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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Jan 12, 2022 13:47:46 GMT
There's plenty to like. The Twins, badass Wookies, Rankor trainers. There's stuff I'm not so keen such as Vespa gangs and lame shield ninjas.
All in all it's decent entertainment. I'm over Jake The Muss age issues. I know the anoraks insist he's in his 30s but I'm ignoring that and taking him as older.
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Post by gamecat on Jan 12, 2022 13:49:08 GMT
Fat Boba is getting on my nerves in this, neat that he was Jango and all, but I think being able to act would be better. Staring into the middle distance, gurning through perfect teeth and stressing the last syllable of every sentence, doesn't really cut it.
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Post by simple on Jan 12, 2022 14:03:09 GMT
I don’t mind his acting. Its that the plot basically hasn’t advanced and we’re already half-way through the series.
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Post by oldschoolsavant on Jan 12, 2022 17:15:08 GMT
Sorry, but not even Danny Trejo can save this. The whole concept of Boba becoming a crime lord doesn't really work when Boba himself hasn't a clue wtf he's supposed to be doing, bumbling about from flashback to set piece and back to the bacta. Remember when Boba fell into a Sarlaac back in the day, and we all chuckled at this famed ruthless bounty hunter being so inept ?
Turns out it's entirely true, he's an absolute fuckup. Completely out of his depth and the badass appearance in Mando was all lies lol.
As for the cyber kids and their sweet rides, holy jesus fucksticks. Just no. No.
Here was the opportunity to really show a darker, seedier path of the criminal underbelly of SW, away from the Mandalorian as the family suitable show, and we saw more violence in the parent show than BBF thus far. I was laughing my ass off at his excitement during the Rancor scenes and the expressions he was making, it was that bad. Oh my.
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Post by lexw on Jan 12, 2022 17:53:29 GMT
Turns out it's entirely true, he's an absolute fuckup. Completely out of his depth and the badass appearance in Mando was all lies lol. Here was the opportunity to really show a darker, seedier path of the criminal underbelly of SW, away from the Mandalorian as the family suitable show, and we saw more violence in the parent show than BBF thus far. I feel you really wanted something you were absolutely never going to get (the second thing), and are acting like the first thing is unintentional. You know who is writing and showrunning this, right? It's Filoni and Favreau just like the Mandalorian. They've done a bunch of work together, and expecting Filoni particularly to suddenly "go dark" is just weird. It's like expecting James Gunn to do some sort of really serious movie or the like. The first point is clearly intentional. He is pretty inept. He's not a borderline-superhero like The Mandalorian. There's no possibility we're intended to think Fett is some kind of super-badass. Anyone who wanted that is going to be disappointed. It's fine to dislike it, as an artistic choice but it's a definite and intentional choice to show Fett as out of his depth, naive, ineffectual as a crimelord and so on. There's stuff I'm not so keen such as Vespa gangs and lame shield ninjas. I loved both of those, personally, but especially the Vespa gang, because they're really part of the whole Star Wars style, not just the OT style. Particularly the space-vespas screamed "prequel style" to me, and honestly? I love it. The prequels had a lot wrong with them but style wasn't part of it. The shield ninjas were delightfully odd, and only their parkour got a bit old. I don’t mind his acting. Its that the plot basically hasn’t advanced and we’re already half-way through the series. I think that's my main issue with the show, and it's been an issue with a lot of Filoni shows, honestly. Still I'm enjoying this as a bit of Star Wars nonsense that doesn't take itself too seriously or require everyone to be a hypercompetent superbadass, nor, laughably, to be "really dark".
