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Post by drakeypoos on Oct 10, 2024 17:09:00 GMT
Oh, and those buildings look good - just need some details picked out / highlighted in contrasting colours and they'll be grand. Aye. What's your process drakey for doing those buildings? I glued mine together two nights ago and I've spent too much time today reading about painting models, but I've no idea for scenery yet. If you want them to look like that, black spray, Drybrush working up through greys (I used three listed above). The dark and mid tones with the Drybrush need heavier pressure than I normally would with drybrushing, almost sort of smudging/sponging it on (sponging is an option for big stuff btw - I haven’t tried it). The benefit of this is that it has shadow baked in. The drawback is that if you are after a cleaner look, it’s not consistent colour, because there are some very tricky recesses around pipes, arches and things. Also, these are big models - and drybrushing is labour intensive. You’ll feel it! On something a bit smaller and where the detail is more ‘out-t’ than ‘inny’ building up layers of drybrushing kicks arse. Here’s my Norn Emissary base for example, and the big rock was done that way (actually started from a painted on brown). This has a couple of different layers and possibly some washes too in the recesses:  The current GW tutorial video for this scenery uses a light grey base, which is washed with a watered down nuln oil, before using a dry brush solely for highlights. I think that this will be the basis for how the box art was done, but probably with a lot of additional steps like glazing. The end product on that video looked a bit flat |
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Post by drakeypoos on Oct 10, 2024 17:13:12 GMT
Funnily enough the one IRL mate I have into miniatures who I sometimes mention sent me this exact video. It’s very similar to the GW technique albeit a bit simplified and using a sort-of zenithal with the two sprays. |
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Post by Tomo on Oct 10, 2024 17:18:41 GMT
That's very cool actually. Looks good with pretty minimal effort.
@ the GMG video
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Post by knighty on Oct 10, 2024 17:40:39 GMT
What do you use for basing drakey? You’ve probably said before. It all looks great.
Mines the texture paint, wash, then drybrush with the push on mordheim turfs generally and I just feel like the texture paint is a bit…flat. You’ve got decent stones and a more gritty texture. Every time I try to use garden stones they look like exactly that, no matter how I paint them.
Happy to step away from the GW ecosystem. I have tufts from a few different brands for a bit of variety.
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Post by drakeypoos on Oct 10, 2024 17:58:51 GMT
knighty thanks. Base is first painted in steel legion drab. Both me and Fork use Geek Gaming Scenery base ready stuff. Mine is called Plains of New Zealand. Sand, the whiter pebbles, and strands of static grass. I’ve put it in a Tupperware and this is what it looks like:  br] I use the basing glue from the same company, it’s a bit more effective than the no-name PVA I’ve tried in the past, and better than Elmer’s. I take the lid off and just dip an old brush in. I don’t dip, I scatter as if seasoning, finger and thumb My grey stones as seen on this base are these:  I also have a little baggie of very tiny grey stones and dust from the same company, that I occasionally use on larger bases to surround any stones. This stuff I use a gel superglue for. I’ll do these before the New Zealand stuff. When it’s all down and dry, I use a matt sealant spray from Geek Gaming, which dries clear and hard. As my models are on the base, I don’t spray though. Again, cap off, brush in, and I get it loaded up so there’s a big old blob hanging off the tip. I then place this on in patches and you will see it ‘wick’ through the material, it’ll spread with a capillary action. After that’s dry, I’ll scrape off any base stuff on the rim and any unwanted glue and touch up the paint on the rim, before applying AK ultra matte varnish with a brush around the rim. I’ve started using a hairdryer, keeping a bit of distance to not disturb the scatter, and using a hot heat from above the model, to speed up the drying of both glue and sealantand varnish (I will give it ten minutes each step first). That’s worked really well actually. The big tufts are just Citadel and Army Painter self adhesive ones. My original Citadel ones (they don’t make these anymore) came in a proper hard plastic snappy case so the tufts from everywhere are kept handily in there. That’s pretty much the full spec, sorry if a bit stream of consciousness.
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Post by knighty on Oct 10, 2024 18:23:59 GMT
Absolutely fine by me! I think it’s time I got a bag of that Llains of New Zealand stuff (and the rocks). Mine just looks like a featureless base of textured paint with a few scattered tufts - you need that variation I think.
