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Post by malek86 on Nov 1, 2023 12:21:04 GMT
I have TFS preordered, and enough silver (I guess) to get the second and third DLC stories, given that the first one is free. I hope the new model means they won't be as grindy. If they only drop content every six weeks, they might be more substantial and less just repeating old content on rotation.
I highly doubt I'll be in for whatever is next though. And judging by the numbers, I'm not sure Bungie is either. Maybe Destiny is "destined" to end with TFS after all, and any future updates will just be about keeping the game running, like D1.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Nov 1, 2023 12:27:08 GMT
I always felt like the chapters beyond Final Shape were just going to be a phased retirement of live services before all this, but it's pretty much nailed on now.
I did have the 85 quid version pre ordered but I got it refunded yesterday. I'll just buy TFS whenever it's out, get the Raid and Witness story over with and call it a day I think.
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Post by malek86 on Nov 1, 2023 12:31:49 GMT
Somehow I don't think Lightfall being bad was the main problem. I mean, SHadowkeep was bad too, and Beyond Light wasn't much better than Lightfall either.
I guess the real problem is people are freaking tired of seasons being always the same shit. Can't blame them. I sat out the entire last year, then I got Defiance and Deep, and they really were basically the same thing. The game is still fun to play (I still got to rank 100 for both seasons), but I don't see why one should pay for the seasons when you get nothing of value really. Again, I hope the DLC model will be more substantial at least.
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Post by Duffking on Nov 1, 2023 15:25:29 GMT
One of the interesting things is apparently MS passed on re-acquiring Bungie because of their cash burn rate a little while ago. It's clearly been a ticking time bomb for a while and as soon as the money as looked like it might not be there they're in trouble.
I worry for the long term health of Bungie, they're seemingly putting a lot of eggs in the Marathon basket, to the point that if they don't have a big hit on their hands there they're probably not going to be in a position to emergency pivot back to Destiny, which was presumably planned to get on the backburner post TFS anyway.
Frankly I think it's insane to try and have 2 live service games running at once as a company, every live service is competiting against each other by definition.
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Post by Duffking on Nov 1, 2023 15:26:33 GMT
Somehow I don't think Lightfall being bad was the main problem. I mean, SHadowkeep was bad too, and Beyond Light wasn't much better than Lightfall either. This is true, but the whiplash was real - people had been talking up the great state of the game as recently as Season of the Seraph. It was literally a complete 180 in sentiment in the space of a few weeks.
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Post by SpiralScratch on Nov 1, 2023 16:40:41 GMT
I worry for the long term health of Bungie As a fan of the games they make, me too. and I worry even more given that the next project they are banking on is an extraction shooter....
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Nov 1, 2023 17:03:32 GMT
Yeah Season of the Seraph was the point where it felt like all the pieces were finally moving into place after so long. The end cutscene, along with the LF trailer, felt like the promise the game had always had was finally going to be fulfilled.
For me personally, the game lived and died by not explaining what The Veil was in the campaign. That was the moment my Destiny Copium Reserves finally ran out for good. Sure, it was explained well over a month later in time gated audio logs and seasonal cutscenes. But that was an absolutely insulting way to deliver probably the single most important piece of lore that has been added in the 10 years of the series, AND the entire premise of the fucking campaign they expected you to stump up the price of a full game for!
That was the moment I knew Destiny would always be show but don't tell, string along the customer just enough that they hang onto a game the developer themselves stopped truly caring about a long time ago. This week has pretty much vindicated me giving up when I did. It's a shame as my time in the game probably outstrips the time I've spent in every other game I've played combined. It was as much a part of my life as it was a video game. So it's quite sad seeing what's happening, and I feel for the people losing their jobs that have brought an awful lot of joy to my spare time over the years.
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Post by malek86 on Nov 1, 2023 17:29:30 GMT
Somehow I don't think Lightfall being bad was the main problem. I mean, SHadowkeep was bad too, and Beyond Light wasn't much better than Lightfall either. This is true, but the whiplash was real - people had been talking up the great state of the game as recently as Season of the Seraph. It was literally a complete 180 in sentiment in the space of a few weeks. Yeah, but if it had been just one bad expansion, people would have forgiven it. I guess players never really liked the seasonal model, and only tolerated it because of a couple of better-than-expected seasons (Splicer comes to mind). Witch Queen was good, but at that point I guess people just didn't care much for the following year of seasons, and Lightfall being bad was just the breaking point of that. In the end, too much of D2 was filler. The talk about the great state of the game during Seraph felt more like people feeling optimistic about an upcoming expansion with a good trailer, but it didn't mean the game was actually in a good place, because it almost definitely wasn't. Right now the problem is, they have an extra long season ahead of them, presumably with no content drop like the 30th Anniversary Pack to keep players engaged this time. Mind, most everyone agreed the Anniversary pack was a waste of money anyway, but it would still be better than nothing... probably. If they don't want to keep hemorraging players, they need to do something about that.
