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Post by Jambowayoh on Dec 30, 2023 12:55:58 GMT
Nuance? In this situation? How dare you!
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Post by stixxuk on Dec 30, 2023 13:27:13 GMT
Sad as it may be "keep Trump out" has to be number 1 right now. It just has to be.
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Post by kal on Dec 30, 2023 13:32:04 GMT
I won’t pretend to understand it fully but it does feel like these ballot bans are symptomatic of a kind of umbrella understanding that Trump simply can’t become President again. And there’s many more to come. It going to the Supreme Court can surely only be a good thing?
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Post by Whizzo on Dec 30, 2023 14:03:36 GMT
Trump stuffed the Supreme Court with allies, they'll overturn any ballot bans.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Dec 30, 2023 15:06:52 GMT
Turns out (to my surprise) that a lot more people voted for Biden than for Obama, so maybe the anti-Trump effect is strong enough to motivate people to go out and vote after all. *fingers crossed*
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Post by kal on Dec 30, 2023 17:51:52 GMT
Trump stuffed the Supreme Court with allies, they'll overturn any ballot bans. Then why’s he so keen for it not to go to the Supreme Court? |
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Post by Whizzo on Dec 30, 2023 18:00:27 GMT
Because he's an idiot.
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Post by skalpadda on Dec 30, 2023 18:08:31 GMT
Gorsuch and Roberts aren't completely insane and even Brett " I like beer" Kavanagh has gone against Trump once or twice before. It might not be likely, but it's not beyond the realms of possibility that it could end up in a 5/4 decision to uphold the Colorado decision. |
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Post by Dougs on Dec 30, 2023 18:16:14 GMT
That sounds about right.
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Post by 😎 on Dec 30, 2023 20:31:26 GMT
Yeah, Trump stuffed the courts with Rs, but he made the mistake of putting in actual R originalists instead of just Trump lackeys. They’ve ruled against his wishes far more than they aligned.
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Post by zephro on Dec 31, 2023 16:48:22 GMT
Despite how insanely politicised the US system is, even these judges are probably going to come up with actual legal arguments that look like actual legal stuff. As yknow most professional people simply don't want to look like fucking morons in front of their peers. Except politicians, but they give the impression of being strictly amateur most the time.
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Post by apollo on Jan 2, 2024 15:30:00 GMT
The onion pretty much predicted trump would run for office after Obama's 2nd term victory
Also all the stuff about Shrieking White-Hot Sphere Of Pure Rage (but not the young bit) can apply to Republicans this time around
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Post by geefe on Jan 3, 2024 10:28:38 GMT
Let them go. We don't need them anyway. We've got China, now.
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Post by kal on Jan 3, 2024 14:00:13 GMT
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Post by Vortex on Jan 3, 2024 16:20:06 GMT
That's truly scary given how well documented the holocaust was ffs.
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Post by Ulythium on Jan 3, 2024 16:28:45 GMT
Very true, although I suspect that most Holocaust deniers start out with antisemitic beliefs and work backwards from there (rather than looking at the wealth of evidence for the Holocaust with open minds, and somehow coming away unconvinced).
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Post by technoish on Jan 3, 2024 18:54:44 GMT
20% of people get the wrong answer to a question where they are told what the right answer is in the question.
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Post by geefe on Jan 3, 2024 19:39:25 GMT
I watched Ken Burns' USA and the Holocaust doc. It did little to dissuade me from the view that the US really doesn't give a shit.
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Post by Nanocrystal on Jan 4, 2024 3:41:55 GMT
I do wonder how many of these people genuinely believe this bullshit versus how many just give the answer they know is expected from their weird little MAGA religion.
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Post by Onny on Jan 6, 2024 10:24:05 GMT
Supreme Court will decide if Colorado are allowed to remove Trump from the ballot next month: www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67899435I have a churning fear Trump will win. And that will be it for American politics. |
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jan 6, 2024 10:38:23 GMT
Given that he hasn't been convicted, I imagine they'll let him run.
Whether he wins or not, I have no idea.
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Post by stixxuk on Jan 6, 2024 11:03:08 GMT
It was frighteningly borderline already and the Israel/Palestine conflict will damage Biden's support enough to push it definitively Trump's way. He'll win, we're all fucked.
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Post by manfromdelmonte on Jan 6, 2024 11:41:34 GMT
It doesn't matter that he hasn't been convicted. The 14th amendment bars anyone who has committed insurrection, or given aid, or encouragement. The things he said before the riot and have said since are clearly that. I'm not saying it will make a difference to the supreme court, but it still applies, without a conviction. The best way the dopes could have protected their king, is if they all took a plea deal and none of them had actually been convicted of Insurrection itself, but that ship has sailed.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jan 6, 2024 11:51:24 GMT
I could see the argument that that's a very woolly criteria though. You could probably bar half of the US population based on their tweets.
Not that I'd be against him being banned, but I feel like it does need a conviction first. If we say someone has 'committed murder' we usually imply that they've been found guilty of it, even if that's not the literal meaning.
What would happen if they said he couldn't be barred because he wasn't convicted, but he was then convicted before the election, i dunno.
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Post by Ulythium on Jan 6, 2024 11:56:42 GMT
Inciting insurrection is already a much 'woollier' crime than murder, though, and far more open to interpretation.
Sure, social media has given everyone a megaphone they can use with impunity, which blurs the lines further still; however, Trump's incitement of the January 6 mob went way beyond his usual grouching on Twitter. He held a rally that morning and explicitly encouraged a march on the Capitol building, for fuck's sake!
I won't pretend to be impartial when it comes to The Orange One and his MAGA minions, but I personally don't need a legal verdict to tell me that the shitstain is guilty.
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Post by zephro on Jan 6, 2024 18:58:55 GMT
Not that it's probably that big an impact on the Supreme Court, but I doubt being previously convicted matters. It'd all be about the evidence given in a case against the specifics of the law.
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Post by Lizard on Jan 8, 2024 3:28:28 GMT
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Post by apollo on Jan 8, 2024 17:33:40 GMT
His magnets rant is insane mad ramblings but trump cultists will still go on about "sleepy dementia joe"
I could ask AI to write a speech and get translated into various languages and back to english and it would sound more human than a trump ramble
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