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Post by oldschoolsavant on Jan 12, 2022 18:50:49 GMT
That'd be Mando that got wrecked by a shaggy hairy beast, right ? And Boba reintroduced tearing through troopers to get his eye in with the reclaimed armour, right ? I lose track of when they're supposed to be badass or not. The rest of my ranting you took far too seriously. Visions was what, a few months ago ? Perfect examples of taking a known IP and doing something off-kilter with it, and more importantly, setting up an engaging story within an even shorter timeframe. Half of those had a "I'd watch a series of that..." feeling after a sub-20min one off episode. I'm well aware Filoni and Favreau are on this, and it definitely feels like an afterthought behind The Mando. What is the point of Boba becoming daiymo ? Why does he want to become daiymo ? Does he see it as a promotion from bounty hunting ? Does he feel it's his right after being Jabba's boy for so long ? Just for the money or prestige ? A simple premise, a simple characterisation, a simple question - and yet he doesn't seem to even ponder it himself, let alone give us an answer or reason to care. If you can't even clarify what the driving motivation is behind your main character in the simplest terms - that's a problem. It's why he seems to bumble around so much, and I half expect him to think "sod this" and fuck off in Slave 1 at the next opportunity.
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Post by Whizzo on Jan 12, 2022 19:15:42 GMT
I enjoyed this week's quite a bit, it's incredibly daft but I certainly wasn't expecting Mods with mods on Vespa speederbikes. The not that speedy chase scene was clearly done for laughs with all the cliches popping up.
Finally Fett has realised he needs more than a few droids, a couple of Gamorreans and Fennec Shand to be a crimelord.
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Post by oldschoolsavant on Jan 12, 2022 19:20:58 GMT
He's the latest iteration of that Vin Diesel/F&F "family" meme so far. And Fennec needs to kill something. Fast.
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Post by khanivor on Jan 12, 2022 20:32:49 GMT
This show keeps this trajectory going, by episode seven it’s going to be spectacular
Gonna dig out my Rancor toy for the kid. She wants a pet one.
/plans on checking to see if sale price goes up
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Post by khanivor on Jan 12, 2022 20:37:19 GMT
Kin hell, Lego Rancor is worth more and it’s less than ten years old
/goes to dig out Lego Rancor
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Post by captbirdseye on Jan 12, 2022 20:54:14 GMT
That Fett Vs Krrsantan fight was like two WWE jobbers slugging it out in slow motion.
I think the shows just badly written rather than trying to protray Fett out of his depth. It all just plods along with no real direction and random fan service dropped in here and there. The only decent part of show has now been deleted off screen.
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Post by simple on Jan 12, 2022 22:09:53 GMT
I feel like Mandalorian is what we all dreamt a Boba Fett show would be. Book of Boba Fett is more like what he gets up to on his vacations between cool bounty hunts and exciting adventures.
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Post by brokenkey on Jan 12, 2022 22:27:54 GMT
Presumably wookie was trying to take him alive, otherwise he could have just shot through the bacta tank glass?
Also, if water is such an expensive commodity, why it it stored in fragile tanks on stilts that can be tipped over?
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Post by rawshark on Jan 12, 2022 22:55:13 GMT
The cyber-modrophenia gang just seem really out of place. Like from another show entirely.
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Post by lexw on Jan 12, 2022 23:35:23 GMT
I think the shows just badly written rather than trying to protray Fett out of his depth. It all just plods along with no real direction and random fan service dropped in here and there. The only decent part of show has now been deleted off screen. The problem with that opinion is that it's nonsensical because it's written by the same exact people as the Mandalorian, Rebels, Clone Wars, etc. And it's not taking a different approach or anything to those - it's still an action-adventure serial. So how would that be? Writers don't just suddenly "become bad" in that way. So the only rational conclusion is that it's intended to be this way - and it's not a surprising conclusion either. Fett has been joked about as being inept for decades. So really they're just giving us what we wanted, y'know? Maybe that's a Monkey's Paw thing, but I cannot buy this idea "Somehow, Filoni and Favreau suddenly became inept writers". Again, by all means criticise the artistic direction they've taken, but claiming they're just suddenly incapable? Just seems silly. Visions was what, a few months ago ? Perfect examples of taking a known IP and doing something off-kilter with it, and more importantly, setting up an engaging