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Post by RadicalRex on Mar 7, 2022 17:21:49 GMT
I hated W3 at first and was so foolish to crap on it on the EG forum, which was like stepping on a beehive. I persisted and learned to love it for what it's great at, which is telling "little" engaging stories, most of them side missions. As a general rule, I'd say finish the Blood Baron questline--if you don't like it at this point, bother no more.
I loved the medieval setting, liked many of its stories, mostly liked the humour, but was somewhat put off by silly adolescent video game machismo which it seems to play with a straight face. Combat is pretty bad, my personal main issue being that Geralt doesn't even do what I tell him to--there's a button for "fast attack" but instead of just striking/stabbing he rolls and pirouettes around all the time. Skyrim had better combat, and that's not exactly a high bar.
Again, think of it as a very story-driven game. That's its focus and that's what it's good at. My personal highlight was Hearts of Stone, its story captivated me, and that's being someone who usually doesn't give a shit about story.
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Post by EMarkM on Mar 7, 2022 17:38:28 GMT
I finished the Baron quest on that original play through.
I can see why people think it’s good, but the characters leave me cold and, a bit like some of the music I used to listen to, I honestly think I’ve just “grown out of it”.
Which is funny when I realise that most of my gaming is ZX Spectrum stuff.
Dunno!
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Post by Ulythium on Mar 7, 2022 18:39:43 GMT
I loved the medieval setting, liked many of its stories, mostly liked the humour, but was somewhat put off by silly adolescent video game machismo which it seems to play with a straight face. Combat is pretty bad, my personal main issue being that Geralt doesn't even do what I tell him to--there's a button for "fast attack" but instead of just striking/stabbing he rolls and pirouettes around all the time. Skyrim had better combat, and that's not exactly a high bar.
Again, think of it as a very story-driven game. That's its focus and that's what it's good at. My personal highlight was Hearts of Stone, its story captivated me, and that's being someone who usually doesn't give a shit about story.
See, all of that sounds like a big "Nope!" to me - as much as I enjoy a good story, I'm very much of the mindset that gameplay comes first.
A massive open-world RPG in which 75%* of the player's time will be spent fighting various monsters, as well as some human enemies, using a "pretty bad" combat system... I dunno. It doesn't sound as though it's for me. (Disclaimer: all of this is completely subjective, and I'm in no way knocking anyone who prioritises story over gameplay/views the two as equally important. No gaming-shaming here!)
By contrast, I thought most of the narrative elements of Ghost of Tsushima veered between serviceable and pretty bad, with Jin being the most insipid protagonist this side of Aiden Pearce; however, I happily put 70+ hours into it because the combat never got boring.
Of course, it's ideal when you get both great storytelling and top-notch combat at the same time - God of War, perhaps? - but if forced to choose, I'd always pick the latter.
* Approximately, of course.
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Post by cubby on Mar 7, 2022 19:17:48 GMT
I must be some kind of simp cos I enjoyed the combat.
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Post by docrob on Mar 7, 2022 19:29:53 GMT
I must be some kind of simp cos I enjoyed the combat. I don’t think the combat is bad, exactly. It’s just that it’s fairly simple, and not overly difficult most of the time. That’s fine because it isn’t the focus of the game. The game is about the story, and the combat is the punctuation. W3 isn’t the kind of game where you have 30 tries to beat the boss. Which is absolutely fine as far as I’m concerned - there are other games for punishing you. As has been said, part of the charm here is to prepare for fights with the right oils, right weapons and right potions.
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Post by RadicalRex on Mar 7, 2022 20:05:57 GMT
See, all of that sounds like a big "Nope!" to me - as much as I enjoy a good story, I'm very much of the mindset that gameplay comes first. I am too, but still I'm glad I've played W3 because it is special in some of the stories it tells. And as you can see, not everyone hates the combat. I do, and many do, but that doesn't necessarily mean you will. I just don't want to be the guy who made you not play the game in case you might actually enjoy it. Just giving my personal experience. Which is that even though I'm a very gameplay focussed gamer, I still enjoyed the story parts of W3, or at least some of them. From a gameplay-centric perspective I think Skyrim is by far the superior game, but while I hardly gave a shit about its stories, W3 tells some stories I genuinely cared about.
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Post by Samildanach on Mar 7, 2022 20:19:35 GMT
I'm nearly at the end of my first playthrough of the main game and for me it does everything else SO well that the serviceable combat is acceptable enough.
