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Post by muddyfunster on Feb 14, 2024 16:58:09 GMT
I get value from prime from the deliveries and have had it since before prime video was a thing. So in that sense I'm not so fussed, it's just the constant erosion of value in the last could of years that annoys me.
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Post by Dougs on Feb 14, 2024 17:05:44 GMT
There was an article recently that the ad-supported versions seem to be pretty popular. Growing more than the non-ad ones iirc. This boggles my mind Why? Everyone is looking at ways to cut costs so putting up with a few ads is a price worth paying for some. |
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Post by quadfather on Feb 14, 2024 18:14:01 GMT
Must admit, it's annoying how you can see what's coming and how they go about it, but I guess I'm lucky enough to not really watch much stuff online.
I do have prime for Alexa as I find that music search immediacy when I've got my bass guitar in my hand is extremely useful, so I don't mind paying for prime for the music side.
And prime video I use to watch old shit that I just can't be arsed to go get the disk from upstairs while my dinner is cooking so no massive shakes on the ads there, *unless* they go all ITV on us and interrupt the main show. That's a dealbreaker for me.
And speaking of room upstairs, I'm glad
I've kept all my physical films and 4k blu rays etc so if I really want to watch something properly, in atmos, on a big telly, I still can get my arse off the sofa to do that.
But yeah, downward trend isn't it in general.
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Post by askew on Feb 14, 2024 20:03:41 GMT
Well, that is what's happening. I don't mind a pre-roll advert for something on Freevee, but when watching Mr and Mrs Smith they're bundled in at 10-15 minute intervals
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Post by geefe on Feb 14, 2024 20:09:40 GMT
Yeah fuck that. I've long said before - either it's free with adverts or you pay and get no adverts.
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Post by Dougs on Feb 15, 2024 6:32:05 GMT
Well, that is what's happening. I don't mind a pre-roll advert for something on Freevee, but when watching Mr and Mrs Smith they're bundled in at 10-15 minute intervals Ooof. That's spectacularly poor. |
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Post by baihu1983 on Feb 15, 2024 6:34:38 GMT
Sky Player does that despite you needing a sky sub to use.
A few minutes of Unskippable ads at the start of every show/film you try to watch.
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Post by Syrette on Feb 15, 2024 8:41:48 GMT
Well, that is what's happening. I don't mind a pre-roll advert for something on Freevee, but when watching Mr and Mrs Smith they're bundled in at 10-15 minute intervals How long are they though? |
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Post by askew on Feb 15, 2024 8:46:12 GMT
Some – typically the preroll things are ~15 seconds. But the ones I'm getting during programming have been bundled in pairs, with each ~40 seconds.
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Post by geefe on Feb 15, 2024 8:46:40 GMT
Sky Player does that despite you needing a sky sub to use. A few minutes of Unskippable ads at the start of every show/film you try to watch. Absolute bullshit. I have no idea why people put up with it. |
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Post by baihu1983 on Feb 15, 2024 8:55:52 GMT
They even rub it in and tell you how many ads will be shown and the total wait time at the bottom.
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Post by Syrette on Feb 15, 2024 9:12:01 GMT
Some – typically the preroll things are ~15 seconds. But the ones I'm getting during programming have been bundled in pairs, with each ~40 seconds. Thanks. Do you or anyone else know if you can just skip straight to them and get them watched and out of the way at any point , like you can with other services? |
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Post by jono62 on Feb 15, 2024 9:24:31 GMT
Well, that is what's happening. I don't mind a pre-roll advert for something on Freevee, but when watching Mr and Mrs Smith they're bundled in at 10-15 minute intervals That didn't happen for me. Had one ad before an episode started and that was it. |
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Post by jono62 on Feb 15, 2024 9:25:02 GMT
Sky Player does that despite you needing a sky sub to use. A few minutes of Unskippable ads at the start of every show/film you try to watch. Absolute bullshit. I have no idea why people put up with it. What should they do instead? |
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Post by baihu1983 on Feb 15, 2024 11:38:01 GMT
Fight the sky group.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Feb 15, 2024 11:38:02 GMT
I feel like all these services should let you pick your ad poison in the settings.
Option A - Pre-roll as much as possible.
Option B - Less frequent but longer ad breaks (for people whose toilet is upstairs)
Option C - More frequent but shorter ad breaks (for people whose toilet is downstairs and can't hold it for long)
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Post by geefe on Feb 15, 2024 12:34:34 GMT
Absolute bullshit. I have no idea why people put up with it. What should they do instead? Don't subscribe. I don't sub to Sky or any of their products for this reason. I binned Netflix. Amazon will go. Better ways to fill my time. |
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Post by Syrette on Feb 15, 2024 12:39:45 GMT
What should they do instead? Don't subscribe. I don't sub to Sky or any of their products for this reason. I binned Netflix. Amazon will go. Better ways to fill my time. But what if they value the content more than you do? |
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Post by geefe on Feb 15, 2024 12:47:02 GMT
Then that's fine but companies will continue to take liberties, at the expense of customers and content creators.
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Post by Tomo on Feb 15, 2024 18:29:57 GMT
Yeah Sky Player is so so bad. No way I'd pay for it. Get it via in laws.
