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Post by X201 on Jun 23, 2024 19:08:09 GMT
Liked the stuff surrounding it, but the actual resolution was pants
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Post by Garfy on Jun 25, 2024 9:29:00 GMT
If the christmas special has "Somehow The Master returned" then I'm out.
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Post by gamingdave on Jun 25, 2024 9:57:00 GMT
Watched the final episode last night. What a disappointing season. I don't mind the odd ex machina, but the whole season was just nonsensical, with no real sense of peril, no character depth, and no growth.
The new Doctor was great, but the writing was just so bad across the board.
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Post by Whizzo on Jun 25, 2024 13:59:42 GMT
RTD's reasoning about the importance or not of Ruby's mum as some sort of response to the origins of Rey in Star Wars is such complete and utter bollocks I've no idea why he thought he could inflict it on us.
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Post by robthehermit on Jun 25, 2024 14:18:40 GMT
I'd give Ruby's mum a jolly good dissapointing given half a chance.
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Post by Blue_Mike on Jun 25, 2024 16:06:30 GMT
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Post by neilch on Jun 25, 2024 16:20:24 GMT
Hmmm, that sounds weird. Maybe don’t write scripts and plot lines that then rely on something you don’t like? Also a bit odd given the reduction of episodes and Disney cash that this happened. |
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jun 26, 2024 5:38:37 GMT
I've still only watched the first episode (which was ok, if very silly).
RTD Doctor Who always a little relied on Deus-Ex Machina endings where the Doctor suddenly made a speech and fixed everything using some technobabble. But I didn't care because it was great fun and still managed some really good stories and characters.
Later showrunners made stuff that was ok, but lacking a lot of the charm and fun.
It sounds like this season might have gone overboard in going back to the silly/fun ex machina stuff.
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Post by X201 on Jun 26, 2024 6:16:25 GMT
The actual episodes in the series are fine. It’s just the finale that lets things down
I’m really questioning why we need a big set piece finale.
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Post by robthehermit on Jun 26, 2024 8:43:46 GMT
Because our new Disney overlords.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jun 26, 2024 8:46:25 GMT
The funny thing is that by the point it happened it wasn't even that jarring. It was just another in a long line of things being pulled out of their arses. |
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Post by gamingdave on Jun 26, 2024 8:48:04 GMT
... RTD Doctor Who always a little relied on Deus-Ex Machina endings where the Doctor suddenly made a speech and fixed everything using some technobabble. But I didn't care because it was great fun and still managed some really good stories and characters. |
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Post by Vandelay on Jul 28, 2024 14:19:00 GMT
Just finished the season and I thought it was all quite enjoyable. I wouldn't have said there was any episode that really stood out as exceptional, but there weren't any that I didn't at least like. The bubble episode was probably the weakest, but still had fun moments (excluding the incredibly forced, out of nowhere, ending). The opening episode wasn't great either.
The big finales have never been a strong point for the series and this one wasn't an exception. I did really like the build up though, with the end of the penultimate episode building the tension nicely. Plus, the reunion for Ruby was handled well and I'm all for the "nobody" approach. I can see people hating the inconsistencies with the sci-fi in the episode, but if that was a major concern than I would have thought you would have given up on Doctor Who long ago.
73 Yards had classic written all over it and the first 20 minutes or so were fantastic. It didn't continue though, with the aging Ruby sections being mostly fine, but tonally very different to the opening sections (the scene with UNIT was great though) and then the ending left itself far too ambiguous (and I like ambiguity). Rogue or Maestro was probably my favourite episode.
Thought Ncuti Gatwa was ok as the Doctor. Not fantastic, but very watchable. Thought Millie Gibson was excellent as Ruby though. Hope she will continue as the companion in the next season.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jul 28, 2024 15:17:45 GMT
Which would people rate higher, this season or the Jodi Whittaker ones?
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Post by Goban on Jul 28, 2024 18:54:41 GMT
This is better, it doesn't suffer from the overload of companions. Gives everyone a bit of a chance to develop and breathe.
It is VERY RTD, which doesn't work so well as TV has moved on since he was last at the helm.
Time for new writers, bigger budgets don't cover up for the paucity of ideas.
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Post by Vandelay on Jul 28, 2024 19:29:09 GMT
I thought it was a lot better than the Chibnall era (and I refer to it as Chibnall, as I don't put blame on Whitaker, who I thought was great in the role). I don't think there was ever an episode that I was bored during, which I couldn't say for pretty much every episode when Chibnall was show runner.
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Post by Rich on Jul 28, 2024 19:35:21 GMT
I thought Chibnall's first season was pretty good, and Whitaker was a great Doctor. But the Flux and everything afterwards was awful.
Ncuti Gatwa is also a great Doctor but I really struggle with RTD Who. It's too much, all the time.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jul 29, 2024 2:22:04 GMT
I ask because I watched the first handful of Whittaker ones, and got kinda bored and drifted away. (I thought she was good, but the stories weren't that exciting most of the time). Then I watched the first couple of the Ncuti ones, and drifted away. Again, he and the sidekick seemed good, but the stories seemed overly silly. (Only based on 2-3 eps though). We've been (re-)watching the early NuWho/RTD ones with Billy Piper, and they're just a much better balance of humour and excitement. I was happy RTD was coming back, but the first few eps seemed more like a parody of RTD than RTD himself. Trying it decide which of the Whittaker/Ncuti ones to go back to. Sounds like the newest ones are the best bet. (Side note: It's such a shame that the Whittaker ones were just kinda dull, as having a female doctor got my daughter all excited about Who.. and then it didn't stick the landing). [edit] It occurs to me now that maybe what I should do is find a decent skip list and just watch the best / most important episodes from each set. For example, something called Men's Journal can't be wrong. www.mensjournal.com/streaming/doctor-who-best-jodie-whittaker-episodes#gid=ci02cc29e0f0002657&pid=the-woman-who-fell-to-earth |
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Post by simple on Jul 30, 2024 22:37:37 GMT
I enjoyed Whittaker more than Smith and Capaldi.