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Post by Duffking on Nov 1, 2023 18:45:42 GMT
I do think Bungie in hindsight definitely did seasons the wrong way; if you look at something like how Diablo handled it, Bungie has really attempted to commit to a lot and in many ways it's not beneficial because it results in piecemealing the story and that said story ends up having to go away.
A better way may have been to try and keep the approach they started with with smaller expansions leading into full size ones and keeping all the story stuff for those. Admittedly those weren't brilliantly received at first, but it was the content rather than the format of the content which wasn't great. They could have kept going with that and instead had seasons simply be a drop of a few new weapons and new exotics, and a new strike and PvP map etc.
Though that would still require some reconfiguration of stuff because ultimately losing the pinnacle grind has shown just how surface level Destiny's grind is. Probably why Diablo gets people to start a new character each season. But stuff like the seasonal challenges could have helped there, if the new guns where put behind various challenges to encourage recontextualising older content, etc etc. I dunno.
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Post by eleven63 on Nov 2, 2023 7:43:14 GMT
Like others have said, I've put hours and hours into this game. Loved it. But haven't touched it in 3 months. There's nothing new to do. Done with it. Feel for those who have lost their job. ✌️
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Post by Frog on Nov 2, 2023 9:15:08 GMT
Like the old farmers say. If you only have one cow you can only milk it so much before it's tits fall off.
They have fun AI to fight against and best in class gunplay mechanics. They should have entered the competitive shooter market ages ago or jumped on the battle royale market when pubg was showing its money to be had.
The management should be the ones taking that hit in this situation and bungie and sony should be rallying round to protect the workers jobs until the ship is steadied.
It's not just them though it's every large company doing it all the time as profits matter more than people.
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Post by dfunked on Nov 2, 2023 9:33:23 GMT
Sounds like the Marathon playtests haven't been going so well. They got a bunch of Escape from Tarkov streamers in to play it, and when asked if any of them would play it if it released tomorrow, nobody put their hands up.
Time to sellotape the tits back on to D2...
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Post by Duffking on Nov 2, 2023 13:03:31 GMT
In a list of good ideas, "release another GaaS game that will cannibalise your own user base while you already have one of the most popular ones as a way to generate more revenue" is more or less at the bottom
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Post by JuniorFE on Nov 2, 2023 16:04:32 GMT
I dunno, it's working well enough for Hoyoverse so far... Genshin is making money hand over fist, and Star Rail and Impact 3rd aren't too far behind afaik...
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Post by Duffking on Nov 2, 2023 16:18:27 GMT
Gacha players are a different breed in fairness.
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Post by malek86 on Nov 16, 2023 16:45:30 GMT
So, with one week left until the end of the season, and assuming there's no special event next week, can anyone tell me more or less what happened this past three months? Assuming anyone is still playing. Chances are I won't return until TFS (next season isn't looking so hot again) but it'd be nice to get up to speed.
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Post by Duffking on Nov 18, 2023 20:17:43 GMT
so basically eris did some ritual to become a hive god and resurrected savathun and immediately killed her, absorbing her power and using it to sever xivu arath's connection to her throne world by crushing some hive run in her hand (?), making her effectively mortal now savathun then got revived again and was allowed to leave but her ghost is kept as a hostage then like weeks later our guardian is just like pondering over a table and suddenly realises that savathun had a pattern in her wings (??) and that it's actually the 15th wish ( ) and the key to entering the traveler safely the last part was just dumb as shit, savathun could have told people that in 100000 ways and they went for the stupidest
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Post by malek86 on Nov 19, 2023 13:49:06 GMT
so basically eris did some ritual to become a hive god and resurrected savathun and immediately killed her, absorbing her power and using it to sever xivu arath's connection to her throne world by crushing some hive run in her hand (?), making her effectively mortal now savathun then got revived again and was allowed to leave but her ghost is kept as a hostage then like weeks later our guardian is just like pondering over a table and suddenly realises that savathun had a pattern in her wings (??) and that it's actually the 15th wish ( ) and the key to entering the traveler safely the last part was just dumb as shit, savathun could have told people that in 100000 ways and they went for the stupidest Uh, so I guess they can kill Xivu Arath next season or maybe in the next expansion? Whatever. Is Eris still a zombie or did they turn her human again? I did always get the feeling that seasons tend to be 11 weeks of filler and 2 weeks of dumb plot twists.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Nov 19, 2023 14:20:04 GMT
We're at that point you get to in most TV series where you realise there wasn't some grand overarching plan mapped out from S1E1 and the writers were, in fact, making it all up as they went along.
