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Post by simple on Jan 21, 2022 15:11:50 GMT
If you’d asked younger more SW fanboy me what a Boba Fett series or film should be it would have been the Mandalorian.
Just your boy flying about doing jobs and kicking ass and looking cool in his rad armour. It doesn’t need to be more than that really.
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Post by rawshark on Jan 21, 2022 16:45:27 GMT
Still haven’t seen a single book yet.
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Post by myk on Jan 21, 2022 17:08:38 GMT
I think Rogue One is going to be the closest we ever get to the movie that fans that grew up with the OT want. The franchise is caught in it's teen rating the same way Doctor Who is, there has to be a moral to every story and it's all very pantomime.
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Post by Immaterial on Jan 21, 2022 21:26:53 GMT
Yeah, but no. I really like the Saturday afternoon serial vibe. Makes me nostalgic. Rogue One AND Solo were better than the films from the first and last trilogies. That's my hill, right there.
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Post by aubergine on Jan 21, 2022 22:07:05 GMT
I assume you mean prequel and sequel trilogies. The first trilogy are the only actual Star Wars movies, before it was taken over by weak fan-fiction.
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Post by Saul1138 on Jan 21, 2022 23:40:43 GMT
Yeah, I know. It's just that apart from the Mandalorian (and BoBF), I choose to reject everything that Disney has done to Star Wars that takes place after ROTJ Having read the Timothy Zahn books, those we so much better than episode 7, 8 and 9. At least we got Thrawn in SW Rebels. Heir to the Empire was the greatest return to Star Wars one could have hoped for. That opening chapter, I pictured everything in my head, and orchestral score playing. The EU has always been hit and miss, but Zahn was someone who I felt got Star Wars in the way that I did. I still enjoy the output from Disney, The Last Jedi is the third best film from the Skywalker saga, imho. But when something happens in a story, you shouldn’t have to reference a separate source material to understand it.
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Post by Saul1138 on Jan 21, 2022 23:42:02 GMT
Still haven’t seen a single book yet. Always two there are, no more, no less.
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Post by Saul1138 on Jan 21, 2022 23:44:55 GMT
I assume you mean prequel and sequel trilogies. The first trilogy are the only actual Star Wars movies, before it was taken over by weak fan-fiction. RotJ is a bit shite though. Great set pieces, but they should have made it into two films. I know the history that the personal toll took too much out of Lucas, so I shouldn’t complain.
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Post by Immaterial on Jan 21, 2022 23:54:55 GMT
Basically, Star Wars turned to shit as soon as the fucking ewoks showed up- apart from the brief glimmers of hope in Rogue One etc.
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Post by lexw on Jan 22, 2022 3:50:27 GMT
Yeah, but no. I really like the Saturday afternoon serial vibe. Makes me nostalgic. Rogue One AND Solo were better than the films from the first and last trilogies. That's my hill, right there. That's a godawful hill to die on, especially combined with the later Ewok comment which is like grade-A "edgy stuff people said when they were 14 and trying to look cool in front of older kids". Rogue One is absolutely beautiful movie, with a lot of cool ideas, a very weak script and plot throughline, a lot of mediocre performances, some ridiculous fanservice, awful face CGI which literally makes the movie significantly worse for being in it (like, just delete those scenes entirely and the movie improves - they're nearly totally unnecessary anyway), and a pretty laughable ending which doesn't land because there's no reason to care about those characters. It really does look great though. Solo is just a bad movie through and through. It doesn't even look good. Nothing about it rises above the mediocre, and most is worse than that. Plus it actively makes Han Solo worse as a character, by implying he was always a good-hearted guy, so he has no arc at all in the OT if you follow that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2022 5:55:53 GMT
Agree ref the Ewoks, I was never a fan of them and thought the scenes with then fighting the storm troopers strained believability.