I haven’t had a chance to properly watch the latest series yet but what I’ve seen looks good if a lot more fantastical than we’ve had on BBC budgets
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Post by robthehermit on Sept 3, 2024 12:11:59 GMT
Watching classic Who at the moment, just finished Pyramids of Mars. One of our daughters happened to be subjected to an an episode or two while they were here and were shocked.
Firstly, she couldn't believe how shoddy and low budget the whole thing was.
But more importantly, when in the half dozen episodes she saw they covered racism, anti colonialism, women's equality, fossil fuels and class, she wondered why people were upset about it going woke when it always has been. The only thing I could come up with is that as kids we wouldn't necessarily have been as aware of it, but mainly because it was a small, constant stream of ideas and concepts to sow seeds and educate rather than the sledgehammer monologue to camera approach recent Who has occasionally suffered from.
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Post by Warrender on Sept 3, 2024 19:21:57 GMT
IMO, if the Internet was around back then, people would be complaining as well. Because the Internet creates echo chambers for everyone's bad opinions.
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Post by simple on Sept 3, 2024 19:27:38 GMT
People whinged that Whittaker did a couple of historical episodes. Like Hartnell wasn’t out there meeting Marco Polo, Aztecs and Vikings from the very beginning.
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Post by One_Vurfed_Gwrx on Sept 4, 2024 21:22:05 GMT
People whinged that Whittaker did a couple of historical episodes. Like Hartnell wasn’t out there meeting Marco Polo, Aztecs and Vikings from the very beginning. It was a shame that with the historicals they had to shoehorn aliens or time criminals in rather than the Hartnell style 'pure' historicals but Demons of the Puniab was one of my favourite Whittaker episodes. It was nice to see an event rarely talked about here that Britain had been so complicit in covered too. And yeah, even the McCoy era at the end had lots of social commentary. |
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Post by simple on Sept 24, 2024 9:31:17 GMT
Only just starting the last new series now
Space Babies is pretty wild. Who had xenomorphs vs babies on their bingo card?
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Sept 24, 2024 10:02:27 GMT
I was watching 'We Are Not Alone' on Dave the other day and it really reminded me of RTD era Dr Who (except it is intentionally funny).
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Post by simple on Sept 24, 2024 10:09:36 GMT
It is hard to tell when these Dr Whos are being knowing and when they’re just overly sincere and up themselves.
I gave up on my mega binge during the Second Doctor as the animated episodes and largely incomplete serials were getting to be a drag. Might just leap forward after these new ones and go straight to Pertwee. McCoy was my Doctor growing up but Pertwee holds a very special place for me as being the reruns I most fondly remember watching.
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Post by robthehermit on Sept 24, 2024 11:04:14 GMT
It is hard to tell when these Dr Whos are being knowing and when they’re just overly sincere and up themselves. I gave up on my mega binge during the Second Doctor as the animated episodes and largely incomplete serials were getting to be a drag. Might just leap forward after these new ones and go straight to Pertwee. McCoy was my Doctor growing up but Pertwee holds a very special place for me as being the reruns I most fondly remember watching. We watched the first couple of Hartnell stories, and then jumped straight to Pertwee. We currently watch a couple of episodes a day while eating dinner and on Sunday mornings we party like it's 1995 on UK Gold and watch a complete story. Halfway through "The Horror at Fang Rock" at the moment. |
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Post by simple on Sept 24, 2024 12:53:42 GMT
I thought that 73 Yards episode was excellent. The ending didn’t make the most sense but it was a lovely little bottle episode with a creepy edge to it Like RTD put a folk-horror twist on Years & Years to deus ex machina his way out of how depressing that got |
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Post by One_Vurfed_Gwrx on Sept 24, 2024 13:00:19 GMT
It is hard to tell when these Dr Whos are being knowing and when they’re just overly sincere and up themselves. I gave up on my mega binge during the Second Doctor as the animated episodes and largely incomplete serials were getting to be a drag. Might just leap forward after these new ones and go straight to Pertwee. McCoy was my Doctor growing up but Pertwee holds a very special place for me as being the reruns I most fondly remember watching. We watched the first couple of Hartnell stories, and then jumped straight to Pertwee. We currently watch a couple of episodes a day while eating dinner and on Sunday mornings we party like it's 1995 on UK Gold and watch a complete story. Halfway through "The Horror at Fang Rock" at the moment. A few years back we (my son, probably about 15 at the time, and myself) did a full marathon including all animated and reconstructions for missing episodes (a few of the reconstructions were more challenging than others, we generally watched Loose Cannon recons). At the end of it my son's favourite Doctor was Hartnell. My first remembered doctor was Davison, but when I eventually saw some Tom Baker late eps I remembered that I had seen some of them before. |
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Post by simple on Sept 24, 2024 14:03:22 GMT
Well that Aldi Black Mirror one sure takes a turn. Gatwa acts the shit out of that final scene too. Up there with some of Tennant’s heartbroken/defiant expressions.
I know I’m housebound recovering from a nasty bout of food poisoning hitting me at both ends yesterday so bingeing tv was always on the cards, but this is an extremely watchable series.
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