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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2022 21:38:34 GMT
Jennifer Beals Yeah, I only just realised today she was the lass from flashdance.
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Post by H-alphaFox on Feb 3, 2022 21:39:07 GMT
A diet maybe more than anything else.
Started rewatching Clone Wars now, we need a Star Wars U thread in the TV section. I'd do it but I'm a little drunk.
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Post by Saul1138 on Feb 3, 2022 21:41:51 GMT
Is there only one episode left? They still have to establish Boba’s motives, set up his criminal empire, ride the rancor, avenge the Tuskens, guest appearance of Chewie, Ezra, Han, Hondo, Obi Wan, Thrawn and Vader. Plus, just for the merchandising, Baby Jabba. I cannot wait.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2022 21:43:14 GMT
I'm kind of hoping they just Poochie Boba and say he flew home to his home planet.
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Post by Immaterial on Feb 3, 2022 21:54:41 GMT
I am really looking forward to Chekhov's Rancor in the final episode.
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Post by simple on Feb 3, 2022 22:00:08 GMT
I hope they’ve modded the rancor
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Post by Nemesis on Feb 3, 2022 22:33:58 GMT
Jennifer Beals Yeah, I only just realised today she was the lass from flashdance. Pay attention that was pages back !!
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Post by aubergine on Feb 3, 2022 22:40:08 GMT
I hope they’ve modded the rancor Rancor in a beskar bicycle helmet.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2022 22:41:50 GMT
Did anyone else think Mark Hamill's voice acting was really bad ? I'm just kind of amazed he was able to make himself sound young. He's had a raspy older man voice for awhile now
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Post by aubergine on Feb 4, 2022 2:01:30 GMT
They aren’t using Hamill’s voice. It’s a mix of his and someone else’s and a computer or something. There’s probably actually very little of Mark Hamill in there, they probably just get him to record lines so they can claim authenticity, but it’s not remotely his real voice.
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Post by khanivor on Feb 4, 2022 2:17:09 GMT
Seems that this series was setup to finish with the ultimate fan service of fan service.
Chances of it being pretty much the entire surviving cast of both seasons of the Mandalorian - minus Cara Dun Fuckedhercareer - with the Jedis and Darth Maul, Han, Chewie and Space Khaleesi.
Just throw the whole fucking lot in. Maybe thin out the asshole contingent online through aneurysms of disgust. With luck.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2022 7:03:37 GMT
Yeah, I only just realised today she was the lass from flashdance. Pay attention that was pages back !! Was it? I'm claiming "old man" defence. I can't remember anything These days. ... And can currently not find my wedding ring. Eventually my wife's going to notice and then... I'll no longer be posting.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2022 9:21:40 GMT
If it's any consolation I am sans wedding ring just now after losing my third one a few months back. Can't seem to keep the things on my finger.
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Post by brokenkey on Feb 4, 2022 11:21:48 GMT
Have you checked if your mistress has found it?
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Post by spacein_vader on Feb 4, 2022 12:24:06 GMT
I had a friend whose wedding ring used to fall off with alarming regularity if he went into a pub or nightclub.
Oddly he's now divorced.
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Post by britesparc on Feb 4, 2022 13:45:36 GMT
Does anyone else feel like The Force Awakens has kind of broken Star Wars? Nothing to do with the quality of the film, it's just that because we know everything ends up in a very dark place - the three heroes fall out, Luke is exiled, his temple destroyed, all the Jedi dead, Leia's son falls to the Dark Side, her and Han split up, and a new version of the Empire rises up and (eventually) basically destroys the New Republic - everything that happens in a post-ROTJ story has a kind of melancholy air to it.
We can't really meet any new Jedi, coz we know there aren't any Jedi around thirty years later. Luke can't really move beyond the old Jedi teachings because he doesn't do that until after Ben falls and he meets Rey. Anything showing the New Republic is doomed because we know it all collapses again in short order.
I get that putting our heroes on the back foot is a great starting point for a story, but the more extra-universe stuff we see that's set in between ROTJ and TFA, the more difficult it is to create meaningful stories, I feel, because we know where it's heading, and where it's heading is a huge defeat.