You honestly don't spend a large percentage of the game fighting, as mercifully exploring the world is not punctuated by endless fight after fight. The odd groups of wolves, bandits, drowners etc. can easily be ignored while you focus on all that is so good (main quests, sidequests, just seeing what might be over the next hill). Just don't focus on trying to head to every single '?' on the map since that is the filler content. '!' Icons = all worth doing '?' Icons = don't waste your time
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2022 20:40:40 GMT
UlythiumYou know what. We could talk about the combat all day but the simple truth is that it's a game that is not without faults, but it is fucking great. For me, The Witcher 3 pissed all over Skyrim from a massive height, and every other open world fantasy game right up until Elden Ring drunkenly staggered in, pulled it's pants down, and pissed all over The Witcher 3. There's piss everywhere. Play it.
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Post by steifybobbins on Mar 7, 2022 20:56:29 GMT
UlythiumYou know what. We could talk about the combat all day but the simple truth is that it's a game that is not without faults, but it is fucking great. For me, The Witcher 3 pissed all over Skyrim from a massive height, and every other open world fantasy game right up until Elden Ring drunkenly staggered in, pulled it's pants down, and pissed all over The Witcher 3. There's piss everywhere. Play it. I don't rate W3 at all. I was really disappointed. BOTW was/is infinitely better, sounds like I need to buy Elden Ring
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2022 21:01:08 GMT
Could never get into Zelda games. Thought of controlling a sprightly child in dress up never appealed to me tbh.
I joke.
Yes, you do need to buy Elden Ring. Everyone needs to.
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Post by Ulythium on Mar 7, 2022 21:06:01 GMT
See, this is why I love Font Geek - one can ask a question and receive a wide range of opinions in response, each one measured and thoughtful, all capped off by a whimsical golden shower analogy. The [yellow] icing on the cake, as it were.
Thanks for the input, everyone. I most likely will give The Witcher 3 a shot when the PS5 version comes out, as it's clearly a special game on a number of fronts (and besides, I'll never assuage my curiosity without trying it for myself).
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Post by Ulythium on Mar 7, 2022 21:07:30 GMT
I don't rate W3 at all. I was really disappointed. BOTW was/is infinitely better, sounds like I need to buy Elden Ring
As wunty said... yes, you do. It's phenomenal.
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Post by muddyfunster on Mar 7, 2022 22:51:35 GMT
Not the right forum I know but I'm hesitant on buying the Elden Ring due to a sense it'll be the inverse of the Witcher.
i.e. I know the combat will be great but that's not enough for me without a decent narrative and world I actually want to explore. I don't like boss fights much and hate retreading my steps. Even so I've played every souls game and completed three, and whilst they're fun and I like the atmosphere, they never totally absorbed me for hundreds of hours like Skyrim and the Witcher 3 did. Will probably try it at some point but not for £70.
Oh and I bought a switch (my first Nintendo console) just to play Botw after the rave reviews and thought it was pretty mediocre. Boring characters, poor story, too cutesy, not interesting.
Different strokes for different folks I guess.
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Post by aubergine on Mar 8, 2022 0:30:52 GMT
Witcher 3 goes on sale all the time. I’d just love it up sometime then download it once they do the next-gen patch. I did this with Cyberpunk.
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Post by aubergine on Mar 8, 2022 0:32:13 GMT
I must be some kind of simp cos I enjoyed the combat. I also like the combat.
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Post by spacein_vader on Mar 8, 2022 8:36:39 GMT
To add on opposite opinion, I love RPGs but hate combat. My ultimate preference is RPGs that let you use smarts to get around fighting. That said, in games like TW3 where you can't do that I turn the difficulty all the way down and just hope holding down the left mouse button will do the job.
Will that work in TW3? I hope so cos it sounds like the story is well worth my time and it +DLC have been in my backlog for ages.
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Post by EMarkM on Mar 8, 2022 9:45:15 GMT
To add on opposite opinion, I love RPGs but hate combat. My ultimate preference is RPGs that let you use smarts to get around fighting. Completely with you on that, Space!
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Post by dfunked on Mar 8, 2022 12:24:00 GMT
The combat is alright when you start figuring out the weaknesses of what you're about to fight and prepare using potions/fuck it up with signs. If you just wade in and start swinging your steel sword at monsters it's not so fun.
But yeah, it was primarily about the story and the world rather than the combat for me (also played on easy to get past the combat faster)
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Mar 8, 2022 13:18:24 GMT
To add on opposite opinion, I love RPGs but hate combat. My ultimate preference is RPGs that let you use smarts to get around fighting. That said, in games like TW3 where you can't do that I turn the difficulty all the way down and just hope holding down the left mouse button will do the job. Will that work in TW3? I hope so cos it sounds like the story is well worth my time and it +DLC have been in my backlog for ages. And I love creating builds that are utterly broken so much as to just godwalk any combat. I literally abused the potions and spent most of my playtime looking like some kind of poisoned newt. Quite how yennifer wanted a piece of this drug-addled ass I do not know.
