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Post by Jambowayoh on Feb 2, 2022 20:59:38 GMT
I was hoping this thread stirring meant there was PS5 Patch news. Come back around June for that. |
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Post by Youthist on Feb 2, 2022 21:01:50 GMT
Is one on the cards? I will be all over it if so
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Post by Ulythium on Feb 2, 2022 21:02:28 GMT
Yup - sometime during Q2, allegedly.
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Post by aubergine on Feb 2, 2022 21:33:50 GMT
I’m holding off Witcher 3 and Cyberpunk replays for the upgrades. I read every one of his posts in Tim Curry's voice. That can be arranged! |
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Post by docrob on Feb 4, 2022 0:42:24 GMT
When the fuck does this game end? I'm at level 50 and I still need loads more ability points to fill up the mutations thingy I must have done 200 hours by now I am having similar feelings just now. I've done something like 130 hours and I haven't finished the main game yet.
You get to the point that seems to be the end (the Battle of Kaer Morhen) where all your mates from the game come to help you out, which is awesome. But that finishes, and the game just... keeps... going. I'm something like 6 hours on from that point now (rough estimate) and there's still no end in sight. I think I should be close now, but I've thought that several times already and it just keeps throwing more missions at me, with huge amounts of XP (I was L28 at the Battle and now I'm 34).
I want to play through the DLC, especially Blood and Wine to bring the story to a close, but at this rate I'm going to have to take a break when I finally finish the main game.
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Post by aubergine on Feb 4, 2022 1:59:13 GMT
God, I bounced off it a dozen times before finishing it I think. Would always get so confused about what it was about / why I was doing anything once you go from Velen to that big city.
I still don’t think I ever felt properly motivated by the main plot. “I have to find Ciri!” Why?
I also think moving to PS4 Pro and the various performance patches helped me finally do a full run. The DLC was good too, but ran out of steam during Blood and Wine. But I’ve replayed the first 20-30 hours of this game a dozen times I’m sure. Fast loading and more shiny on PS5 will make a huge difference I think.
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Post by docrob on Feb 4, 2022 11:08:08 GMT
God, I bounced off it a dozen times before finishing it I think. Would always get so confused about what it was about / why I was doing anything once you go from Velen to that big city. I still don’t think I ever felt properly motivated by the main plot. “I have to find Ciri!” Why? I also think moving to PS4 Pro and the various performance patches helped me finally do a full run. The DLC was good too, but ran out of steam during Blood and Wine. But I’ve replayed the first 20-30 hours of this game a dozen times I’m sure. Fast loading and more shiny on PS5 will make a huge difference I think. Yeah, the idea of why you are doing any of it is explained very poorly indeed. The problem I have with the Witcher is that I have read 4 or 5 of the books, played a few hours of the first game and most of the third, and now watched the series. The lore is now very confused in my head. The games take place after the books (I think!) but there’s clearly a lot of stuff I am missing, and I’m not sure whether it happened in the later books or the earlier games. |
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Post by aubergine on Feb 5, 2022 6:30:07 GMT
I think they could have done more to establish Geralt’s relationship with Ciri over the course of the game, eg, more flashback dreams of their time together, that could also have served to build out the lore with her macguffin status and the wild hunt, etc. as it stands, I don’t really remember anything about The Wild Hunt and what they were even trying to achieve. End the multiverse or some shit, for some reason. I never felt any sense of urgency or understanding about any of that.
All the (vast amount) of side content in the game was fantastic, but the overall arc of the main plot was poorly handled I think, despite stellar moments and chapters (eg Bloody Baron, the kindly ones, the relationships with the various women and the emperor dude.
I have the first book but haven’t read it, so not I guess distracted by what the lore is MEANT to be, outside the game.
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Post by docrob on Mar 5, 2022 18:55:13 GMT
A month on, I have finished the main game (and all the non-Gwent side quests), the Hearts of Stone expansion (very good) and now I’m playing through Blood and Wine.
It’s a bit good, isn’t it? I’ve only done a few quests so far, but I’ve already had some story moments as compelling as any in the main game.
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Post by Sarfrin on Mar 5, 2022 19:49:52 GMT
It's my favourite part. Don't ignore the side quest involving a book.
