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Post by britesparc on Feb 5, 2022 8:34:15 GMT
There's usually one of the three films that people hate, whereas the other two trilogies are a lot more stable in quality. To me this seems to be a product of time though. When the PT was new, opinion was much more about the individual movies, with TPM generally hated, AotC often seen as forgettable, and RotS strangely positive (some people said it was better than RotJ!). I think it's hard to predict if the same exact thing will happen with the ST, but I suspect it'll split into more like people who generally think the whole thing was okay, even if they thought one movie was "the worst" and people for whom, the "bad" movie (usually TLJ or TRoS) is so bad, the whole thing should DIAF. The biggest difference is that TLJ is more divisive than any PT movie, but I think because it splits long-term fans like 50/50 "worse than the prequels"/"about as good as the OT", when you add in the kids who saw it, who will almost inevitably like it (they liked TPM and even forgive AotC for god's sake), it'll trend towards being viewed positively. I mean, I could be wrong, but I'd be surprised if 15 years from now opinion isn't more stable in the same way you're describing. Y'know, I think you're probably right. Especially when - like all Star Wars - the truly terrible ideas (especially in TROS) just get absorbed and we're all used to it. Fifteen years and the big discourse will be people arguing which is better, the prequels or the sequels! |
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Post by Red_Bool on Feb 5, 2022 11:31:46 GMT
But Maul is dead had a good death in Clone Wars which ended his arc. They won’t rewrite that. That was in SW Rebels actually. That also featured Thrawn. |
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Post by lexw on Feb 5, 2022 11:57:59 GMT
Y'know, I think you're probably right. Especially when - like all Star Wars - the truly terrible ideas (especially in TROS) just get absorbed and we're all used to it. Fifteen years and the big discourse will be people arguing which is better, the prequels or the sequels! Yeah for me nothing illustrates the "truly terrible ideas" eventually becoming accepted more than midichlorians. Like oh my god the rage about them when TPM came out, the burning rage. People were almost as mad about them as Jar Jar, but Clone Wars just casually incorporated them whilst retcon'ing and recontextualizing them and Filoni has casually dropped them in I think as recently as Mandalorian S2. Explaining and recontextualizing a planet full of Star Destroyers and Clone Palpatine will be a challenge but I expect Filoni et al are up to it! |
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Post by lexw on Feb 5, 2022 12:10:54 GMT
I don’t know if they can get Thrawn in there. I know NOTHING about Thrawn except that people always raved about his book trilogy, and they’ll surely whip him out at some point. Thrawn is probably not practical, nor Ezra, due to the ending of Rebels (Thrawn features heavily in late Rebels, drawing a lot on his book persona). Either could come back at some point due to said ending, but for a lot of reasons it seems likely there will be a show specifically about tracking them down (I guess plans might have changed though). I do think a big cameo is likely. I mean, Han/Leia are probably out for various reasons, Lando is unlikely, pretty much all the main younger characters in the ST would be like 0-10 years old so they're out. Darth Maul as others have pointed out has been well-covered and with a good end, so he's probably out. We've already seen R2 and I doubt we'll see C3PO. Sabine Wren or Bo-Katan Kryze are possibilities but I'd more expect to see either in Mando 3. Hera I can't really see connecting to the story, though she could sort of randomly pop in. It is the Book of Boba Fett, not Mando (despite recent episodes lol), so one possibility might be any number of surviving Clones - potentially there are a fair number still alive at this point I think, and obviously that would both be cheap and easy to keep under wraps because Morrison would be playing them. Having Boba bump into one of them might be pretty interesting. I feel like surely we've haven't seen the last of the Hutt-Lannisters, and someone already mentioned Chekov's Rancor. EDIT - There is a long-standing rumour that Harrison Ford did some shooting for this, so it is possible he'll appear I guess, but I'll believe it when I see it. |
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Post by aubergine on Feb 5, 2022 12:30:46 GMT
I didn’t know about Maul being dead again at this point in the timeline. Never watched the cartoons, except for “The Bad Batch” which had the Cad Bane guy at one point.
Maybe Chewbacca? A youth-ified Harrison Ford would be something I guess, but what for? Maybe for a chance for Cad Bane to get the Han Solo / Greedo treatment, and Han will blow his head off then say “Who shot first this time you red-eyed fuck? Can I say fuck? You can edit this out in post anyway. I’m too fucking old for this shit. It’s not the years honey, it’s the mileage. Where’s my pay check you cunt. Get out of my way my limo is here.”
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Post by khanivor on Feb 5, 2022 13:00:11 GMT
Thrawn and Ezra will be in Ashoka. We know Sabine is in it and she left to find Ezra at the end of Rebels.
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Post by simple on Feb 5, 2022 14:15:49 GMT
So are the cartoons all canon or are they just using the characters for Mando & Bob?
I don’t really have a million spare hours to catch up
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Post by britesparc on Feb 5, 2022 14:22:41 GMT
So are the cartoons all canon or are they just using the characters for Mando & Bob? I don’t really have a million spare hours to catch up Yeah the cartoons are canon. Pre-Disney stuff that's still canon: the six films, and the Filoni CG animated series/movie. |
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Post by H-alphaFox on Feb 5, 2022 20:56:47 GMT
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Post by H-alphaFox on Feb 5, 2022 21:00:59 GMT
Mrs Fox has a theory I like and frankly can see it happening in regards to the final episode and cameos. There is not many ways you can top that last episode sooo..... Grogu decides he wants to go back to Mando, Luke can't take him so calls for the safest ride he knows. Enter Han and Leia and c3po. Grogu is seen playing silly buggers with with an young Kylo Ren in the depths of the Falcon.
Would also explain the flutterby's on his phone home to Luke.
