachment. Witchking loved it.
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Post by zisssou on Dec 7, 2023 12:19:46 GMT
I think it's just a case of that Rockstar games pre GTA IV have gameplay that has aged fairly poorly. I've been re-playing San Andreas on and off since the Trilogy came out, and the shooting is abysmal. You also need to top up your armour, otherwise you're dead fairly quickly. But maybe it's just me being shitter at games these days.
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Post by Lukus on Dec 7, 2023 12:37:54 GMT
I reckon a pirate setting would be great. Hanging out in bars, getting into scrapes, recruiting a crew, doing petty crime, going from island to island, getting caught up in wars and revolutions... All the usual GTA stuff, but in a really interesting part of history.
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Post by nexus6 on Dec 7, 2023 12:46:32 GMT
I reckon a pirate setting would be great. Hanging out in bars, getting into scrapes, recruiting a crew, doing petty crime, going from island to island, getting caught up in wars and revolutions... All the usual GTA stuff, but in a really interesting part of history. Tai-Pan on speccy www.crashonline.org.uk/43/taipan.htm |
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Post by Bill in the rain on Dec 7, 2023 13:53:47 GMT
Doom was photo-realistic graphics when it came out, and the papers were up in arms!
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Post by rawshark on Dec 7, 2023 14:38:17 GMT
Doom was photo-realistic graphics when it came out, and the papers were up in arms! Its odd looking back at it. Just because there were a few gizzards here and there. I remember my dad watching people play Street Fighter 2, seeing someone beat up Chun Li, and pulling me away saying “that’s just sick.” Don’t know how he’d have coped if he’d seen Kung Lao’s hat/buzzsaw fatality in the later Mortal Kombat games. |
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Post by Psiloc on Dec 7, 2023 14:44:04 GMT
I reckon a pirate setting would be great. Hanging out in bars, getting into scrapes, recruiting a crew, doing petty crime, going from island to island, getting caught up in wars and revolutions... All the usual GTA stuff, but in a really interesting part of history. Heh me and a mate have actually talked at length about a theoretical Read Dead Pirates |
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Post by drhickman1983 on Dec 7, 2023 14:54:11 GMT
Problem is pirates have been done quite a bit by other games, albeit not in the way Rockstar would do it.
I'm not sure I'd really like a satirical take on pirates, something more like Read Dead Redemption, maybe.
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Post by Psiloc on Dec 7, 2023 14:57:54 GMT
Well that's the thing, I can see it really lending itself to the R*/RDR style
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Post by Bill in the rain on Dec 7, 2023 15:11:46 GMT
Doom was photo-realistic graphics when it came out, and the papers were up in arms! Its odd looking back at it. Just because there were a few gizzards here and there. I remember my dad watching people play Street Fighter 2, seeing someone beat up Chun Li, and pulling me away saying “that’s just sick.” Don’t know how he’d have coped if he’d seen Kung Lao’s hat/buzzsaw fatality in the later Mortal Kombat games. I remember thinking Kingpin was the point at which games became so realistic that the violence was too much. *shrug* |
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Post by kal on Dec 7, 2023 15:16:27 GMT
I’d honestly be amazed if there wasn’t “video games are too violent” headlines in relation to Pac-Man and Space Invaders.
Again Deathwish 3 was first game I remember causing widespread outrage. The people that swept up the remains of bodies after you used a rocket launcher was kind of ridiculous.
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Post by alastair on Dec 7, 2023 15:18:38 GMT
I reckon a pirate setting would be great. Hanging out in bars, getting into scrapes, recruiting a crew, doing petty crime, going from island to island, getting caught up in wars and revolutions... All the usual GTA stuff, but in a really interesting part of history. Sid Meir's Pirates, but in 3rd person. And with fewer dancing minigames. I enjoyed Bully and a revamp might be fun to play, but would it meet kal's 'new franchise' definition? Seeing as it's absolutely not 'new'... |
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Post by alastair on Dec 7, 2023 15:21:37 GMT
I’d honestly be amazed if there wasn’t “video games are too violent” headlines in relation to Pac-Man and Space Invaders. Complaints about kids getting obsessed and pumping money into machines perhaps. Surely no one could consider those as 'violent'. I was there as a child, but I don't remember any moral panic. |
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Post by rawshark on Dec 7, 2023 15:37:44 GMT
Remember the Night Trap furore? Grainy footage of teens not being molested by guys dressed in bin bags. Good times.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Dec 7, 2023 15:43:04 GMT
Remember the Night Trap furore? Grainy footage of teens not being molested by guys dressed in bin bags. Good times. I remember it being more about them saying the girls were essentially naked like a porno (they weren't) and the vampires were basically satanic imagery try to convince god fearing children that satan was cool. Obviously as you got older you found out that the people protesting it had never even seen the game. It really is the same bullshit different era. |
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Post by rawshark on Dec 7, 2023 15:45:31 GMT
Yeah it was such a load of nothing. I even remember Violet Berlin playing it on This Morning to try and defend it - but all she really proved was it was a really, really shit game.
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Post by rawshark on Dec 7, 2023 15:47:06 GMT
Now I watched a play through of Phantasmagoria recently and that was actually quite a gruesome game.
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Post by kal on Dec 7, 2023 15:47:19 GMT
Probably told this story before but I did a gaming related project with a car brand about 8 years ago and we brought in a specialist consultant for me to work with who turned out to be Violet Berlin. It was cool.
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