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Post by docrob on Mar 6, 2022 4:15:49 GMT
It's my favourite part. Don't ignore the side quest involving a book. I don’t think I’ve seen that one yet. I’ve just done the one that involves a tournament, and it’s so complex and deep that I couldn’t believe it wasn’t part of the main storyline. |
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Post by cubby on Mar 6, 2022 9:46:32 GMT
I've looked up that side quest and I'm drawing a complete blank on it, is it possible to miss this? As far as I know I've completed every quest.
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Post by muddyfunster on Mar 6, 2022 11:14:48 GMT
Blood and Wine is the sort of expansion I wish CDPR were focusing on for Cyberpunk. It might be best value dlc I've ever played. Just superb on every level.
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Post by aubergine on Mar 6, 2022 13:50:14 GMT
Maybe they are.
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Post by Ulythium on Mar 6, 2022 14:11:45 GMT
Yeah - if there's one thing that'd truly reverse the initial reception to Cyberpunk and rehabilitate CDPR's image into the bargain, it'd be a couple of DLC expansions of similar scope and quality to Hearts of Stone/Blood and Wine.
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Post by Sarfrin on Mar 6, 2022 14:31:11 GMT
I've looked up that side quest and I'm drawing a complete blank on it, is it possible to miss this? As far as I know I've completed every quest. Apparently access to it depends on a choice you make. If you went to see the Unseen Elder you won't have got it. |
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Post by cubby on Mar 6, 2022 14:42:04 GMT
Ah, that'll be why.
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Post by dfunked on Mar 6, 2022 21:31:23 GMT
SMH... Can't believe he went to the unseen elder.
None of this rings a bell and I've played the bloody thing! I'll have to run through it again whenever they eventually release the new shiny version.
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Post by EMarkM on Mar 7, 2022 8:25:17 GMT
I’ve tried this game twice now. Once on my gaming PC which broke down on me for unrelated reasons at around the Baron quest, and once on PS4, not quite getting as far.
My brother in law claimed the game to be the best ever, and genuinely “life changing”.
I’ve tried, oh, I’ve tried. It just doesn’t seem as good as everyone thinks it is.
It doesn’t help that I don’t like RPGs where you don’t design your own character.
Hmmm. I’m not going to try again, am I?
Just hurry up, Elder Scrolls!
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Post by muddyfunster on Mar 7, 2022 9:53:31 GMT
I’ve tried this game twice now. Once on my gaming PC which broke down on me for unrelated reasons at around the Baron quest, and once on PS4, not quite getting as far. My brother in law claimed the game to be the best ever, and genuinely “life changing”. I’ve tried, oh, I’ve tried. It just doesn’t seem as good as everyone thinks it is. It doesn’t help that I don’t like RPGs where you don’t design your own character. Hmmm. I’m not going to try again, am I? Just hurry up, Elder Scrolls! It's not life changing no. I'd imagine it's also lost some of the technical wonder that it had back at release as well. Back then I couldn't believe the size of the world and the main city, even if the framerate tanked occasionally and it was a bit unstable. The writing is excellent, voice acting superb and the weight of player decisions in deciding the outcome of quests has rarely be done as well. The side quests are the best in gaming. The combat is merely competent, but it's flexible enough to find a style that suits you. I abandoned Witcher 2 because I got a bit bored of the formula around half way through, but with Witcher 3, I after the first 5hrs I was gripped and kept playing to 100hrs. The narrative arc is also really satisfying, with a finale and epilogue that feels appropriate for the epic nature of the main quest. After completion, I did find that I needed a few months break before moving onto the DLC. Hearts of Stone is a great isolated story, but Blood and Wine really feels like a loving send off for the Witcher series from CDPR. Jim Trinca described it as Geralt's 'year in Provence' which is perfect. It's got a slightly less serious, occasionally sentimental, almost nostalgic tone and it was better for it. Though if you don't like Geralt, you needn't bother, it's very much his life you lead. |
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Post by Rich on Mar 7, 2022 10:20:54 GMT
Really need to go back and do the DLC for this.
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Post by EMarkM on Mar 7, 2022 10:50:17 GMT
muddyfunster Thanks for those thoughts; I really appreciate them. I think you’ve hit the nail on the head for me really: I don’t like Geralt and I don’t care about him. Onward!
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Post by muddyfunster on Mar 7, 2022 10:53:45 GMT
I quite fancy trying the NG+ mode on PS5 if/when they release an upgrade, and if PS4 saves carry over. No chance I'd make it through the whole game again but would like to see how much I remember and experience it at 4k60 rather than 1080p30.