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Post by simple on Jan 22, 2022 8:06:43 GMT
I enjoyed the numbered sequels more than Solo or Rogue One even if they didn’t make total sense
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Post by darkling on Jan 22, 2022 9:58:29 GMT
Yeah, but no. I really like the Saturday afternoon serial vibe. Makes me nostalgic. Rogue One AND Solo were better than the films from the first and last trilogies. That's my hill, right there. That's a godawful hill to die on, especially combined with the later Ewok comment which is like grade-A "edgy stuff people said when they were 14 and trying to look cool in front of older kids". Rogue One is absolutely beautiful movie, with a lot of cool ideas, a very weak script and plot throughline, a lot of mediocre performances, some ridiculous fanservice, awful face CGI which literally makes the movie significantly worse for being in it (like, just delete those scenes entirely and the movie improves - they're nearly totally unnecessary anyway), and a pretty laughable ending which doesn't land because there's no reason to care about those characters. It really does look great though. Solo is just a bad movie through and through. It doesn't even look good. Nothing about it rises above the mediocre, and most is worse than that. Plus it actively makes Han Solo worse as a character, by implying he was always a good-hearted guy, so he has no arc at all in the OT if you follow that. I agree with all of that. Rogue One certainly has a lot of people tricked into believing that it's a good film, or the "best of a bad bunch", when in fact it's objectively very poor when compared to the original trilogy, if you look at the premise, plot, and characters. The same goes for all the Star Wars prequels, sequels, and spin-offs.
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Post by Reviewer on Jan 22, 2022 10:22:32 GMT
Tricked into their opinion?
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Post by Immaterial on Jan 22, 2022 13:21:49 GMT
specially combined with the later Ewok comment which is like grade-A "edgy stuff people said when they were 14 and trying to look cool in front of older kids". Aww, thanks man. Nobody has called me immature on the internet for ages. Did you disagree with my Ewok statement?
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Jan 22, 2022 16:41:45 GMT
Book of Bobba Fuck.
Good to see some biker gang slaughter though felt like a bit of a filler episode.
No more bacta tank.
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Post by khanivor on Jan 22, 2022 18:59:15 GMT
“Boba Fett was cool bounty hunter and now, for some reason, he’s bumbling and clueless’
I imagine we will see a character called like Zhac Deriddeye to explain what’s going on to the audience at some point
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Post by simple on Jan 22, 2022 19:21:33 GMT
Boba Fett looked cool but lets face it his one action sequence in the original trilogy was getting blind sided and falling down a hole
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jan 23, 2022 3:25:04 GMT
(As someone who loved Rogue One, and thought Solo was ok-ish (but better than expected)):
One reason I think Rogue One worked much better than Solo, was that it largely focused on new characters.
I guess you could say they were both filling in backstory that probably didn't really *need* to be filled in (getting the plans + weak point in death star, and getting the falcon + kessel run, respectively). But Rogue One basically just took that as a starting point to tell a new story about a bunch of new people. As such, there's a lot less pressure and expectation, less chance of doing damage to the character's reputation, and more freedom to do fresh stuff. Solo mainly just used it to fill in stuff about Han. Of course, there were some new characters introduced, and a couple of those were mildly interesting at times, but the main focus was on hitting all the plot points of Han's character. Which is risky because (a) we already know about them, (b) you have to exceed our imagination about them, and (c) it's very hard to add anything and much easier to disappoint people.
At the worst, if you hate Rogue One it really doesn't matter as you can ignore it and its characters. But Solo is now the official canon of how that character you loved came to be, and if you hate that it's much harder to ignore.
Mandalorian is Rogue One. Boba Fett is Solo.
PS/ I wish everyone would stop dissing Ewoks. They were cool when I was a kid and their village, etc.. was ace. Plus they'll happily cook you alive and eat you. I recently watched the OT with my kids and they loved the Eowks!
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Post by lexw on Jan 23, 2022 9:15:42 GMT
specially combined with the later Ewok comment which is like grade-A "edgy stuff people said when they were 14 and trying to look cool in front of older kids". Aww, thanks man. Nobody has called me immature on the internet for ages. Did you disagree with my Ewok statement? No problem, I try! I do actually disagree re Ewoks. Thing is, I was born in 1978, so when I first saw the SW OT, it was pretty scary and weird, because I was like 6 or 7 and watching it in video, and it was the terrible for adults but fun for kids Ewoks movies and cartoon that actually made me like Star Wars stuff, not the OT, at that age (though I did love literally everything on Hoth, my bro and I were obsessed with High, AT-ATs, snow speeders, tauntauns etc.). And yeah I liked the Ewoks in RotJ. I suspect had I seen the movies even a bit older maybe it might have been different, but it wasn't and whilst I might mock the Ewoks later and other people sure did, I feel like they were not a fuck up. The prequels had problems and aren't good movies but they weren't the horror show my generation and proper Gen X likes to pretend either.