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Post by 111 on Mar 8, 2022 14:38:58 GMT
The odd thing about story being its strength is that as others have said the main Ciri plotline is confusingly redundant most of the game.
I know it's a bit of an RPG trope that you end up doing loads of side-quests for random villagers when you're apparently meant to be saving the world but it seemed particularly jarring in this. The premise shouldn't be "save Ciri" it should be "live as Geralt for a bit - see what that's like!"
I also remember lots of the missions consisting of following trails in the Witcher-vision mode, so you have this visually incredible open world yet spend half the time staring at the ground through a fish-eye lens and wibbly orange lines (and the other half watching cut-scenes).
Still looking forward to replaying with spruced up visuals and fast load times though... But with a better sense of what to expect and how to get the most out of it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2022 14:41:49 GMT
I've left off both DLCs (because I was knackered after the mahoosive campaign), and now I know there's a PS5 version coming out, I'm probably going to jump back in and do them then .
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Post by spacein_vader on Mar 8, 2022 16:08:11 GMT
The combat is alright when you start figuring out the weaknesses of what you're about to fight and prepare using potions/fuck it up with signs. If you just wade in and start swinging your steel sword at monsters it's not so fun. But yeah, it was primarily about the story and the world rather than the combat for me (also played on easy to get past the combat faster) So if I plan ahead on potions and play on easy I should enjoy it then? How do I tell which plot lines are DLC and should I avoid them till after the main plot?
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Post by Sarfrin on Mar 8, 2022 19:45:26 GMT
The combat is alright when you start figuring out the weaknesses of what you're about to fight and prepare using potions/fuck it up with signs. If you just wade in and start swinging your steel sword at monsters it's not so fun. But yeah, it was primarily about the story and the world rather than the combat for me (also played on easy to get past the combat faster) So if I plan ahead on potions and play on easy I should enjoy it then? How do I tell which plot lines are DLC and should I avoid them till after the main plot? I'm not a great one for punishing combat either. You can hack your way through it on easy with the odd potion without too much trouble. IIRC, it will tell you when you're starting a DLC quest line.
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Post by Sarfrin on Mar 8, 2022 19:50:13 GMT
Not the right forum I know but I'm hesitant on buying the Elden Ring due to a sense it'll be the inverse of the Witcher. i.e. I know the combat will be great but that's not enough for me without a decent narrative and world I actually want to explore. I don't like boss fights much and hate retreading my steps. Even so I've played every souls game and completed three, and whilst they're fun and I like the atmosphere, they never totally absorbed me for hundreds of hours like Skyrim and the Witcher 3 did. Will probably try it at some point but not for £70. Oh and I bought a switch (my first Nintendo console) just to play Botw after the rave reviews and thought it was pretty mediocre. Boring characters, poor story, too cutesy, not interesting. Different strokes for different folks I guess. Very similar to me. Just couldn't sustain interest in BOTW. It especially annoyed me that everything you used to hit things would break after about 5 swings.
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Post by steifybobbins on Mar 8, 2022 22:17:16 GMT
Not the right forum I know but I'm hesitant on buying the Elden Ring due to a sense it'll be the inverse of the Witcher. i.e. I know the combat will be great but that's not enough for me without a decent narrative and world I actually want to explore. I don't like boss fights much and hate retreading my steps. Even so I've played every souls game and completed three, and whilst they're fun and I like the atmosphere, they never totally absorbed me for hundreds of hours like Skyrim and the Witcher 3 did. Will probably try it at some point but not for £70. Oh and I bought a switch (my first Nintendo console) just to play Botw after the rave reviews and thought it was pretty mediocre. Boring characters, poor story, too cutesy, not interesting. Different strokes for different folks I guess. Very similar to me. Just couldn't sustain interest in BOTW. It especially annoyed me that everything you used to hit things would break after about 5 swings. the reason I rate BOTW so highly is because it's the only true "open world" game. I lived in a rural area as a kid and BOTW Taps into that feeling of walking out of the door and just wandering while finding things of interest to do or see. Every other "open world" I've played presents you with a large space filled with boundaries that funnels you ever onwards towards the next icon. Its an illusion of freedom that isn't generated by your curiosity. Combat is simple but fun in BOTW and it can be tackled in a variety of ways. Even the big open spaces so many people hate are completely necessary imo to maintain the illusion that you are exploring a believable interesting space. Like walking in the woods in real life you don't always find something interesting but you might and often do, in BOTW that Might be a shrine, a new monster, treasure, a korok, a dragon or just a really interesting landmark or space. There's no checklists, no icons, no rush, just freedom. The beef with the weapons is a mystery to me. If the weapons didn't break I'd never use half of what's on offer. It adds variety to the combat I wanted to love the Witcher 3 but I didn't find it much more interesting than the ubisoft games for all the reasons above. I did like the tone and the setting though
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Post by muddyfunster on Mar 8, 2022 23:49:03 GMT
That was kind of the sales pitch that made me fork out £300 for Botw. In practice I rarely actually got that sense of being well rewarded for exploring.