I'm increasingly convinced Sky will be dead or need to pour loads of money into becoming a full streaming platform in next 5-10 years. Sky is really terrible value for money these days.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Feb 15, 2024 21:51:37 GMT
I think people have gotten so used to a free ride that they forget these things are run by businesses that want to make money.
Remember when Netflix had everything, and you could basically share your password with anyone? That was great, but it was never going to last forever. The only reason they had so much stuff was that studios didn't take streaming seriously and sold the rights to movies for peanuts, and the only reason why it used to be so cheap (and they didn't care that much about password sharing) is that they didn't have competition.
It's a similar reason to why online journalism is completely up shit creek now. People got used to getting it for free, and when the companies finally said "uh, hey, maybe you could pay us a bit for this work please?" people revolted and started getting their news from social media. People don't pay for subscriptions unless you're the New York Times, and getting revenue from ads turns your site into one giant listicle.
And now the lunch is over for streaming. Not that anyone should feel sorry for Amazon or anything. Fuck those guys! But this was always going to happen.
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Post by Youthist on Feb 15, 2024 22:18:26 GMT
Then that's fine but companies will continue to take liberties, at the expense of customers and content creators. You do understand the concept of supply and demand, right? If people don’t pay for it, it won’t work. All that stuff. |
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Post by Bill in the rain on Feb 16, 2024 3:10:11 GMT
I think people have gotten so used to a free ride that they forget these things are run by businesses that want to make money. Remember when Netflix had everything, and you could basically share your password with anyone? That was great, but it was never going to last forever. The only reason they had so much stuff was that studios didn't take streaming seriously and sold the rights to movies for peanuts, and the only reason why it used to be so cheap (and they didn't care that much about password sharing) is that they didn't have competition. It's a similar reason to why online journalism is completely up shit creek now. People got used to getting it for free, and when the companies finally said "uh, hey, maybe you could pay us a bit for this work please?" people revolted and started getting their news from social media. People don't pay for subscriptions unless you're the New York Times, and getting revenue from ads turns your site into one giant listicle. And now the lunch is over for streaming. Not that anyone should feel sorry for Amazon or anything. Fuck those guys! But this was always going to happen. Plus I imagine that for most of that time Netflix was losing shed loads of money, or at least not making very much. They weren't really making much profit until 2017, and their profits only really ramped up in 2020/2021. It's the usual tech startup strategy of offering a really good deal and ignoring profits while trying to grow exponentially, and then starting to claw it all back once they get enough subscribers. (See also Evernote, Twitter, Heroku, etc.. ) |
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Post by muddyfunster on Feb 16, 2024 9:39:01 GMT
I know that the likes of Disney make no money from their streaming platform, in fact it costs them billions a year.
Logically that is unsustainable for long.
However the problem is that these international mega corps have been happy to run unsustainable models in order to try and grab a foothold. The consequences of that is fragmenting the market further and further.
There simply isn't room for all those platforms to run at profit. People aren't going to pay above a certain amount total per month for their content.
Really we are waiting for some of these platforms to die and the market to consolidate around the best few.
You'd think Amazon have a major advantage because they own the underlying infrastructure so I'd also expect them to be able to offer a better deal than rivals.
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Post by Reviewer on Feb 16, 2024 9:49:15 GMT
I don’t have an issue with any of them having ad supported versions where you can pay to get rid of them. I’d be more annoyed if they did it and you couldn’t get rid of them. It’s like some people have forgotten about ads on normal tv and the cost to watch that.
If people want the standard of programmes they’re getting then there’s a cost. If it means some people can pay a bit less but put up with a minute or two of adverts then I don’t see the problem.
It’s only about 10 years ago that the main option was sit through 15-20 minutes of adverts an hour, unless you recorded it and sat there for a couple of minutes an hour skipping them.
I would prefer them to spend less money making shit that means it all costs more but that’s not going to happen.
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Post by richardiox on Feb 16, 2024 10:13:52 GMT
Higher prices for better content/infrastructure versus higher prices to milk out even bigger returns for wealthy investors. Unfortunately for me more often than not it feels like the latter.
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Post by Binky on Feb 16, 2024 10:22:10 GMT
Ad supported content = free, then paid for content should = no ads.
It really should be this simple. It absolutely sucks that it seemingly doesn't work that way.
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Post by Dougs on Feb 16, 2024 10:31:12 GMT
Exactly. No-one has a problem with adverts, but the problem is there's already a sub in place. That's just taking the piss.
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Post by geefe on Feb 16, 2024 10:51:33 GMT
This is what I've been saying.
I'd like to see how much of this profit goes towards actual content creation.
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Post by muddyfunster on Feb 16, 2024 11:17:52 GMT
Yeah I think we're all agreed on that. Paid plus ads is a piss take.
The danger with streaming is that ads are unskippable. Yes we've (almost) always had ads to pay for television but for the last four decades we've also had the ability to record programmes and fast forward though those ads. Even Sky TV which combines subs and ads realise this. When you download a programme to your sky box, it didn't have unskippable ads in it. My biggest concern is that there'll be no way to avoid them at all eventually.
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