I tend to base after basecoating, finish the model then tidy up the rim and spray varnish the whole lot with the GW Matt before tufts. Might look into painting the varnish on - could also make a difference.
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Post by drakeypoos on Oct 10, 2024 18:33:59 GMT
After advice from our very own Zyrr I stopped thinking about spray varnishing a long time ago. You don’t get brush marks from the right products, and you don’t have to worry about inclement weather, climate or anything else.
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Post by Nemesis on Oct 10, 2024 19:39:18 GMT
Well you cock magnets looks like I’ve gone and purchased Killteam Hivestorm.
I hope you’re all happy with yourselves.
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Post by Nemesis on Oct 10, 2024 20:04:07 GMT
Any new starter tips(!) so I don’t fuck the whole thing up would be most welcome !!
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Post by Blue_Mike on Oct 10, 2024 20:22:54 GMT
Paint before assembly.
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Post by Danno on Oct 10, 2024 20:34:57 GMT
Any new starter tips(!) so I don’t fuck the whole thing up would be most welcome !! Take your time. Watch a couple of YouTube tutorials (I can recommend some beginner stuff if you like). I find cleaning up and assembling models really relaxing but I'm probably a freak |
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Post by Nemesis on Oct 10, 2024 20:45:00 GMT
Cup of tea and assembling is where I think I want to spent my time rather than the day just disappearing !
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Post by Blue_Mike on Oct 10, 2024 20:51:31 GMT
Any new starter tips(!) so I don’t fuck the whole thing up would be most welcome !! Take your time. Watch a couple of YouTube tutorials (I can recommend some beginner stuff if you like). I find cleaning up and assembling models really relaxing but I'm probably a freak
Nah, cleaning mold lines is indeed quite relaxing. |
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Post by Danno on Oct 10, 2024 21:22:19 GMT
Cup of tea and assembling is where I think I want to spent my time rather than the day just disappearing ! The day still disappears, but there's a bunch of cool minis on your desk at the end of it. A good lineup of podcasts/albums and it just flies by What kit do you have? You'll need a hobby knife, spare blade or two, plastic glue, cutting mat and maybe some low grit emery boards as a starter |
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Post by zagibu on Oct 10, 2024 21:44:40 GMT
That's why chaos is cool, when you mess up you can just glue some tentacle or other weird thing over it.
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Post by magicpanda on Oct 10, 2024 22:04:31 GMT
That's why chaos is cool, when you mess up you can just glue some tentacle or other weird thing over it. Kind of the same with Orks  |
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Post by Danno on Oct 10, 2024 22:15:24 GMT
Needs more dakka
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Post by drakeypoos on Oct 10, 2024 22:26:02 GMT
Any new starter tips(!) so I don’t fuck the whole thing up would be most welcome !! If you’re a bit intimidated by it, consider trying to get hold of a practice mini first, they will sometimes give you a free one if you can get to a physical Warhammer shop, there’s one a month but they are first come first served. Otherwise remember if you don’t like your painting, you can always paint over it, and strip as a nuclear option. There’s a bunch of posts a few pages back where Magicpanda took suggestions for a shopping list. If you ever built Airfix it’s basically a similar thing, clip parts, clean them up a bit (file/scrape) and build them. Dry fit your stuff before you glue. I wish I’d done more of this on the Vespids as they were awful to build and I’ve melted half of the hips. For early painting tutorials, anything by Peachy, Duncan Rhodes or Warhipster on YouTube will give you strong groundings. Warhipster is focused very much on Contrast /Speed Paints which whilst a bit idiosyncratic in nature are more beginner friendly. Also look up slapchop which is gaining traction as a simple and popular way to get teams/armies painted quickly. Games Workshop themselves have a playlist on painting all the Hivestorm models and usually show you up to ‘battle ready’ (good working tabletop condition) and then carry on to optional ‘parade’ standard (fancier highlights and stuff). Find some time before you start to watch a bunch of stuff, take mental notes and get hyped. You got this. |
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Post by Tomo on Oct 10, 2024 23:42:49 GMT
I'm a noob to all of this as well nem... well, 25 years ago when I last painted - the concept of Contrast paints alone has blown my mind. Anyway, Magicpanda's post from a few pages back with links to items was super useful. As were some posters from drake and a few other posters. I've literally ordered a bunch of stuff today to arrive on Saturday, and on Sunday I'm off to Darksphere to get paints with a friend. I've started watching painting videos - they are weirdly ASMR-y. I particularly like the couple of Darcy Bono videos I've seen so far, such as: youtu.be/bP3rIUaQpDEThe production values on the videos are great and she really explains slowly and like you're a dumbass, which I am. So going to try copying her Vespids -_- |
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Post by Danno on Oct 11, 2024 5:05:33 GMT
Darcy is amazing. Her T'au absolutely blew my mind
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Post by drakeypoos on Oct 11, 2024 6:10:18 GMT
NemesisOne thing I’ve forgotten - you can’t build your Aquilons like the box, because enough parts aren’t included, specifically a laspistol weapon for the leader figure. There is discussion a few pages back on this. There are ways to get around this ranging from substituting a pointing arm to actually making a cast of the part. As a beginner I just recommend you build the option which has a bolt pistol and a chain sword and just circumvent the problem. The weapons are labelled in the instructions I think. But if in doubt it’s the sword with teeth! I’m going to a physical Warhammer today and am steeling myself for some awkward retail convo and a bruised wallet.