I'm a sucker for stumbling upon an ancient ruin, or mysterious village, or foreboding temple. Delighted when finding a breadcrumb trail to something bigger. Skyrim does this aspect brilliantly where you only see markers when very close. Constantly got enjoyably sidetracked in that game.
In Botw I was frustrated that something that looked interesting and mysterious from afar often turned out to be just another kurok puzzle or another fairly superficial cartoon character with minimal backstory asking me to do something mundane. I played it for 60hrs and the only quest I remember is that one on an island, the rest totally forgettable. I didn't hate the game, the weapon thing didn't bother me at all, and I liked the climbing and gliding and physics puzzles. I just gradually realised that I was never going to find what I wanted in that world and then the motivation to keep exploring died.
Witcher 3 I can recall 10+ surprising, moving, or amusing quests and side stories despite playing it several years before. I felt I had to do every quest as the risk of missing something great was high given their quality. So many moments stick in the memory.
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Post by dfunked on Mar 9, 2022 7:57:15 GMT
The combat is alright when you start figuring out the weaknesses of what you're about to fight and prepare using potions/fuck it up with signs. If you just wade in and start swinging your steel sword at monsters it's not so fun. But yeah, it was primarily about the story and the world rather than the combat for me (also played on easy to get past the combat faster) So if I plan ahead on potions and play on easy I should enjoy it then? How do I tell which plot lines are DLC and should I avoid them till after the main plot? Yeah, I'd imagine so. You should definitely get a feel for it in the opening area at least which is self contained. If it's not clicking just ditch it. I think you get the Hearts of Stone quest auto added to your journal, so just skip that. Blood and Wine is just a case of avoiding any quest that mentions Toussaint.
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Post by steifybobbins on Mar 9, 2022 8:44:24 GMT
That was kind of the sales pitch that made me fork out £300 for Botw. In practice I rarely actually got that sense of being well rewarded for exploring. I'm a sucker for stumbling upon an ancient ruin, or mysterious village, or foreboding temple. Delighted when finding a breadcrumb trail to something bigger. Skyrim does this aspect brilliantly where you only see markers when very close. Constantly got enjoyably sidetracked in that game. In Botw I was frustrated that something that looked interesting and mysterious from afar often turned out to be just another kurok puzzle or another fairly superficial cartoon character with minimal backstory asking me to do something mundane. I played it for 60hrs and the only quest I remember is that one on an island, the rest totally forgettable. I didn't hate the game, the weapon thing didn't bother me at all, and I liked the climbing and gliding and physics puzzles. I just gradually realised that I was never going to find what I wanted in that world and then the motivation to keep exploring died. Witcher 3 I can recall 10+ surprising, moving, or amusing quests and side stories despite playing it several years before. I felt I had to do every quest as the risk of missing something great was high given their quality. So many moments stick in the memory. My whole point was, if you feel like spending time exploring for no reason other than because something tugged on your curiosity that's a true open world game. If the game is designed purely around the "reward" you stop just being there and begin chasing things down often for diminishing returns. Im sure some of the quests in the Witcher were excellent, perhaps I took on the wrong ones. I did the stuff with the demon baby and the Witches that was alright I guess. To be fair I've had this conversation a few times and posts like this one convince me to try again but my last save sees me stuck in a cave with a monster I can't kill.. ☺️
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2022 9:29:37 GMT
So if I plan ahead on potions and play on easy I should enjoy it then? How do I tell which plot lines are DLC and should I avoid them till after the main plot? Yeah, I'd imagine so. You should definitely get a feel for it in the opening area at least which is self contained. If it's not clicking just ditch it. I think you get the Hearts of Stone quest auto added to your journal, so just skip that. Blood and Wine is just a case of avoiding any quest that mentions Toussaint. They will show up as being far too high a level for you anyway, so it's even easier to avoid them.
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Post by monkman5000 on Mar 9, 2022 9:39:46 GMT
Not the right forum I know but I'm hesitant on buying the Elden Ring due to a sense it'll be the inverse of the Witcher. i.e. I know the combat will be great but that's not enough for me without a decent narrative and world I actually want to explore. I don't like boss fights much and hate retreading my steps. Even so I've played every souls game and completed three, and whilst they're fun and I like the atmosphere, they never totally absorbed me for hundreds of hours like Skyrim and the Witcher 3 did. Will probably try it at some point but not for £70. If you buy Elden Ring and decide you don't want to explore the world, I'll personally refund you. Also it's only £50.
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