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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2024 11:26:54 GMT
Still got the mute button. Until they disable that during adverts anyway.
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Post by dfunked on Feb 16, 2024 11:28:28 GMT
Yeah, it's all very well saying they're only 15 seconds at the start. This is only the beginning and it'll steadily get worse.
I realise it's an apples Vs oranges comparison, but YouTube's ads over the years are a prime example of steadily sliding from "I guess it's not too bad", to something that's an utterly fucking awful experience unless you pay to remove the ads (or smarttube/revanced it)
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Post by nazo on Feb 16, 2024 11:30:34 GMT
That's not really how anything has ever worked though. You pay money for your physical newspaper / magazine whatever, it's still chock full of ads. F2P trappings are now common-place in full-price games. Companies will always try to maximize profit, that's their whole purpose.
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Post by Dougs on Feb 16, 2024 11:33:04 GMT
Adverts in papers and magazines are skippable though. No-one is forcing you to stare at that page for X amount of time.
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Post by geefe on Feb 16, 2024 11:38:36 GMT
Magazine and newspaper ads didn't intrude on the content, though. Paper ads are very passive and, often, part of a section that was broadly within a service remit.
Unskippable adverts that interrupt something you are watching, at random points, for something that is far more costly than a newspaper, is a different ballgame.
And maybe audiences are no longer willing to put up with it?
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Post by muddyfunster on Feb 16, 2024 11:44:24 GMT
Frankly the biggest constraint on this dystopian unavoidable advert future is piracy. If pay tv is too expensive or an awful experience people will increasingly pirate content in increasingly creative ways.
Music piracy largely died once Spotify introduced a 'reasonable' alternative to the consumer.
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Post by Dougs on Feb 16, 2024 12:06:40 GMT
True that.
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Post by Dougs on Feb 16, 2024 12:07:22 GMT
Might need to resurrect my Kodi box.
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Post by dfunked on Feb 16, 2024 12:33:01 GMT
Aye, I've always been a bit of a dirty warez monkey, but Spotify and the like put a stop to that for music. Consoles by their nature and the convenience of Steam put a stop to it for games.
If there was a single consolidated platform for most of the stuff I want to watch at a decent cost, I'd probably be kissing goodbye to my NAS or at least downsizing it drastically for personal backups. Fragmentation and fuckery like this is just pushing me away from them.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Feb 16, 2024 13:23:41 GMT
Movie theaters have always had ads and you pay for those.
It all depends on the balance of price vs ads imho. I'm paying for one service that has ads, but the ads are very minimal and the price is pretty low. Some services are free with ads, some are cheap with ads because the ads subsidise the price, some are paid with no ads. Some have intolerable ads, others have pretty tolerable ones.
I wonder if we'll get to the point where music services start fragmenting too. Where Taylor Swift is on Musify, but Ariana Grande is on Spotify?
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Post by nazo on Feb 16, 2024 13:25:32 GMT
If audiences weren't willing to put up with it then the ad-tiers on Netflix and Disney+ wouldn't be such a success and others wouldn't be falling over themselves to get in on the action. I don't think we'll see Spotify-style consolidated services, the costs of production are too high compared to music. More likely we'll end up with satellite / cable style bundling of services for a small discount, which we're already seeing from the likes of Sky.
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Post by Reviewer on Feb 16, 2024 13:32:37 GMT
Exactly. No-one has a problem with adverts, but the problem is there's already a sub in place. That's just taking the piss. But things like Sky have always been pay for it and still get adverts. Why is it different when streaming and with the option to get rid of the ads? I assume if they hadn’t done this then the price would have gone up by a similar amount but for everyone. This just means there’s a tier that doesn’t have that increase.
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Post by cubby on Feb 16, 2024 13:37:37 GMT
Movie theaters have always had ads and you pay for those. You pay a TV licence and still have ads on most channels. When you rented or even bought VHS tapes there were trailers and ads on them. It's a bit of a straw man argument to say that if you pay it equals no ads. That's a recent development that Netflix and Spotify pioneered and neither made a profit for well over a decade. Spotify only made a profit when they started doing podcasts and that's because they have ads. These services bled money to increase user base which increased their shares, which is the end result for most of these companies, and now it's peaked it's unsustainable for TV/film streaming without ad revenue. Or upping the price. It was always going to end up with ads as part of the model, there's no sustainable model that doesn't work without it long term.
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Post by Reviewer on Feb 16, 2024 13:39:20 GMT
Although I would like an ad supported tier that is completely free, even if that does mean 5-10 minutes of adverts or something.