It'll likely be a focused Boba episode on the impending war/battle with the Pykes and Bane but the end will be Grogu is coming home. I came up with about 10 shitter ideas than that and can't see any other way to top the last episode. |
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Post by Onny on Feb 5, 2022 21:11:48 GMT
Thrawn is probably not practical.. Don’t forget that he is mentioned by Ahsoka in Mando s2, so it is possible. But generally I’m not getting my hopes up for a big cameo. I think it’s a but of a dangerous path to go down, to assume that every series needs a massive cameo in the ending; and I say that as someone who was fully bought into the “MONICA IS PHONING REED RICHARDS!!!” theories for Wandavision. Feel like I’ve learned my lesson now. |
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Post by simple on Feb 5, 2022 21:17:32 GMT
Watch it be a reveal that Jabba is alive and the brains behind the Pikes
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Post by aubergine on Feb 5, 2022 21:27:39 GMT
Oh, I’ve been racking my brains for who they could bring in.
Now my bets are: they will surprise everyone by making the episode about Boba Fett
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Moff Gideon
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Post by H-alphaFox on Feb 5, 2022 21:32:44 GMT
Watch it be a reveal that Jabba is alive and the brains behind the Pikes If Jabba was fed to the Sarlacc then yes, I can see RR directing that miraculous escape. |
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Post by simple on Feb 5, 2022 21:36:15 GMT
What if it flashes back to show Boba’s early bounty hunting days where he encounters Obi Wan?
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Post by Reviewer on Feb 5, 2022 21:41:24 GMT
Maybe it’ll be Kyle Katarn!
At some point Boba has to do something so it’s more likely to be about that.
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Post by H-alphaFox on Feb 5, 2022 21:42:31 GMT
What if it flashes back to show Boba’s early bounty hunting days where he encounters Obi Wan? Obi Wan and Mace Windu have both been popular suggestions in our house. No shit though, no matter what we think of the series as a whole we are still talking about it over dinner. |
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Post by britesparc on Feb 5, 2022 21:47:28 GMT
In terms of a "cameo" the only thing I think we'd get is a callback to Mando s2 - and also ROTJ - by having Luke show up at Jabba's palace at the end to return Grogu to Din.
I'm not fully conversant with the animated series so I don't know if there's some crime lord-type figure who could be revealed to be the brains behind the Pykes or something. I did like the weird Mardi Gras Hutt from the Clone Wars movie, though.
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Post by lexw on Feb 6, 2022 1:09:09 GMT
This is a pretty good thread:
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Post by aubergine on Feb 6, 2022 1:39:00 GMT
Apparently Cad Bane was mentored by Jango Fett and, in an un-aired episode of (whatever) Cad Bane conversely mentors Boba Fett. So there’s some speculation that Ep 7 will refer to Bane and Fett’s history.
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Post by ignatiusjreilly on Feb 6, 2022 1:59:05 GMT
I hadn't twigged until now that Grogu was the baby yoda thing, when I've seen it mentioned recently I thought it was from American Dad.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Feb 6, 2022 2:41:07 GMT
I'm skipping loads of posts because I'm only on episode 2.
Ep2 was better than Ep1, though still nothing amazing. Boba was largely less clueless and seemed to have a vague idea what was going on around him. Though he's still maddeningly inconsistent... sometimes he's a badass cool fighter, and sometimes he's a bit rubbish.
The present-day stuff seemed to be getting interesting with the Hutts and the Wookie, but then it went to all the sandpeople stuff. That was a bit less awful than Ep1, but it's still a gormless looking bald grandpa in his longjohns making weird gestures and baby talk to communicate... which does not exude cool.
Also, he has really weirdly white perfect teeth that stand out in a weird way.
It really seems like this is one of those stories where the young green kid gets trained up to become a badass fighter... except they've started with a supposedly badass middle-aged bounty hunter, which means it makes no sense.
If this was teen-boba getting lost in the desert and learning to be a cool fighter from the sand people, that would make much more sense.
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Post by darkling on Feb 6, 2022 8:37:40 GMT
Really should have been called The Book of Boba Fett & Mando. Still can't believe the mod gang are calling The Mods. Still can't accept Luke's face - needed more work.
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Post by KD on Feb 6, 2022 9:21:20 GMT
Qi'ra (Emilia Clarke) runs Crimson Dawn about this time.
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Post by britesparc on Feb 6, 2022 9:37:33 GMT
Qi'ra (Emilia Clarke) runs Crimson Dawn about this time. Ah, now that could be plausible, although I don't see what impact it would have on any of our characters, without inventing backstory we've not seen. Surely the only person who'd really give a toss is Han? |
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Post by Reviewer on Feb 6, 2022 10:10:14 GMT
Really should have been called The Book of Boba Fett & Mando. Still can't believe the mod gang are calling The Mods. Still can't accept Luke's face - needed more work. Or just got rid of most of the Boba stuff and done a season 3 of Mando with Boba as a background character. |
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Post by KD on Feb 6, 2022 10:43:14 GMT
Surely the only person who'd really give a toss is Han? Some comic came out in 2021 that had her run into Boba. |
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Post by darkling on Feb 6, 2022 10:46:25 GMT
Really should have been called The Book of Boba Fett & Mando. Still can't believe the mod gang are calling The Mods. Still can't accept Luke's face - needed more work. Or just got rid of most of the Boba stuff and done a season 3 of Mando with Boba as a background character. Yep, couldn't agree more. |
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Feb 6, 2022 10:47:38 GMT
I can't believe anyone was critical of the Luke cgi in BoBF.
It's the best I have ever seen.
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Post by clemfandango on Feb 6, 2022 10:56:58 GMT
I can't believe anyone was critical of the Luke cgi in BoBF. It's the best I have ever seen. Yep it was gobsmackingly good👍 |
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