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Post by manfromdelmonte on Oct 11, 2021 8:28:48 GMT
Models were drilled and mounted on cocktail sticks. Initially I tried cotton wool with a water/PVA mix, but that took ages to dry. Cotton wool with Citadel 'ard coat dries much quicker and adds a lot of rigidity. The flame colouring is just some Windsor and Newton inks I use, followed by stippling on white, then grey, then black, progressively down the plume
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Post by Mark1412 on Oct 16, 2021 13:10:57 GMT
I'm new to this but have really enjoyed the building part so far (bought the elite starter and some other space dudes). What do you all do about priming? I'm using spray cans which I didn't realise are shite in humid countries until I tried today, got some fuzz and looked it up. Apparently it's humid here all the time. Read about air brushes but they're not cheap. Am I overthinking it? Don't want to ruin my minis! If you can spare the time then Vallejo airbrush primer works a treat with a regular brush. Takes longer to dry and you have to make sure you aren't blobbing it on/you're covering everything/might need to top up some patches, but it's probably your best option unless you either buy an airbrush or a dehumidifier for the shed And you're probably not overthinking it. If the prime and base coats aren't smooth then the finished job will look bad Thank you for the Vallejo primer recommendation - I've been using it over the last couple of days and it really is brilliant. Really smooth and easy to use and it's probably going to save hundreds of pounds in spray cans!
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Post by manfromdelmonte on Oct 23, 2021 18:35:58 GMT
More Marines done.
Also, top tip. I took a punt on some cheap brushes from The Works and they're actually really good. Boldmere precision acrylic brushes £2 for 4 and as I say they're surprisingly good. Only bought them for donkey work, but they're become go to brushes.
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Post by Danno on Oct 23, 2021 18:42:47 GMT
Lovely work.
Agree on cheap/cheapish brushes. One mistake with a pricey one like dipping it too far into a pot or something and it's a £20 drybrush that's probably too small for the job. I haven't tried a dirt cheap option in ages because the handles were coarse or sticky or something, but I really like Grinning Gargoyle's range, very reasonably priced, decent quality for the money, hold their points perfectly well
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2021 19:53:22 GMT
Not 40k but fuck it. Need a winter project so after 15 years being plastic crack free I have caved. Age of Sigmar dominion box set coming tomorrow along with the starter paint set.
At lunch will pop into the local games workshop... sorry warhammer and pick up 10 more paints (buy 9 get one free) and possibly blood bowl.
I have just opened myself up to a world of wallet emptying despair haven't I?
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Post by Danno on Oct 26, 2021 20:08:10 GMT
Yep. You're officially fucked.
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Post by Danno on Oct 26, 2021 20:09:04 GMT
Also Vallejo paints are better* and cheaper than Citadel, plus they're in dropper bottles as standard. Look at Army Painter and Scale 75 as well *Some citadel paints are nicer, Balthazar gold is lovely, for example, but Vallejo don't discontinue things whereas Citadel do, and Citadels white and some metallics are really bad.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2021 20:12:33 GMT
Yep. You're officially fucked. Sigh. What else do I need to start? Will look at some washes and inks, ordered a decent set of brushes. What else am I missing? I may as well spend an extra 50 up front and start properly rather than regret it later. And cheers for the paint tip. Will have a look.
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Post by Danno on Oct 26, 2021 20:17:03 GMT
Good hobby mat, decent clippers, knife and spare blades, kitchen paper, blu tack, a couple of old herb jars to use as painting handles and a nice podcast lineup. Optional, but if you plan to paint things in sub assemblys get some skewers or cocktail sticks
I like Grinning Gargoyle for a good starter brush set, wallet friendly but won't break after half a basecoat
Do you have primer?
Nuln oil and Agrax earthshade from citadel are both great.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2021 20:19:59 GMT
Sigh... primer will pick up tomorrow. Rest will make a list.
Forgot about kitchen towel etc, good shout. And whatever you use these days to clean brushes. And something to use as a pallet. And a decent lamp, just realised the lighting not good enough.
Half tempted just to return to amazon.
