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Post by AgentHomer on Oct 20, 2021 13:17:04 GMT
I am really struggling trying to work out how effective the HDR on my Panasonic TX-40EX700B is. I've had it a few years and am not that convinced it displays HDR that well at all, I am not seeing a lot of dark areas or vibrant bright areas either. I feel a lot of my technology is due for an upgrade at the moment. I did a quick check for you and your tv can only manage 350 nits. Which is why your HDR is a bit pants (no brightness). You really need 1000 nits as minimum. Thanks for the replies, that would probably explain why it is all a bit lacklustre! It's a good picture (movement is a bit off) but it doesn't have the wow I would expect so now I know why! I am a little space limited, I liked the look of the Samsung QLED until I saw the smallest doesn't do all the bells and whistles of the bigger screens. |
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Post by Derblington on Oct 21, 2021 16:19:02 GMT
So LG are releasing 42” and 97” OLEDs next year.
That 97” is going to be crazy money but I want it already.
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Post by technoish on Oct 21, 2021 18:24:38 GMT
Loved the title of HDTVTest YouTube vid: LG, why not 100???
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Post by darkling on Oct 22, 2021 12:20:43 GMT
Still not received the 120Hz Dolby Vision OTA update for the LG CX yet, but encouragingly the update is available for manual download from LG UK's website now if people want to manually install it, so the OTA update can't be far away now.
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Post by darkling on Oct 25, 2021 9:53:07 GMT
Has anyone upgraded from the Sonos Beam Gen 1 to the Gen 2 yet?
Are there any discernible differences? I'm quite happy with my Gen 1 Beam, and just trying to decide if it's worth the faff and expense to upgrade.
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Post by clemfandango on Oct 25, 2021 9:55:51 GMT
Has anyone upgraded from the Sonos Beam Gen 1 to the Gen 2 yet? Are there any discernible differences? I'm quite happy with my Gen 1 Beam, and just trying to decide if it's worth the faff and expense to upgrade. I have the sonos sound bar from 2017 ish, will this work on a new LD OLED as I think it is optical out only? |
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Post by richardiox on Oct 25, 2021 10:04:43 GMT
Just got the update on my CX to enable 120fps Dolby Vision support on Series X. Now just need Sony to enable VRR on PS5 ( a year late already but Sony gonna Sony ).
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Post by darkling on Oct 25, 2021 10:31:44 GMT
Just got the update on my CX to enable 120fps Dolby Vision support on Series X. Now just need Sony to enable VRR on PS5 ( a year late already but Sony gonna Sony ). Wehey! I just got the OTA update too.... Been eagerly waiting a week and a half for that. Finally, I can enjoy 4K 120Hz Dolby Vision on my LG CX and Series X \o/ |
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Post by darkling on Oct 25, 2021 10:33:42 GMT
Has anyone upgraded from the Sonos Beam Gen 1 to the Gen 2 yet? Are there any discernible differences? I'm quite happy with my Gen 1 Beam, and just trying to decide if it's worth the faff and expense to upgrade. I have the sonos sound bar from 2017 ish, will this work on a new LD OLED as I think it is optical out only? I'm not sure, depends on your model. Do you have the LG C1?... If it has optical out then you'll be fine. There should be a full spec sheet online somewhere. I use the eARC HDMI socket for my soundbar. |
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Post by richardiox on Oct 25, 2021 10:35:56 GMT
Just got the update on my CX to enable 120fps Dolby Vision support on Series X. Now just need Sony to enable VRR on PS5 ( a year late already but Sony gonna Sony ). Wehey! I just got the OTA update too.... Been eagerly waiting a week and a half for that. Finally, I can enjoy 4K 120Hz Dolby Vision on my LG CX and Series X \o/ I actually find HDR looks better but suspect it's just because I've calibrated it better / it's what I'm used to. |
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Post by clemfandango on Oct 25, 2021 10:36:14 GMT
I have the sonos sound bar from 2017 ish, will this work on a new LD OLED as I think it is optical out only? I'm not sure, depends on your model. Do you have the LG C1?... If it has optical out then you'll be fine. There should be a full spec sheet online somewhere. I use the eARC HDMI socket for my soundbar. Hi I've not bought one yet, I'll have to try and get the spec sheet. My Sonos soundbar only has optical out though and I really like it so I'm hoping the LG has the optical out on it... |