And, FWIW, I don't think this is the same as setting stuff in the prequel era, as there's nothing to build there; there were hundreds of Jedi and a huge fully-functioning Republic for thousands of years, so you can get away with all kind of crazy side-stories up until Palpatine. Also the old Republic, and old Jedi Order, are supposed to be kinda "Rome at its peak"; we know there's corruption and hubris leading to their fall. Here, we're coming off a huge victory with a handful of beloved characters, and we're supposed to be cheering them on and supporting them as they build a new galaxy, but it's destined to fail and we can't really introduce anyone new because we know they don't stick around.
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Post by lexw on Feb 4, 2022 14:19:42 GMT
Does anyone else feel like The Force Awakens has kind of broken Star Wars? Nothing to do with the quality of the film, it's just that because we know everything ends up in a very dark place - the three heroes fall out, Luke is exiled, his temple destroyed, all the Jedi dead, Leia's son falls to the Dark Side, her and Han split up, and a new version of the Empire rises up and (eventually) basically destroys the New Republic - everything that happens in a post-ROTJ story has a kind of melancholy air to it. It's an interesting point, and well-explained, and thank you for mentioning the prequel era, because it is an obvious comparison, but I don't it has to be as bleak as you're suggesting. I've seen this discussed elsewhere. I think what you're looking at is part of why Filoni is ensuring he has characters like Mando, Bo-Katan, Ahsoka, likely Ezra (and Thrawn), and so on waiting in the wings. Re: your two specific points of "No Jedi but Luke" and "New Republic destroyed", I've seen this discussed quite a bit. 1) "No Jedi but Luke". I'm not a super-expert here compared to people I know, but I am (imho) reliably assured that we do not in fact know Luke is the "only" Jedi, just maybe the only Jedi Master. We have no idea if he trained a handful of students, dozens, or hundreds in the 24 years between this episode of BoBF and Ben Solo burning down the place. There are likely a lot of people trained by Luke out there. On top of that, Ahsoka, Ezra, and others may well be training people, and Ezra (IIRC), is an actual Jedi, and a powerful one. And Ahsoka is only not a Jedi in that she rejects that identity and follows (slightly) different beliefs. So it's likely there are plenty of "Jedi-like" and even actual-Jedi force-users wandering around between the OT and the ST, and surviving the ST. Also you remember the out-of-nowhere Force Dyad thing? Well, that can be used very effectively to suggest the Force is effectively keeping other Force-users out of the Reylo story, because the Force is leading to this specific confrontation with Palps, so it actually makes it easier to explain why other Force-users were not involved. Entirely accidental I'm sure but there we are. 2) "The New Republic is destroyed" - Is it though? All the evidence we have is that it really wasn't. Hosnian Prime was destroyed, and I have no doubt the Republic fell apart and lost a lot of its fleet, but that doesn't seem likely to be permanent, and it's kind of immaterial to the 24 years in-between trilogies. If you go after the ST, you could do tons of interesting stuff with trying to reintegrate the New Republic which may well have splintered. we're supposed to be cheering them on and supporting them as they build a new galaxy Are we though, are they building that? I mean, I think the characters Filoni is focusing on are ones who aren't going to impact the story of the ST or the run up to it a great deal, who are outside that story - the Mandalorians for example. We have no reason to believe from the ST that they were any more destroyed than previous or whatever*. So we can have pretty interesting stories in-between. They can absolutely introduce new characters, and those characters can absolutely "stick around", they just need to not interact heavily/directly with the ST characters. But they can interact less directly, or even directly in a distanced way. Like in TRoS, they were still introducing new characters (Keri Russell's for example). I don't doubt we'll see a detailed canon story of what actually went down that lead to Luke losing it, for example, and I strongly suspect we'll see more "breakout" characters like Ahsoka emerge over time, because Filoni is good at that. I think what we've seen shows Filoni is strongly aware of the challenges and prepared to meet them. And the huge fleet at the end of the ST that emerges to destroy the bullshit Sith Star Destroyers suggests the Republic still has some fight left in it.
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Post by Reviewer on Feb 4, 2022 14:52:37 GMT
We don’t know there are no Jedi thirty years later. The boy with a mop was able to use powers.
