Metal Gear Solid ∆: Snake Eater

MGS3 was my fave as well, aside from 5 had that actually been a finished game.

I'm sure it's been mentioned but the camo menu nonsense needs a proper rework. Even with instant menu loadtimes (which the PS2 did not have) it would be tedious. Killed the game for me as any immersion was broken halfway through most areas or sooner

All the camouflage, injury and stamina stuff was just a complete faff. It’s why I never got on with it.

PC port of PS1 version with lovely widescreen hacks running at stupid resolutions to really see that gourad shading in all its glory.

I've never played Twin Snakes, is it worth it?

Upvote, plus one, whatever. It's really good

Don't agree that they were phoning it in. If I recall David Hayter took a big paycut to rerecord his lines so they could rehire the original cast.

Mei Ling and Naomi in particular sounded like they were completely over it. And the new soundtrack was awful and completely out of place. But the main thing by far for me is the cringey over dramatic cutscenes. It's like what a child would think would make the original cooler

The whole game just missed the point IMO. The original was gritty and atmospheric, TTS had Snake riding a missile like a hoverboard to techno music.

It's still worth a look but I judge anyone who thinks it is better than the original pretty harshly

The game in my avatar cannot objectively be worse than Metal Gear. Subjectively, maybe. I've played Out Run for a frightening number of hours over the years on Arcade, C64, Spectrum, Amiga, Mega Drive, Saturn, Xbox, Dreamcast, PS4, and Switch. I've owned it for probably every system I've ever owned.  I kind of enjoyed an hour or two of Metal Gear 1 but got bored of it before I finished it, got bored of 2, missed 3 altogether (though I've got vague memories of someone making me try it once for comedy value), and watched someone else play through 4, which was the most tedious experience of them all. There may be gameplay there, but it's drowning in a sea of unbearably pretentious waffle.

Oh, I've got the 5th on the PS because I enjoyed the demo thing they put out. For an hour or so. Was only four quid so seemed rude not to, but whether I'll get around to playing it is another thing entirely.

We're side tracking a bit, but you seem to be judging 80's arcade games for being.... 80's arcade games. I don't find sprite-scaled racers 'irrelevant' in the slightest, and OutRun, as old as it is, is still one of the best. The sequels are brilliant, but they're their own thing, and of these 'dozens' of better arcade racers I'd agree to disagree. Sega Rally, Daytona, Ridge Racer? All brilliant, all very different beasts. The recent Horizon Chase Turbo is basically OutRun with polys and it reviewed pretty well, so obviously there are folk out there that agree with me. Space Harrier is another I've heard called a 'tech demo' or 'shallow', usually by people that can't complete more than two levels on a credit.

I'd still rather play Super Hang-On than most current-gen motorbike games exactly because it's 'shallow' (I prefer easy to pick up). You can pick up the basics in second, but good luck on the Expert course.

Metal Gear 1 simply isn't worth bothering with because there are dozens of better sneaking games, including its own sequels. See?

Good question. I remember they had to redo audio for Twin Snakes as they lost the original audio so Hayter took a pay cut to pay for everyone.

But where do we stand on Outrun vs. MGS4 for objectively worst game of all time

EDIT: Dang do none of you read a few posts before replying

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I'm ready to give MGS3 another go.

I only ever played the original 'vanilla' MGS3 with the shit camera angle. I enjoyed it but didn't love it like the other games in the series.

I particularly like when his bandana scowls