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Post by Duffking on Nov 19, 2023 20:28:26 GMT
so basically eris did some ritual to become a hive god and resurrected savathun and immediately killed her, absorbing her power and using it to sever xivu arath's connection to her throne world by crushing some hive run in her hand (?), making her effectively mortal now savathun then got revived again and was allowed to leave but her ghost is kept as a hostage then like weeks later our guardian is just like pondering over a table and suddenly realises that savathun had a pattern in her wings (??) and that it's actually the 15th wish ( ) and the key to entering the traveler safely the last part was just dumb as shit, savathun could have told people that in 100000 ways and they went for the stupidest Uh, so I guess they can kill Xivu Arath next season or maybe in the next expansion? Whatever. Is Eris still a zombie or did they turn her human again? I did always get the feeling that seasons tend to be 11 weeks of filler and 2 weeks of dumb plot twists. look forward to next season with double the filler
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Post by malek86 on Nov 20, 2023 11:38:38 GMT
We're at that point you get to in most TV series where you realise there wasn't some grand overarching plan mapped out from S1E1 and the writers were, in fact, making it all up as they went along. Tbf in this case, it was obvious from the start. I've always wondered what the game would have gone on to be like, if they had continued with the romance sci-fi tone of D1.
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Post by gamecat on Nov 21, 2023 13:46:07 GMT
'I don't have time to explain why I don't have time to explain' was *nine years ago*, I feel old.
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Post by Duffking on Dec 1, 2023 20:57:00 GMT
Got the 421st clear of the new dungeon. Would have been even quicker if we'd not started 10 mins late.
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Post by malek86 on Dec 2, 2023 12:14:11 GMT
I actually have yet to try the new season. Will probably give it a go just to see what the rewards are like this time, but I can't see myself splurging any silver on it. Last season I only got to rank 14, so...
Has there been any word on how expensive the DLC episodes might be?
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Dec 2, 2023 15:29:48 GMT
I've just booted it up for the first time now. Riven's back. That's character number 81637 that has come back from the dead. If the Witness dies and never comes back it has to go down as the weakest character in the entire series.
I just can't be bothered anymore. Come back on to try the dungeon but the overwhelming feeling I'm getting is that the game's going back on ice until Final Shape after this weekend and I'll watch all the time gated story beats on YouTube at a later date.
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Post by malek86 on Dec 3, 2023 18:41:24 GMT
Man, from the first mission alone, the plot in this season sounds so filler it hurts.
That said, now my desktop is back and I have a proper (if slow) internet connection again, I might play once in a while. Need to rest all my hopes in those free weekly quests, no way I'm gonna spend any silver until TFS.
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Post by malek86 on Feb 1, 2024 13:58:49 GMT
So I've almost not played at all in the past six months. I went back yesterday to try the new Riven quests. The first one is just a grind for activities in the Dreaming City, except bounties and patrols don't count and nobody is running the Blind Well. Anyway, grind enough public events or the Corrupted strike, and you get a token which you can use for some uninteresting (at least to me) weapons, exotics with horrible stats, or a couple past mementos. Or ascendant shards, if you prefer.
I got the Dawning memento and put it on my Ragnhild shotgun. It said it unlocked trackers, but I already had a kill tracker which was all I needed. It also says it unlocked some shader but I can't find it.
Not very enticing stuff, I will say.
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Post by Duffking on Feb 1, 2024 14:13:22 GMT
Mementos add a third tracker related to the source of the memento. Trials memento adds a trials kills one for example. The shader is unlocked when the weapon with a memento gets to level 30.
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Post by malek86 on Feb 1, 2024 14:29:12 GMT
Mementos add a third tracker related to the source of the memento. Trials memento adds a trials kills one for example. The shader is unlocked when the weapon with a memento gets to level 30. My shotgun is level 133 so it should be unlocked already. I did notice an extra generic shader in my list, which seems to bear the Dawning icon... but I hope it's not that. I was hoping for something more unique.
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Post by Duffking on Feb 1, 2024 14:50:30 GMT
Mementos add a third tracker related to the source of the memento. Trials memento adds a trials kills one for example. The shader is unlocked when the weapon with a memento gets to level 30. My shotgun is level 133 so it should be unlocked already. I did notice an extra generic shader in my list, which seems to bear the Dawning icon... but I hope it's not that. I was hoping for something more unique. It should be called "Rime Keepsake". It's an icy one with moving-y bits.
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