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Post by clemfandango on Oct 25, 2021 10:38:22 GMT
Just found the sheet and it does :-)
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Post by darkling on Oct 25, 2021 11:28:36 GMT
Wehey! I just got the OTA update too.... Been eagerly waiting a week and a half for that. Finally, I can enjoy 4K 120Hz Dolby Vision on my LG CX and Series X \o/ I actually find HDR looks better but suspect it's just because I've calibrated it better / it's what I'm used to. Yes I suspected that'd be true. I think it's because - for a Dolby Vision to shine - the source has to natively be in Dolby Vision, which only a few games are, currently. I think Gears 5 is... ? Depending on what you're playing, most Series X games are either "Auto HDR" (if they're slightly older games) or proper HDR. Either way, HDR lacks the specific metadata that drives Dolby Vision, so HDR is more of a blanket solution, which makes everything look bright and shiny, and generally great. However, there may be some areas where the standard HDR effect looks overblown. Dolby Vision is able to tone down these overblown visuals where necessary, if the developers put in certain Dolby Vision-specific metadata for the scene, to say "keep all light sources muted" or whatever. However, if you force Dolby Vision for a non-Dolby Vision source, the console will basically give its "best guess" as to what a Dolby Vision image should look like, which I believe ends up looking worse than standard HDR in most cases. I'll probably leave Dolby Vision disabled unless I'm playing a game I know natively supports it. |
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Post by Phattso on Oct 25, 2021 11:36:33 GMT
There's also Dolby Vision IQ, which I think the newer LGs have, which uses a light sensor to additionally adapt the visuals based on the actual lighting conditions in the viewing area. But yes, all of that is only worth a damn really for natively encoded content.
Games will be an interesting case though - I'll be intrigued to see how it's handled.
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Post by darkling on Oct 25, 2021 11:43:58 GMT
Yes it's a slight annoyance that you have to research if a game supports DV natively, and then enable the option on a game-by-game basis.
I'd like it if I could just leave the DV option enabled in the settings and the Series X determines if the source is native DV, and if not, display it in standard HDR.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2021 7:40:55 GMT
Now that I've had my CX a bit, I've started playing with the settings and seem to have screwed the sound.
I've set it to HDMI ARC and PassThrough (I've an ARC receiver connected to the ARC port) and I'm getting loads out of the back speakers, but the voice is on the front speakers and is a bit lost in all the noise we're getting in the back. This "was" all working fairly well until I messed about and obviously I can't recall what it was set to before as I was tired when I started messing.
I have noted that there's occiasional "breakthrough" of voice on the back speakers so I'm wondering if it is in someway related to the the unbranded go knows what bandwidth it is HDMI cable I'm using.
I tried PCMI (stereo) and got sound including voice in the back speakers. I also tried Auto and got the same as passthrough - lots of background noise and music in the rears and voice on the front three but quieter than we need as the rears have decided they are going to go for it now. I think the rears not having voice is correct (as the person speaking is in front of us and not behind), but it makes is a bit hard to hear at times. Seems less of an issue on more modern programs, but not perfect.
Turning off the Amp defaults to internal TV which obviously works okay.
Any ideas before I go and screw up the picture next? I was thinking (1) recheck the speaker setup using the amp's mic (2) change the hdmi lead from the amp to the tv (3) manually change the output on the rears so they are not as suddenly deafening as they have just got.
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Post by Derblington on Oct 29, 2021 8:13:31 GMT
If you're running a 5 speaker surround the vocals should only be coming from the front center for the most part.
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Post by technoish on Oct 29, 2021 8:18:30 GMT
Would rerun the receivers speaker calibration if you have it. Also you should be able to manually adjust speakers levels? I usually increase the surrounds a little bit, myself.
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Post by Dougs on Oct 29, 2021 8:25:07 GMT
I tend to pump up the dialogue. I think I'm going deaf.