As soon as ads come on everyone gets their phone out or goes to get a drink or something anyway.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Feb 16, 2024 13:46:01 GMT
Although I would like an ad supported tier that is completely free, even if that does mean 5-10 minutes of adverts or something. As soon as ads come on everyone gets their phone out or goes to get a drink or something anyway. itvX, all4, Amazon FreeVee, Plex, etc..
Though the bigger issue for me with those is that their library can be rather limited, or very transitory.
If they all had decent libraries that didn't keep losing the shows when you're half way through a season then that would be great.
Though Plex is one step too far for me in terms of ads. Seems to have an ad break about every 5 minutes, which is pretty much unbearable.
Most of the others are bearable though, for me at least. Plus a couple of non UK ones that I use regularly.
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Post by Whizzo on Feb 16, 2024 13:46:05 GMT
I'm fine with ads at cinema, they do drag on a bit though and they don't interfere with the film. I do also only pay 11 quid a month to go as much as I like so I don't begrudge Cineworld making some money from advertising.
If they suddenly started putting ads during films and would only have screenings without if I paid more money I'd be fucking angry about it.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Feb 16, 2024 13:48:12 GMT
True.
Personally, I find ad breaks quite useful to pop to the toilet or make a quick cup of coffee, as I remember my parents doing back in the days when terrestrial tv existed and had ads.
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Post by Reviewer on Feb 16, 2024 13:50:38 GMT
Although I would like an ad supported tier that is completely free, even if that does mean 5-10 minutes of adverts or something. As soon as ads come on everyone gets their phone out or goes to get a drink or something anyway. itvX, all4, Amazon FreeVee, Plex, etc..
Though the bigger issue for me with those is that their library can be rather limited, or very transitory.
If they all had decent libraries that didn't keep losing the shows when you're half way through a season then that would be great.
Though Plex is one step too far for me in terms of ads. Seems to have an ad break about every 5 minutes, which is pretty much unbearable.
Most of the others are bearable though, for me at least. Plus a couple of non UK ones that I use regularly.
I mean for other services too like Disney, Apple etc. Slightly longer breaks and not as frequent are always better. I tried watching something when I was in America (possibly Judge Judy) and there were at least 4 breaks in one episode.
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Post by dfunked on Feb 16, 2024 13:54:28 GMT
Back in the day networks paid attention to where to put ad breaks (and TV shows were probably edited with ad breaks in mind), and you'd roughly know when one was coming up. Can't picture it working as well with ads automatically getting shoehorned in in the middle of a show now.
I'd much rather just press the pause button at the end of a specific scene if I want to take a piss or make a cuppa.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Feb 16, 2024 13:56:50 GMT
To be fair, the UK has always been pretty lucky when it comes to tv ads. I forget the exact number, but there was a pretty strict limit on the number of minutes of ads per hour for the commercial channels, and of course the BBC. The thing they do in the US, and in Japan, of having some ads, then the opening credits, then some more ads, then the show starts, then ads during the show, then ads after the show ends, then the end credits, then more ads before we start all over again was mindblowing to me when I first experienced it. And shows that were an hour in the US would be like 45 minutes in the UK. I'd much rather just press the pause button at the end of a specific scene if I want to take a piss or make a cuppa. Yeah, but then you feel guilty about pissing off everyone else who's watching. If there's an ad break then everyone can go to the loo without feeling guilty!
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Post by geefe on Feb 16, 2024 14:20:56 GMT
Ads at cinema are why I always turn up about 15 mins after the alleged start time. A good shout is asking the usher what the advert length is. They're usually a standard 20 minutes from curtain open.
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Post by richardiox on Feb 16, 2024 14:38:17 GMT
Back in the day networks paid attention to where to put ad breaks (and TV shows were probably edited with ad breaks in mind), and you'd roughly know when one was coming up. Can't picture it working as well with ads automatically getting shoehorned in in the middle of a show now. I'd much rather just press the pause button at the end of a specific scene if I want to take a piss or make a cuppa. Used to love spotting that little square marker in the top right corner that meant the ad break was coming up. We called it the "flick the switch" sign.
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Post by muddyfunster on Feb 16, 2024 14:42:46 GMT
Yeah we're the same. Try and time arrival to avoid sitting through ads.
Avoiding intrusive ads is increasingly becoming a modern whack-a-mole game and I appreciated many people just can't be bothered and have a higher tolerance. In some ways that's ideal as it means corporations are more likely to ignore the smaller percentage of us that try and circumvent them.