If there are any they’re well hidden and Leia didn’t know who or where they were.
It didn’t break anything, it just ended that particular story thread for good.
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Post by razz on Feb 4, 2022 15:31:27 GMT
That's it. The choice is just an illusion. We already know what happens with Grogu. The Jedi are just an order of knights anyway, just becausee there aren't many of them around any more doesn't mean that there are no longer any force users in the galaxy.
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Post by britesparc on Feb 4, 2022 15:58:38 GMT
I don't think I was clear when I said "no Jedi" - what I meant was, because the main characters in the sequel trilogy all act as if they've never heard of the Force, the Jedi clearly aren't a big deal anymore. I'm sure there are loads of them knocking about somewhere, but because casual everyday folk like Rey and Finn don't know anything about Jedi or the Force - and Han's "it's all true" comment suggests a lot of people don't believe in it, similar to how things were in A New Hope - they're out of the action.
I know you could write any old thing to explain where they all were ("after the destruction of Luke's temple, Jedi Masters Mara Jade and Kyle Katarn took the students from their temples into hiding to protect them from the First Order") but, for me, there's just so much failure and sadness associated with the three classic heroes that it casts a huge pall over everything post-Jedi.
I'll allow that I might just get frustrated/disappointed because what I wanted from a sequel trilogy was basically a LOTR-style battle scene but with Jedi vs Sith.
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Post by Reviewer on Feb 4, 2022 16:13:41 GMT
The originals said it was an ancient religion too, when the massacre of all the Jedi was only 30 years or less before. I just assumed communication across planets was shit (apart from the inconsistent writing being the real cause).
The originals didn’t cause anyone else to have heard of them, other than maybe Luke and that was quite a small group.
The sequels had bigger issues than that anyway. They can easily write around it, given they have a whole galaxy and any timeline they want.
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Post by lexw on Feb 4, 2022 17:23:26 GMT
The originals said it was an ancient religion too, when the massacre of all the Jedi was only 30 years or less before. I just assumed communication across planets was shit (apart from the inconsistent writing being the real cause). Yeah exactly. If anything, the ST is less like that than the OT was. I was totally confused when as an older kid I eventually learned that the Jedi were only wiped out like 30 years ago, i.e. when my dad was my age, but people were acting like it was centuries. Even if Luke's situation hadn't gone bad, he'd have trained, at most, hundreds of Jedi over that period, not the 10000+ of the Republic era, and even 10000 were not apparently enough to be more than myth 30 years later. I'll allow that I might just get frustrated/disappointed because what I wanted from a sequel trilogy was basically a LOTR-style battle scene but with Jedi vs Sith. I think that's one of those things that was never going to happen. I do think that's a major problem with the ST that the PT didn't fact to the same degree. With the PT, no-one had really thought in detail about prequels, so whilst they were annoyed, they were more surprised than anything. Whereas with the ST, tons of people had been thinking about "What's next" for literally 30+ years, reading EU books about what is next and so on, and had some verrrrrrrrrrrrry fixed ideas about what "should" happen and how things "should" be portrayed and so on. No matter how far-fetched. There are still tons of people mad as hell that Luke didn't become like "Jedi Daddy" with Mara Jade, for example.
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Post by britesparc on Feb 4, 2022 17:35:56 GMT
The sequels are weird because it feels to me that (very generally) every Star Wars fan likes the original trilogy; the prequels divide opinion obviously but you tend to get those who hate all three films or those who like them all. But with the sequels, people seem to find it difficult to defend them as a whole because the quality of the three films is widely variable. There's usually one of the three films that people hate, whereas the other two trilogies are a lot more stable in quality.
Classic trilogy: yay! Prequel trilogy: yay or nay! Sequel trilogy: erm, yay and nay? A little bit? At various times? I'm not sticking my neck out, you form your own opinion.
Obviously a very loose generalisation!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2022 17:41:37 GMT
Have you checked if your mistress has found it? God, if only I had the looks, money and energy for a mistress... any one of those three would do.
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Post by simple on Feb 4, 2022 18:27:58 GMT
I liked all three films in the sequel trilogy as big cinematic experiences but narratively they felt disjointed and as part of Star Wars as a whole I felt all five new films felt quite detached from the previous entries.