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Post by Ulythium on Mar 7, 2022 13:31:30 GMT
The writing is excellent, voice acting superb and the weight of player decisions in deciding the outcome of quests has rarely be done as well. The side quests are the best in gaming. The combat is merely competent, but it's flexible enough to find a style that suits you.
As someone who has never played this game, and is looking forward to the current-gen update with a view to giving it a go at last, I've been curious about this issue for quite a while: what's wrong with the combat in The Witcher 3?
I'm not questioning the validity of your comment - in fact, I've seen the same thing said by umpteen people over the past few years! - but I don't think I've ever seen someone discuss its shortcomings in any detail.
If you've played Ghost of Tsushima, for instance, how does TW3's combat stack up thereto?
I mention Ghost specifically because it's the best non-Soulsborne melee combat I've yet experienced; by contrast, I found the same mechanics in the Middle-earth games to be underwhelming, to say the least. Kind of a deal-breaker when you spend so much time fighting in these games!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2022 13:36:07 GMT
The combat is pish. You just roll around the whole time and there's no weight or heft to it. It's just rolling around tickling things until they fall over.
That said, I absolutely adored W3 and some of the quests are superb. It sags at some point and I did start to lose interest towards the end, but I loved exploring it's world and learning about all the monsters etc.
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Post by Ulythium on Mar 7, 2022 14:31:37 GMT
Thanks for the input, wunty - much appreciated.
That's... disappointing, to say the least. I'm sure I'd enjoy exploring the world and watching the story unfold, but as combat is such a key component of the game, I don't know whether the rest of it would be enough to hold my interest.
Although Skyrim's melee combat was crap, at least you could go down the stealth archer route and make a ranged build; unless I'm very much mistaken, I don't think you can make Geralt into a ranged character in TW3.
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Post by muddyfunster on Mar 7, 2022 14:49:48 GMT
UlythiumIt just felt slightly archaic even at release seeing as Demon's souls and Batman existed. In fairness it's not trying to be those. By comparison it feels a bit slow and less immediate. You press a button (or sequence of buttons) and wait for Geralt to do his animation, then roll and repeat a fair amount of the time. It's not very fluid transitioning between the animations and some are a bit long. A lot of the 'skill' required against the harder enemies comes from prepping correctly for a fight, which involves using the right sword, taking the right mutagens, and crafting the right grenades to exploit the weaknesses (i.e. like an RPG). The magic is fun at times (it's a lot like star wars) and the one that turns humans against each other is fun for causing chaos. In some ways it's worth playing a harder difficulty to force you to vary the approach and prepare. On standard difficulty, you can mostly hack and roll to the end game. As I said, the combat is serviceable but not a reason to play the game in and of itself.
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Post by Ulythium on Mar 7, 2022 15:17:34 GMT
Thanks for taking the time to reply! Very good of you.
I'm feeling a bit of open-world fatigue at the moment, so I was already second-guessing my intention to buy The Witcher 3. Had it come out late last year as planned, I would've jumped in right away; however, when it was delayed into 2022 I picked up Ghost of Tsushima in its stead, and I'm currently playing Elden Ring and Horizon Forbidden West. I'm not sure another game of the same ilk is really what I want to buy next in any event...
... And bad-to-mediocre combat could be the final nail in the coffin. Ghost, Elden Ring, and Horizon all have great combat, for my money - even though melee in Horizon is basically dogshit! - and it sounds as though TW3 would be a real step down in that regard, especially as I'd want to play as a pure swordsman if I did give it a shot.
Hmm. Food for thought, anyway - I'd download a demo of TW3 if there was one, but I don't think there is (and there's no reason to think they'll release one for the updated edition, insofar as I'm aware).
Thanks again!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2022 15:17:57 GMT
Thanks for the input, wunty - much appreciated. That's... disappointing, to say the least. I'm sure I'd enjoy exploring the world and watching the story unfold, but as combat is such a key component of the game, I don't know whether the rest of it would be enough to hold my interest. Although Skyrim's melee combat was crap, at least you could go down the stealth archer route and make a ranged build; unless I'm very much mistaken, I don't think you can make Geralt into a ranged character in TW3. Maybe pish is too strong. I don't want to put you off, and you do get used to it, but it's not the games strong point. There's so much that's good about it - nay excellent - and it's worth playing. |
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Post by Ulythium on Mar 7, 2022 16:57:44 GMT
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Fair enough, and thanks for the clarification.
I guess I'll have a decision to make as/when/if CDPR releases the updated version!
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