I run adguard on our network, use vanced & smarttube, download/record tv programmes to skip ads, and only listen to podcasts with ads at times I know I'll have my hands free to judiciously press the skip forward button.
Occasionally I'll intentionally permit ads on websites that I want to support and I have no problem with non-intrusive advertising in general. For example, I don't care about subtle product placement. If the deal was no price rises but one short advert before each programme that would be ok with me, but I hate to have constant interruptions and distractions.
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Post by Gruf on Feb 16, 2024 14:48:15 GMT
That Sky thing they do for the football, normal ad break, come back for the match as the teams come out, 30 secs of waffle, then another quick ad break and back for kick off.
That would wind me up...if I paid for it
What % influence do ads have on people anyway, for me it is even less if they are forced on you
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Post by gamingdave on Feb 16, 2024 14:53:59 GMT
Watched a film on Amazon this week, which had an ad break during (as well as before), and I was not impressed. I was already thinking of canceling as the hours we spend watching Prime are minimal, and I don't really need next day delivery on everything. This has made that decision easier.
We pay for Disney, Amazon and Netflix, and also use iPlayer and Channel 4. In the past I've occasionally had a MUBI sub on top. I have a Plex server which contains films ripped from disks.
I use Letterboxd to keep track of my film watchlist, and that tells me when something gets added to one of the services. I use JustWatch sometimes to look things up. But it's all a faff.
I think what's missing the most from streaming for me is a consolidated front end. Plex does it, but not very well.
We watch quite a lot of TV/film - probably 3hrs a day on average, so 90hrs a month for which I pay about £35. I'm paying about 40p an hour, or around £1 per film - those seem decent enough prices to me. If they doubled I'd be in the territory of a Sky sub with Sports and Cinema though.
The ideal for me would be a pay as you go model, from a provider who has everything (or as close as). Let me pay £2 for a catalogue film stream, maybe £4 for a new release and give me the first episode (or two) of a series for free, then charge me a sensible fee for the rest (number of episodes and length dependant).
Or that consolidated front end, which let's me see all my subs rolled into one browsable and filterable list, with genre groupings and recommendations, and the option to pay one off fees for additional titles (or, for free with lots of ads).
Content needs to be paid for, but as others have mentioned, it has to be easy to access. Lot's of separate services, with their own limited catalogues, own front ends and increasing prices or ads is not what customers want.
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Post by Chopsen on Feb 16, 2024 15:13:21 GMT
I'm using jellyfin for my ripped content. It's a fork of emby, due to them going closed source.
Never got along with Plex. Dunno why.
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Post by gamingdave on Feb 16, 2024 16:19:07 GMT
I'm using jellyfin for my ripped content. It's a fork of emby, due to them going closed source. Never got along with Plex. Dunno why. Thanks, will take a look, always good to have options. I used to be XBMC/Kodi, but then I started having some periodic issues with drive mappings and external devices and it all got a bit messy. My Plex server is super stable (well, the software is, but the PC has a failing OS drive I need to replace) and I can then watch things casually from the built in TV app, or if I want a tad better processing and all the sound formats I can use it on the Nvidia Shield. In theory I can stream anything outside the house too, but I never do.
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Post by Dougs on Feb 16, 2024 16:28:38 GMT
Aye, I've always been a bit of a dirty warez monkey, but Spotify and the like put a stop to that for music. Consoles by their nature and the convenience of Steam put a stop to it for games. If there was a single consolidated platform for most of the stuff I want to watch at a decent cost, I'd probably be kissing goodbye to my NAS or at least downsizing it drastically for personal backups. Fragmentation and fuckery like this is just pushing me away from them. I've never been arsed with setting up a NAS etc, usually just went down the streaming route. I did like faffing with Kodi etc but can't be bothered finding a decent download and then explain to my wife and kids how to watch it etc. It's all just too much hassle. Streaming services took all that pain away.
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Post by Reviewer on Feb 16, 2024 16:30:19 GMT
That Sky thing they do for the football, normal ad break, come back for the match as the teams come out, 30 secs of waffle, then another quick ad break and back for kick off. That would wind me up...if I paid for it What % influence do ads have on people anyway, for me it is even less if they are forced on you I assume they have quite a lot of influence otherwise that’s several trillion pounds being wasted every year.
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Post by Dougs on Feb 16, 2024 16:31:46 GMT
Anyway I look forward to seeing more of the "Ad's that annoy you" thread.
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