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Post by Nemesis on Oct 11, 2024 7:05:52 GMT
I still have it from a few years back, snips, brushes, and the like.
I’ll need to do a full inventory as I have some W&N brushes and older GW brushes knocking about. Into the cupboard of doom we go !
Those contrast paints look interesting on that video. Really smart.
Box should be here today. First port of call is the books and a few rounds of tea. It’s my favourite bit when I get the new stuff.
Thanks everyone. I’ll report in later when the realisation of what I’ve done sinks in !
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Post by Tomo on Oct 11, 2024 7:15:50 GMT
Thanks everyone. I’ll report in later when the realisation of what I’ve done sinks in ! Yeahhhhh... This happened to me yesterday when I was loitering on Element Games and had £140 of stuff in my basket. Suddenly shocked to realise I was about to breach the 300 quid barrier on this thing 0_0 |
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Post by ForkHandles on Oct 11, 2024 8:08:53 GMT
Heh, I don't think I'd like to add up what I've spent over the last 5 years on my hobbying. Let's just say that's it's all been worth it for he sake of my mental health if not my wallet and leave it at that.
If you do find yourselves tantalisingly close to the free shipping threshold on one of your purchasing sprees, I can really recommend the Army Painter Speed Paint (2.0) line, so many amazing colours and a couple of quid cheaper than the GW Contrast range. The Vallejo XPress Color range is pretty decent too.
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Post by magicpanda on Oct 11, 2024 8:24:05 GMT
Last shot before I finish all 10. Need to up my base game Patience and leather straps are my enemy right now. Mold lines as well. And money.  |
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Post by Tomo on Oct 11, 2024 8:25:38 GMT
They look sikkkk
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Post by drakeypoos on Oct 11, 2024 9:04:14 GMT
Really really good. Build up an army like that and you can be proud.
Just a shame the old Combat Patrol is gone because I think you would have loved it!
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Post by Nemesis on Oct 11, 2024 9:04:18 GMT
Just to state the obvious, but the GW plastic glue bottle is bloody annoying. The metal tube always goes to shit.
Aaaanyway. Got some Nuln and Agrax so that’s 90% of my work done for me ! I remember picking up some bits to go with Blackstone Fortress so I’ve even got some of Duncan’s TTC paints here. The idea was to do the Spindle Drones almost as a brassy kinda look so I’ve got a few brass and bronze pots. Somewhere I’ve also got the Army Painter D&D range from back in the day.
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Post by magicpanda on Oct 11, 2024 10:09:20 GMT
Wife is going into town today and offered to pick up something from the Warhammer shop as she walks past
I asked her to get a pot of Cadian Fleshtone 'for Ork Lips'. I'm not sure the guy that works there is ready for that kind of interaction.
Not sure the wife is either to be fair but I'm looking forward to the story.
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Post by drakeypoos on Oct 11, 2024 10:10:30 GMT
 One handed photography sorry as I had an armful of paint (why don’t they do baskets?!) but thought this was quite special in Manchester this morning. Blimey the Navy Breachers are tiiiiiny! |
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