Warhammer (with the models and everything)

Tomo, Necromunda is awesome. Treat yourself.

Yeah Element are my go-to.

What the Outpost did for Leviathan was do a pre-order period of their own which you could fully secure by buying Colourforge objective markers (which wouldn’t release until the game did). These were fairly low quality laser cut MDF things. You didn’t *have to* do the Colourforge thing but they said they would knock that off the price on release, so essentially they got lots of £10 deposits.

They said GW had told them that they would have enough stock to honour any projected pre-orders and I believe from memory several hundred were ‘promised’. They then got something like a third of them. Thankfully they prioritised those who had done the Colourforge thing so I did get it for £120. Many of their customers did not ultimately get to pre-order from them.

Now I have seen how GW operate, I kind of view this whole episode as a bit like those eBay scalpers that do much the same thing, and I don’t really think of offering them my business anymore. I think they compounded problems by publicly speaking out at GW too as they had many further posts talking about shortages. Bite the hand that feeds and all that.

Yeah I view Element, Goblin, Wayland and don’t sleep on Travelling Man as safe bets in the UK.

In fact I’ve got away with several big orders from Element by making sure my other half gets the lovely blackcurrant rock boiled sweet they tend to package 🤣

I think the other thing that’s appealing with Kill Team is that the team is the box you buy, a bit like Bloodbowl I guess. There’s not lots of list building beyond odd loadout options I think, and it therefore gives you the opportunity to dip your hand into more than one ‘army’, which is one box of 10 models generally. These squads tend to have 40K rules too, so there’s an opportunity to use both games with the same models.

To me even if I never play it appeals a bit because collecting and building teams isn’t a year plus thing like painting armies in 40K is for me, and allowing me to get some Aeldari or whatever without having to go big.

One thing I like about Kill Team (and Blackstone Fortress) is that it's given them a lot more license to release models for the weird edge bits of 40K lore that can't justify a full army codex but fleshes it out properly and makes it more interesting. Naval troopers, a Rogue trader and their retinue or Adeptus Arbites. They might just be allies in a 40K army but it's what gives 40K some interesting fun to it. They're all also just those random John Blanche or Jess Goodwin sketches of ideas, which again is what makes 40K so much more interesting and draws you into it. It went away for a while, Rogue Trader and 2nd Ed had more of it. Actually RT seems to have entirely been that but really it's before my time.

I'd genuinely like something more on the scale of 2nd ed (3-4 squads, 1 maybe 2 vehicles and a couple characters) but with more detailed rules. Rather than the drive towards 1 page rules.

Basically I like detailed skirmish games and larger tactical games. Where the larger tactical ones I like (epic 40K, BFG, Warmaster, Hail Caesar, BlackPowder etc.) or for skirmish (older 40K and Bolt Action). They have less special exception rules or weird deck building mechanics for each faction. But there's a core set of detailed enough rules which don't need many exceptions baked in to make it interesting. Modern 40K falls through the cracks for me.

EDIT: Also Custodes, Death Watch and Grey Knights should not be full fucking factions. They should be enjoyable weird specialist elite allies. But yknow Space marines gotta Space Marine. Or adjacent basically Space Marines with the Custodes.

The new Kill Team edition will (finally) have rules for solo and co-op play which, if nothing else, will give people a chance to learn the rules and practice with their team(s) before going up against a live opponent.

The stuff that came in the box plus a pringles tube glued on to a shoe box with holes cut out worked just fine.

Edit - as I forgot to embed the video, it’s about Vespid Stingwings.

youtu.be/NDLIpP5rIs4?si=dDH1H93s6CKJepRf

I don’t normally really rate GW tutorials these days, but this one is really good - just shows how you can get really good results using contrast/speed especially on more organic stuff. I think that’s ended up looking great. I possibly prefer it to the promotional Eavy Metal pics!

Funnily enough I don’t love the way they’ve painted the Aquilons either and I do wonder if it contributes to people feeling a bit ‘meh’ about these new models.

Was surprised there was no shading on the wings but this looks like a solid pattern to follow and build on, should I nab the set on Saturday. Looks like I’ll be ordering some new orange contrast with it!

Need to find some good tutorials on scenery as the biggest thing I’ve done there is the base on my Norn.

Travelling Man have let me pre-order Hivestorm at 7.30…fingers crossed.

£116 quid too!

Sweet. I’m just trying to stop myself pulling the trigger on a couple of other teams. I particularly like the Fellgor, Kommandos and Kasrkin. Rationale that these are the old prices and will sell out when the re-boxes launch. However I’ve just spent a load as I also got some spray and paints (am gonna do the Vespid in the contrast tutorial scheme I posted).

I do wonder who did the Vespid type enemy first, Halo, Attack of the Clones (watched it this week and was like, Vespid!) or Warhammer.

I'm in for 2 boxes

Don't need any of the kill teams as I already have all the rest. However, I am eyeing up the new cards for the convenience, but they alone are going to cost an arm and a leg for all the different factions. Problem is, GW have really bad form for cards for their specialist games, tending to never do a second print run when the first runs out.

If anyone wants the Night Lords kill team be there ready before 10:00 as that particular box will sell out pretty fast, I think. Seen an absolute ton of Chaos players just wanting to buy multiples of that one box.

What are the chances they make an app for this? The 40K app, aside from the codex paywalls, is very good.

Nemesis Claw kill team will definitely sell out, I think. It's basically a Chaos Marine set with an extra sprue to make them specifically into Night Lords - problem is that upgrade is only available in that specific box.

Space Marine Scouts might as well, as loads of SM 40K players will want the new models.

Both of these will come back into stock eventually, but with GW's current supply issues the question will be WHEN.

Can't imagine the other Kill Teams having the same demand, but who knows?


The Kill Team cards might be a 'one and done' run, but the problem is we just don't know. They're not essential, but they DO make it easier to keep track of all your stats, stratagems and rules for each member of your team if they're laid out in front of you on cards, rather than having to keep leafing through a book.

The big Kill Team box SHOULD stick around for a while, but the last few Kill Team sets have sold out almost immediately. As this is the start of a new edition, I'd hope they would be producing this one for a while to entice people in with a complete bundle in a box.

I honestly wouldn’t panic buy. If you are painting, you’ll already have lots to do. Even if you aren’t, although the teams are small compared to 40K there are still lots of rules to learn and I can’t see a game lasting less than a couple of hours for newbies.

However…as commented maybe the new Night Lords set will sell out. Independent shops (that is anything that isn’t the official Warhammer store) have plenty of the old kill teams in stock. GW are relaunching these with new packaging…and new prices. You will apparently get tokens with the boxes which I don’t think you used to, but it is unlikely to make the new cost worth it.

Therefore I have a hunch these old boxes will start to sell out fairly quickly so that people can take advantage of the cheaper price. This is why I’m on the fence. You can tell old from new because the old have painted artwork and the new have photos of the minis as the box art.

Data cards have been raised - if there’s a good app I’m less bothered by this.