story within an even shorter timeframe. Yeah, and there's a reason Visions is explicitly non-canon, and none of that was particularly dark either (despite sort of implying it might be) - I suspect the darkest we'll see in SW until a new generation takes over at Disney is probably going to be Andor (btw the trailers for that have the funniest damn art for the title, it looks like something from 2001 videogame, and not a high-budget one) and/or (npi) Rogue One. This like most Filoni stuff, is canon, so Disney have a different attitude to it. It's why he seems to bumble around so much, and I half expect him to think "sod this" and fuck off in Slave 1 at the next opportunity. I mean, I think that may well be what happens. Fett essentially has to either shape up, or give up. I don't think he entirely knows why he wants to be Daimyo himself. This is not unusual for Filoni or Favreau stuff either. In S1 of Rebels people spend ages working out their own motivations, and there are some slow-ass episodes before they do. Likewise Mandalorian to some extend, particularly re: taking care of BY (though I think they got that under control a bit faster). It's possible the show will just blunder around, but even if it does, I would assume that was intentional blundering, based on previous work. That doesn't mean you have to like it, of course. But I did enjoy this dumb episode (and it was dumb) where not very much happened.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 23:48:30 GMT
I'm liking the show a lot, although some of the visuals in this episode were a little goofy. The speeder bike chase in particular, and not only because they looked like Episode 2 50s Space Diner bikes, but just the green screen and way the speeders were bouncing around felt almost stop motiony. Maybe intentional since Robert Rodriguez has always liked hammy low budget effects but it's a bit jarring when compared to the rest of the show.
Sorry, bit of a ramble there. What I wanted to say was, as much as I'm liking this, there's one thing I don't understand. Why does Boba want to be the resident crime lord, and why does he expect everyone to kneel to him when he's trying to do everything by the book? He's more running for mayor than he is grabbing the city by the balls.
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Post by aubergine on Jan 13, 2022 0:39:28 GMT
I think I’m going to go ahead and say this is bad. The Cute Rancor is going to be the new Baby Yoda. The bizarrely clean kids on popsicle dodgem cars chasing Mr Who Cares was laughable. The way the story is presented with flashbacks is a terrible choice. It’s impossible to care about what he’s doing in the present because there’s no explanation of why he’s suddenly even interested in being crime boss.
Mandalorian no doubt stole the potential thunder of a Boba Fett show by being a great Bounty Hunter show. Making out Fett to be some kind of Noble Scamp instead of a ruthless badass villain is a mistake. I’m finding the effects a mixture of impressive and terrible. And he should just keep his helmet on all the time DESPITE it being done already in Mandalorian. Every scene where he takes the helmet off goes from “I’m listening” to “Oh, right, this actually sucks.”
I can’t blame Temuera Morrison, who I’ve met and thought was very nice, and who will always be a legend for his work in New Zealand movies. I could never blame a working actor for taking high profile work and I hope he does well from it. Basically, this is George Lucas’ fault for retrofitting Fett with this shit in his I’m Special editions and the awful prequel trilogy, and I guess Favrea for getting it so wrong with the writing here.
Maybe the story is actually good, but it needed to be presented chronologically to give Fett a proper arc and explain why he suddenly wants to rule Tatooine. The b bit with the Tuskens being killed off was totally predictable and presumably this will lead to him going on a vengeance spree as he discovers who was ultimately responsible. Which the story is ALSO doing in the present as he investigates who is really trying to kill him again.
It’s just… kind of shit. How fucking hard is it to kill someone in a tank of water when you’ve snuck up on them? Rubbish.
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Post by khanivor on Jan 13, 2022 2:55:59 GMT
The speeder bike scene was pretty janky. I really dug the Vespa-wing class speeders themselves. However, it looked like they had the actors riding a real bike which was scoped out and replaced with the vespas. Whatever they were riding was not speeder like.
Not gonna be surprised if they turn out to be those pokey wee midget motorcycles.
Personally, I’m really enjoying the slow build. The lack of certainty of outcome. The back story with the Tuskens was well done and moving, even before they were removed from the board sooner than expected.
I’ve faith in the showrunners. They do have their own style and I’m willing to extend the benefit of the doubt graciously. I like that we don’t know where it’s going to end. We don’t know if this is one abs done, who will live, who will die.