Jokes aside by the way, the dominion starter is 105 in amazon, 145 in games workshop. A bit weird as most other stuff seems more on parity.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2021 20:20:47 GMT
Sorry, what is a sub assembly?
I need to add instruction videos to my list.
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Post by Danno on Oct 26, 2021 20:24:09 GMT
Sorry, what is a sub assembly? I need to add instruction videos to my list. oh, if you have a big chunk of a model that goes on another big chunk of a model, that will then make that model difficult to paint. Cloaks/backpacks are the usual culprits as they cover up a load of armour. So you keep them separate, paint them up and then stick then together as sub assemblies
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Post by Danno on Oct 26, 2021 20:27:20 GMT
Sorry, what is a sub assembly? I need to add instruction videos to my list. Can recommend Goobertown hobbies, Midwinter Minis and Striking Scorpion as channels to watch/listen to as you go. They don't tend to do a lot of stuff you'll find directly relevant but they have a nice hobbyist vibe that keeps me a bit more motivated. There's probably heaps of AoS channels but I can't offer any opinion on those because I need to see the corpse emperor dead and that takes up all of my free time
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Post by Mark1412 on Oct 27, 2021 8:37:58 GMT
I tried sub assemblies for a couple of skitarri which the friend of mine who got me into this kindly donated to help me decide on an army to fully get behind (I think it was more of a joke in hindsight considering how fiddly and stressful they are to paint). Used blue tac to avoid getting paint in the joints but still got some in and ended up using super glue and making a real mess of it. After spending hours painting them, very frustrating but think I salvaged them and the tiny models do look cool.
Also, can confirm having started recently that wallet emptying despair is accurate. At least it can be if you're not careful.
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Post by Danno on Oct 27, 2021 9:25:26 GMT
Jokes aside by the way, the dominion starter is 105 in amazon, 145 in games workshop. A bit weird as most other stuff seems more on parity. Missed this. GW have a 10~20% markup if you buy direct from them, resellers like Element Games or Dark Sphere have cheaper stuff and will order in anything they don't have in stock. No idea why this is.
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Post by oldschoolsavant on Oct 27, 2021 11:42:03 GMT
The excellent service. Something breaks in transit, GW'll usually just send a duplicate box/sprue - happy punter = more money long term.
Third party sellers don't have this option, and might replace, but they'll get "sale or return" on the damaged one later. GW trade price is around 50% of RRP, so third parties still find a small profit at 75-80% markup, and GW I suppose are happy with whatever they make + free exposure in FLGS etc.
Still remember buying Space Marine bikes in '99 that had Ork wheel sprues in error, just sent me 3 new bikes, and a bit of converting saw all 6 being used.
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Post by Danno on Oct 27, 2021 12:17:08 GMT
Ah that makes sense.
They seem to be stuffing up their goodwill lately what with shutting down a bunch of Yourube channels, limited run box sets selling out day one and ending up on ebay and whatnot.
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Post by knighty on Oct 27, 2021 12:34:02 GMT
Ah that makes sense. They seem to be stuffing up their goodwill lately what with shutting down a bunch of Yourube channels, limited run box sets selling out day one and ending up on ebay and whatnot. To be fair they’ve started doing a made to order promise to ensure that if you order 1 in the first weekend, you’ll definitely get it at some point. Which I think has helped supply as scalpers aren’t buying them to split as much now.
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Post by manfromdelmonte on Oct 27, 2021 18:49:56 GMT
On the subject of Army Painter as an alternative to Citabdel. Their metallics are good, their washes are great, their main paint line is hit and miss. Paler colours are decent if you're drybrushing, but the whole line is pretty thick so you're either obscuring detail, or needing quite a few thin layers to get anything like a smooth finish. A couple of ones I got in the starter set I had are borderline useless, with pigment and medium seperation which never seems to improve even after being vigorously shaken by a serial masturbator.
And on the subject of GW pricing. Is the offer of the free, exclusive Marine Sargeant for £150 online orders still on? Those exclusive sculpts can fetch decent money, which would make the difference a little more balanced.