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Post by britesparc on Jan 23, 2022 13:03:41 GMT
I think sometimes people forget not only that Star Wars is, at the end of the day, a children's property, but also that it's always been stupid and silly and full of contradictions. Even within the very first movie there's goofy stuff, but once you expand it to the original trilogy it's full of bonkers bullshit where Lucas is hastily trying to shove his new ideas (specifically around the Skywalker family) into an existing narrative.
Please note: none of this is a criticism. I absolutely love it. I adore the way Star Wars can feel like a mega comic book crossover. Jar Jar and the Mandalorian existing together is so cool to me, it's like when they have to write scenes where the Punisher meets Squirrel Girl or something. Bring on the space Vespas, it's what I live for.
It's also why I have to check my criticism of the sequels. There are filmmaking things I hate, and saga/mythology things I hate even more, but even with the prequels I just absorbed the crap stuff as part of the SW tapestry. Now I could, if asked, try to explain why I genuinely think the prequels are better, but I'm aware I'm in the minority; I think we all just have to accept that Star Wars is simultaneously excellent and stupid and makes absolutely no goddamn sense whatsoever.
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Post by zephro on Jan 23, 2022 13:23:46 GMT
Star Wars is definitely not a children's property, its just a relatively light and easy property. Most the crowd who saw it in 1977 were adults at the time. It's like Sci-Fi Dirty Dozen/Cowboys/Samurais. Though Rogue One leans in to the Dirty Dozen vibe harder.
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Post by britesparc on Jan 23, 2022 13:30:04 GMT
George Lucas has repeatedly called them children's films.
Disney won't think of it as a children's property, true, but it's clearly aimed (or at least geared towards being suitable for) younger teens at least. It's more entry-level for kids than the MCU.
Also whether or not they are children's/family films, that has no bearing on the fact that being silly is baked into their DNA and we should celebrate that! ;-)
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jan 23, 2022 13:34:08 GMT
They're definitely family movies. Other than Revenge of the Sith, which I don't consider particularly suitable for kids.
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Post by khanivor on Jan 23, 2022 13:34:33 GMT
Star Wars is explicitly a tale told to recreate the excitement and joy felt by youngsters of George’s generation watching serial adventures like Buck Rogers
Part of its enduring appeal is how it more than satisfies that goal while providing plenty more substantive aspects to appeal to grownups, the parents of said children
A formula that forms the foundation of most modern popular movies, from Pixar to the MCU.
Lucas’s works also brought us internet hate trolling with the prequels.
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Post by zephro on Jan 23, 2022 13:42:35 GMT
Oh agreed on the silly thing, Empire gets a bit dark. But yeah family friendly light entertainment, not high literature or anything. The moral equivalent of watching Sharpe. It's not like The Terminator grapples with any difficult issues that'd go over the head of kids it just happens to be gorier than Star Wars.
Also I wouldn't really pay anything George Lucas says any attention, he probably thinks the Phantom Menace is good.
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Post by brokenkey on Jan 23, 2022 13:43:34 GMT
There was very little goofyness in the original cut of star wars.
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Post by britesparc on Jan 23, 2022 15:45:15 GMT
There was very little goofyness in the original cut of star wars. Camp bickering droids? Funny-looking Jawas making silly noises? Solo's gaggery? It was always goofy stuff designed to appeal to kids.
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Post by Reviewer on Jan 23, 2022 15:51:38 GMT
Does it matter? They appeal to all ages.
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Post by britesparc on Jan 23, 2022 16:00:04 GMT
Oh God no, it shouldn't matter at all. Almost all my favourite things are more-or-less made for children.
I was just trying to justify space Vespas by saying that Star Wars has always been deeply silly.
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