Not good to forget that while Mando came out of the gates stronger by sheer ducking necessity - it was launching Disney’s streaming service. Even so, it didn’t play it’s best card till the very last ducking shot, which changed everything
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Post by khanivor on Jan 13, 2022 3:01:43 GMT
/waits for Howard the FUCK to show up on Disney+
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jan 13, 2022 3:20:29 GMT
I feel like Mandalorian is what we all dreamt a Boba Fett show would be. Which is why I don't get why they decided to do *another* Boba Fett show. Did they really need a second one? They could have slightly tweaked Mando and made him into Fett if they really wanted.
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Post by khanivor on Jan 13, 2022 3:30:32 GMT
There’s going to be a reason why this story of Boba Fett was told.
Filoni is getting to do sequels to his animated shows but in live action and with access to legacy characters and plots.
I mean, does anyone think all the shows coming out this year - five live action, two animated - are all separate stories that all just so happen to share the same cast of characters and time periods that Filoni spent the last few decades writing, often with George Lucas?
Not sure if Disney had twigged that Lucas got his money and is now getting to help tell the stories as well
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Post by Onny on Jan 13, 2022 5:44:59 GMT
This is an odd sort of series, for me. I’m enjoying the flashbacks immensely - very good storytelling, convincing desert setting and banthas, quite emotional sometimes. But the “present day” stuff just isn’t working for me at all. Part of it is the lack of motivation, and part of it is the strangely bad costume and set design. One of the appealing things about Star Wars 4-6 (for me) is that many of the locations and outfits look lived in, authentic. But with the prequels, and the advent of CGI, many surfaces and clothes have a sort of shiny, pristine look which makes it feel less believable. And the “present day” Boba Fett bits have this same look, IMO. I was especially disappointed by the street gang. Augmented humans? In Star Wars? This will be cool! But it turns out they looked like some CITV rejects. Honestly, that dudes eye was terrible.
At this point I really wished they’d ditched the “Lost-style flashbacks” conceit and just told it as a straight story. 3 episodes of Tusken Raiders then up to the present day. At least then we’d understand his motivations and care about his mission to be Daimyo more.
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Jan 13, 2022 7:30:42 GMT
The speeder bike chase in particular, and not only because they looked like Episode 2 50s Space Diner bikes, but just the green screen and way the speeders were bouncing around felt almost stop motiony. Yeah that definitely felt off. They didn't move convincingly at all and you really felt the the wheels/mechanism underneath. Plus the whole chase felt like it was conducted at about 20mph.
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Post by EMarkM on Jan 13, 2022 7:31:05 GMT
My thoughts so far: We’re enjoying it, and it’s great to be back in the world of Star Wars, but it still feels directionless (the story, not the technical directing).
We are: 50 yr old SW fan who loves everything except the prequels, 49 yr old non-fan who watches because the little ‘un does, 9 yr old SW obsessive who even loves the prequels (she’ll grow up, don’t worry).
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Post by Whizzo on Jan 13, 2022 13:11:09 GMT
I think the show's direction showed up at the end of the episode getting off the star cruiser.
Episode 3 did blindside me a bit with the Tuskens getting wiped out, I'd assumed that they'd end up being an ally of Crimelord Fett later on but that's obviously right out now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 14:10:29 GMT
Good job this is shit or I'd be pretty annoyed about that spoiler.
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Jan 13, 2022 14:24:49 GMT
Please keep yourself in check!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 15:02:22 GMT
My buddy is asleep at the moment.
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Post by snackplissken on Jan 13, 2022 15:48:52 GMT
My thoughts so far: We’re enjoying it, and it’s great to be back in the world of Star Wars, but it still feels directionless (the story, not the technical directing). We are: 50 yr old SW fan who loves everything except the prequels, 49 yr old non-fan who watches because the little ‘un does, 9 yr old SW obsessive who even loves the prequels (she’ll grow up, don’t worry). Well I mean the sequels were directionless as well. I'd say the prequels actually had a better story..
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Post by captbirdseye on Jan 13, 2022 16:56:31 GMT
Temuera will always be that guy that from Shortland Street. I always hum the tune when he appears on screen.
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