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Post by Danno on Oct 27, 2021 19:09:08 GMT
Your post gets a like for the final line in the first paragraph
Their spray primers are solid as well, and a few quid cheaper than Citadel
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Post by oldschoolsavant on Oct 27, 2021 19:31:28 GMT
It's the new Army Painter Speed Paint that's getting hype at the moment, looks pretty good/useful as their take on GW Contrast, but yeah, I've always steered away from the rest of their range - heard too many negatives over the years.
Trying out Vallejo with oil washes these days, playing with inks and picked up a 12pc box of Arteza Metallics...for a fiver. Possibly awful, but they were only a fiver. Reckon I'll try something with them on the Tau in thon new Killteam box.
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Post by Zyrr on Oct 28, 2021 6:27:39 GMT
The Vallejo Metal Colour series are about the best metallics I've ever tried. They're sold as airbrush paints, but work just as well with a brush. Applying them over a gloss back primer with an airbrush gives you an extremely nice finish. The only real downside is that the range consists of a lot of variations of steel/silver and only one type of gold.
Green Stuff World sell excellent metallic pigments that you have to mix into a medium yourself. The pigment is very fine and goes on nice and smooth. The brass, bronze and golds are absolutely top notch.
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Post by Danno on Oct 28, 2021 6:29:31 GMT
And on the subject of GW pricing. Is the offer of the free, exclusive Marine Sargeant for £150 online orders still on? Those exclusive sculpts can fetch decent money, which would make the difference a little more balanced. Today is the last day for it!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2021 17:07:18 GMT
Hmm… first impressions are a bit mixed. Some random thoughts.
My fault I know, not enough research, but I thought dominion was the deluxe starter set, what with coming with the big rule book etc. So I upped to that instead of the extremist edition. Turns out it is not a starter set, doesn’t contain dice, rulers etc. Not a big issue as I mainly wanted it for the models, but I would have like scenery etc as well.
Damn these models are detailed, but also damn they are complicated. Gone are the days of models you stick on a base and stick arms on, these have 10 pieces each and I see why a scalpel for plastic trimming is so important.
I love the big hardback, I enjoyed just reading the lore last night.
I need more painting prep. And I think to watch a YouTube series or 5 on how to paint. Old models you just jumped in and repainted if you messed up. These… well they need to be painted before glued. It looks a lot easier to mess up. I was just planning to jump in and play around, but I think I need to step back.
Wow there is a lot of plastic in the box, hundreds of sprues.
Overall like it, but as I say it fits into a weird “this is a starter kit for people who already play the game” area.
Have to say, some of the models are great if fiddly to build.
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Post by Danno on Oct 28, 2021 18:01:25 GMT
I only got back into it at the start of lockdown #1, and felt much the same. The level of detail, number of bits and such was paralysing at first but it does get easier once you get stuck in. Goobertown Hobbies and Midwinter both helped as well, they're like playschool for 40Kers
Don't be afraid of making mistakes when building/painting, Green Stuff usually cures the former and you can strip paint off with a good soak in Dettol and an old toothbrush.
Biggest tip is patience.
Are you planning to play or just to hobby?
And if it's any consolation GW haven't done terrain in their 40K box sets since 2nd edition, I think.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2021 19:13:14 GMT
I only got back into it at the start of lockdown #1, and felt much the same. The level of detail, number of bits and such was paralysing at first but it does get easier once you get stuck in. Goobertown Hobbies and Midwinter both helped as well, they're like playschool for 40Kers Don't be afraid of making mistakes when building/painting, Green Stuff usually cures the former and you can strip paint off with a good soak in Dettol and an old toothbrush. Biggest tip is patience. Are you planning to play or just to hobby? And if it's any consolation GW haven't done terrain in their 40K box sets since 2nd edition, I think. A barman at my local runs a club so am aiming to play. Also the extremis edition does include terrain ;-)
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Post by manfromdelmonte on Oct 30, 2021 15:13:37 GMT
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Post by Danno on Oct 30, 2021 15:32:28 GMT
Great stuff, I like how subtle the Eliminators job is
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Post by LegendaryApe on Nov 2, 2021 12:07:29 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2021 19:41:37 GMT
Fucks sake. I bought it a week ago.
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