Sound mix definitely sounds off there - there are often weird processing preselects on receivers, maybe one of those are selected (I can certainly force multi-channel if I want to (but why would you?!))
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2021 8:32:14 GMT
Thanks. Yes its a 5.1 and it worked fine until I messed with a setting on the TV. It may be that I messed something on the receiver as a result or it may be that trying to select the right source in the semi dark one night I've somehow selected a weird setting that has only now reared its ugly and over complex head. I'll recalibrate later today and if that doesn't work I'll manually increase the centre speaker volume.
I know I'm going deaf, but oddly I'm going deaf the opposite way to how most people do as I'm losing my lower frequencies. There was a neat app I used on my phone to check.
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Post by lew on Nov 7, 2021 9:38:25 GMT
Narrowed my search down to:
Sony X90j or the Samsung Qn85a. 75" for each.
I think the Samsung is just about a better all rounder, but doesn't support Dolby Vision. Sony has it, but its poorer in a bright room (Tv's going in the kids play room which is an orangary and bright from mid day - when the sun goes down).
The Samsung is slimmer and will look better on the wall but the Sony has more 2.1 ports will would be better if I bought the PS5 down here. Going to wait until Black Friday but trying to weigh it up.
Is the omission of DV a big no no? Got a 4k non HDR LG where the new ne will be now which the Series X is plugged into and a Hdr Samsung upstairs with the PS5 and the difference in night and day so at this point-just basic HDR is enough to impress me.
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Post by stixxuk on Nov 7, 2021 10:17:49 GMT
Missing Dolby Vision is about the only thing stopping me from getting a Samsung, so keen to hear people's opinions on this as well!
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Post by Derblington on Nov 7, 2021 11:59:59 GMT
I prefer to have DV personally but you aren’t going to notice the difference between HDR10 and DV if you don’t have it to compare to so don’t sweat it.
Try to view both TVs and pick the one with the better overall picture. That’s the thing you’re committing to for years.
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Post by lew on Nov 7, 2021 13:37:11 GMT
Also found the Q80a for £1599. Will wait to see if there's any reductions on the q85n in a few weeks and make a decision.
Cheers Derbs.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2021 17:55:12 GMT
Samsung don't support Dolby Vision at all. However, a Dolby Vision broadcast has the HDR10 information within it and your TV will decode that. Although Dolby Vision has more information than HDR10 and should in theory look better, you wouldn't usually be able to tell... not unless you had TV's side by side and even then the TV panel, processor and software would make the most difference. So although I prefer having "everything", you don't need to bother, especially if you've got 50+ year old eyes like what I have. I've a couple of mates who bought cheap HiSense TVs and they are over the moon with them. So, don't worry about it  |
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Post by One_Vurfed_Gwrx on Nov 7, 2021 18:02:02 GMT
My biggest concerns (other than burn in risk) is tales of OLED looking really had for sub 60fps games. And the higher model NeoQleds can be bought for hundreds cheaper than the OLEDs at the moment too (albeit with only 1 year warranties unless you pay more which may also be a concern). Buying TVs sucks  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2021 18:09:34 GMT
I've a CX and a Switch and it looks really good and there's no way that is doing anything like 60fps |
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Post by Blackmarsh63 on Nov 7, 2021 18:26:33 GMT
I've had 2 of this years high end QLED's and both had various issues and the lovely "dirty screen effect". Both were returned. I'll stick with my "dull" OLED with zero issues and Dolby Vision and all the lovely HDMI 2.1 features that actually work.
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Post by One_Vurfed_Gwrx on Nov 7, 2021 19:02:18 GMT
I've a CX and a Switch and it looks really good and there's no way that is doing anything like 60fps Switch is probably a good signifier as it has quite a few 30fps games (and some sub30). Coming from a plasma too so OLED has always been what I hoped for... No idea how older consoles will work through a potential future Retrotink 5x or equivalent but that is a whole different matter |
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Post by KD on Nov 8, 2021 16:21:22 GMT
Any reason not to buy the Samsung UE50AU9000 for £600? 120hz at 1080p, VRR and replacing a 2007 Samsung. Just a pc here for gaming on it (maybe a Series S).
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