Switch Games 'n' Stuff

It's like saying "The PS4 is fine. Looks great and performs well for everything I like. And the sales numbers back it up so I'm clearly right".
And then Sony released the PS5 and it becomes the fastest selling Playstation again.

Unless they Wii-U it again, the Switch 2 (which we assume it will be, more or less) will just build up from where the Switch is.

But as it's Nintendo, they could totally Wii-U it in spectacular fashion.

I think the ocarina comment misses the point a bit. The difference between switch and a series x or PS5 is not as stark as N64 to now. Sure BOTW In 4k 60fps would look super but not in a game changing way. Additionally, sometimes I find the higher fidelity and things like ray tracing actually give games a plasticky look too. Sort of similar to the Peter Jackson Hobbit movies at a higher FPS it looked more fake and broke the immersion. True next gen lies in real world physics simulation not fancy lighting or 60 FPS upwards. Without the former even hyper realistic experiences often feel more artificial. as the experience of being in that super realistic looking world isn't matched by how you can interact with it

I kinda get both sides of the argument. Games like BotW look fine as is, perhaps a slight shock if you go back to it after playing a 4k60 game but you get used to it pretty quickly. Nintendo games tend to have clean art that generally hold up really well even in sub-full HD resolutions.

But, it would still be very nice to play BotW at 4k60fps (and no doubt we will in about a decade when Nintendo decides to remaster it). And when a brand new Mario game runs at 30fps in handheld, then yeah, it becomes pretty obvious that more power would be very welcome.

This guy understands art.

No, you just don’t get it. Not like Worlds, he gets Nintendo. And art.

Imagine if they re-released the Game Boy Colour. Perfection!

I think a lot of folks just like arguing. I'm quite obviously not suggesting progress isn't a good thing. I'm simply stating that in my experience higher fidelity games do not automatically equal better games. If we rewind back to earlier in the thread and look across many corners of the internet you see extreme statements such as "Metroid looks terrible on the TV" no, no it doesn't. Sure it looks better in handheld play but terrible is a gross overstatement. Same can be said of the occasional frame rate issues in Links Awakening and BOTW. Again, Sure I'd rather they weren't there but the constant hyperbolic suggestion that issues such as these are unbearable and game breaking simply isn't true. The current narrative in gaming places to much emphasis on FPS and graphical grunt which used to be the stuff you found in playgrounds and completely ignores the importance of art direction and design. Many much older games have a greater sense of place and a heightened sense of immersion from a time when conversations such as these were barely conceivable. Could some of these games look and feel better with a bit more horsepower? Absolutely but they could also lose something along the way potentially. 30fps can lend a game a more cinematic quality. 60fps and upwards can make an action game really slick and fluid to play. It's horses four courses. I'd buy a beefed up switch tomorrow for the potential it would represent in terms of design, art direction and physics. Higher FPS is a bonus for games that benefit from it. Stuff like ray tracing and other effects enabled by faster processers have huge potential but they can also look very "gamey" as I described previously. Resident Evil Village being a good example in my opinion. That game would have been so much more atmospheric had it been a little less slick and more cinematic. My point was very simple, the Switch is fine for a couple more years. Many of the constant complaints from small corners of the internet are not that big of a deal to most people because they are ultimately not they big of a deal. In 2021 the jump in quality just isn't as big as it was from generation to generation when I was growing up. I've been underwhelmed the past two for sure. Maybe it is a big deal to some of you and hey that's fine! if you want every game to run at 120fps with the highest possible settings that's your preference and you are perfectly entitled to want That. You have your reasons for wanting it and others will have reasons like the ones I've given for wanting something different or just being apathetic to it. Simply put don't confuse what you want with what the rest of us want or need those are separate things.

Agreed. The only reason I commented in the first place was because the person who made the original comment along the lines of "some games look just as good on switch as the big consoles" was immediately jumped upon as being some sort of deluded fanboy when it's a perfectly valid opinion. This is supposed to be a place to share opinions and hold discussions with a more mature gaming audience not a playground. A better response would have been to ask why they felt that way if I'm assuming, that opinion was so Alien to others that it was difficult to comprehend. If I want to read the thoughts of a bunch of people acting like children whose sole aim is to impress their opinions on others as facts rather than engaging in meaningful discussion I'd go read the IGN comments or get lost down the YouTube rabbit hole. I don't know the poster they may be an absolute Berk or a jolly nice person but I do know it should always be ok to have an opinion especially when that opinion is perfectly reasonable and in no way harmful to anyone

Whats this Zelda can do 60 first person shooters at £4000?

Yes that is entirely correct 🙂

I think I might bow out of this one, argument's getting a bit heated for my liking lol. And it feels like an argument Nintendo fans have been having for the last decade or two.

So you agree. Great. I don't understand why you seem to be arguing against it then?

The reason that Worlds is easy to "jump on" is because he's contradicting himself ("it doesn't need an upgrade" but has literally just bought the upgrade which is the direct cause of the "looks better graphically than some PS5 games") and now, after each time you post, steifybobbins , he's latching onto your opinions as if the two of you are enlightened. Call it schoolboy if you like but there is explanation behind each retort.

Would you like the ability to play the best possible games Nintendo could make, and allow for more 3rd party to make their games accessible on the platform, making it stronger overall, with more consistent performance and cleaner images?
"No, I actively do not want those things" is a really, really odd, borderline stupid response. Even if you are acceptable to the performance of the current model and don't care about chasing pixels (which isn't an argument anyone is making for the sake of it), having more power would still actually benefit you. They could still choose to make retro style styled games. That still happens.
RT is still very new and costly, time and experience will improve every aspect of it and move away from the criticisms you have of it. 60fps is just better than 30 in every instance. Also, this generation has moved away from the graphical focus that every previous gen was marketed on and is focusing more on performance and speed. We'll always see some benefit on the art side, but there will be greater improvements on performance throughout the generation.
Except on Switch, obviously.

Regarding the uninformed masses not knowing about the details, sure, that's a thing. But those same people are also buying up the new mainline consoles, phones, and everything else. You don't have to understand what or why to see and feel a difference, and once you do it's very difficult to go backwards, which is what we see across every entertainment platform.

The hardware is getting long in the tooth but it doesn’t hold them back too much from making the games they want to make. I’d rather not see a switch pro on the market, it’ll just confuse things before we eventually get the successor and I don’t think now is the right time for them to launch a switch 2 anyway

You would, but would enough others? Then what, you release games running as they should on the pro but even more gimped on the standard? Then release a new machine 2 years after a few million have just invested in an essential upgrade?

I think in today's climate they'd fly off the shelves, yeah.
But I agree that now isn't the time, especially after a new model last week. Whether they should/will isn't really the conversation. Nintendo will Nintendo.