Which is odd because I completely buy Mandalorian and BOBF as taking place in the continuity of the originals and prequels.
I think the problem all five new films have is how reliant they are on spectacle over characterisation.
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Post by lexw on Feb 4, 2022 21:52:19 GMT
There's usually one of the three films that people hate, whereas the other two trilogies are a lot more stable in quality. To me this seems to be a product of time though. When the PT was new, opinion was much more about the individual movies, with TPM generally hated, AotC often seen as forgettable, and RotS strangely positive (some people said it was better than RotJ!). I think it's hard to predict if the same exact thing will happen with the ST, but I suspect it'll split into more like people who generally think the whole thing was okay, even if they thought one movie was "the worst" and people for whom, the "bad" movie (usually TLJ or TRoS) is so bad, the whole thing should DIAF. The biggest difference is that TLJ is more divisive than any PT movie, but I think because it splits long-term fans like 50/50 "worse than the prequels"/"about as good as the OT", when you add in the kids who saw it, who will almost inevitably like it (they liked TPM and even forgive AotC for god's sake), it'll trend towards being viewed positively. I mean, I could be wrong, but I'd be surprised if 15 years from now opinion isn't more stable in the same way you're describing.
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Post by Blue_Mike on Feb 5, 2022 2:11:22 GMT
It ocurrs to me that, given Dante and Randalls' fondness for Star Wars, when Clerks 3 is released I wouldn't be surprised if there was some joke about how Becca looks and sounds an awful lot like Ahsoka Tano.
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Post by aubergine on Feb 5, 2022 6:37:13 GMT
You’d think this last episode will pull out a megaton cameo like Luke last season. I’d bet on Darth Maul, but I don’t know if they can get Thrawn in there. I know NOTHING about Thrawn except that people always raved about his book trilogy, and they’ll surely whip him out at some point.
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Post by dasbooter on Feb 5, 2022 8:10:00 GMT
Does anyone else feel like The Force Awakens has kind of broken Star Wars? Nothing to do with the quality of the film, it's just that because we know everything ends up in a very dark place - the three heroes fall out, Luke is exiled, his temple destroyed, all the Jedi dead, Leia's son falls to the Dark Side, her and Han split up, and a new version of the Empire rises up and (eventually) basically destroys the New Republic - everything that happens in a post-ROTJ story has a kind of melancholy air to it. We can't really meet any new Jedi, coz we know there aren't any Jedi around thirty years later. Luke can't really move beyond the old Jedi teachings because he doesn't do that until after Ben falls and he meets Rey. Anything showing the New Republic is doomed because we know it all collapses again in short order. I get that putting our heroes on the back foot is a great starting point for a story, but the more extra-universe stuff we see that's set in between ROTJ and TFA, the more difficult it is to create meaningful stories, I feel, because we know where it's heading, and where it's heading is a huge defeat. And, FWIW, I don't think this is the same as setting stuff in the prequel era, as there's nothing to build there; there were hundreds of Jedi and a huge fully-functioning Republic for thousands of years, so you can get away with all kind of crazy side-stories up until Palpatine. Also the old Republic, and old Jedi Order, are supposed to be kinda "Rome at its peak"; we know there's corruption and hubris leading to their fall. Here, we're coming off a huge victory with a handful of beloved characters, and we're supposed to be cheering them on and supporting them as they build a new galaxy, but it's destined to fail and we can't really introduce anyone new because we know they don't stick around. Agreed. Force Awakens makes it very bleak. Rise of Skywalker shits on all the sacrifice and effort the characters me in the original trilogy and rendered it all pointless (Palpatine is infinite and can just rebuild, na nah!)
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Post by HoriZon on Feb 5, 2022 8:14:14 GMT
You’d think this last episode will pull out a megaton cameo like Luke last season. I’d bet on Darth Maul, but I don’t know if they can get Thrawn in there. I know NOTHING about Thrawn except that people always raved about his book trilogy, and they’ll surely whip him out at some point. But Maul is dead had a good death in Clone Wars which ended his arc. They won’t rewrite that.
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