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Post by simple on Sept 24, 2021 14:26:01 GMT
Russell T Davies is returning as the new showrunner.
This is good news to me.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Sept 24, 2021 14:35:25 GMT
Me too. But there will be a lot of wailing from the fans who didn't like him.
It's a shame he's returning *after* Jodie leaves though. I'd like to see what he could have done with her.
Say what you want about his tenure, but at least back then Dr Who had a bit more energy and a sense of humor.
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Post by X201 on Sept 24, 2021 14:56:27 GMT
If there was a nerd implosion when they had a female Doctor, just imagine what it will be like when he insists on a gay Doctor.
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Post by simple on Sept 24, 2021 14:56:58 GMT
Davies & Whittaker would be a great combination.
I know all fandoms hate everything about their favourite franchises but the Doctor Who lot really seem to channel a lot of vitriol against anything that happens around the show.
Luckily the show itself is always broadly fine - great.
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Post by robthehermit on Sept 24, 2021 15:08:47 GMT
If there was a nerd implosion when they had a female Doctor, just imagine what it will be like when he insists on a gay Doctor. He's already takes it up the bum. It was mentioned ages ago around the time of Jack, and in a rare moment of restraint from Davies it wasn't really mentioned again. But yes, I suppose that is one of the next logical evolutions for the character. It could be good, but it won't, Davies can't write a gay character that everyone knows is gay and just gets on with things, no, in Russell T Davies land you have to be actively gay. If you're not talking about sucking cock then you'd better actually be sucking cock or how will people know? It all gets a bit tiresome after awhile. |
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Post by britesparc on Sept 24, 2021 15:20:11 GMT
RTD is a terrific writer, he was great on Who, and as a close personal friend of mine* I can attest that he's a lovely, lovely man and I am excited to have him back on the show.
*Was briefly introduced to him in the lobby of Granada Studios once
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Sept 24, 2021 15:26:59 GMT
I think the RTD era is, largely, shite and contains most of the worst episodes. An absolutely regressive step (for this kids program)
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Post by robthehermit on Sept 24, 2021 15:30:25 GMT
It's not a kids programme it's a programme for late middle aged men that children happen to sometimes watch. Honest guvnor.
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Post by crispyxuk on Sept 24, 2021 17:38:41 GMT
All I remember was everyone was gay when he was in charge.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Sept 25, 2021 12:53:46 GMT
Since my kids are about at the age where they could enjoy it, if it was still fun, it'll be nice to get the fun back. My daughter wants to try Dr Who now it has a female Doctor, but I feel like she'll bounce off the recent seasons due to the style. I think she'd enjoy the Tennant years a lot more, except that she might bounce off those seasons due to the main protagonist being a guy.
All I remember was everyone was gay when he was in charge. Except the Doctor, Rose, Martha, Mickey, Donna, etc...
There was Captain Jack and the Silurian and her ninja-maid. Who were all ace characters. Other than that? Maybe a few bit characters here and there, but not really at a higher rate than I encounter real live gay people in real life.
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Post by simple on Sept 25, 2021 14:04:55 GMT
Tennant is the best modern Doctor by a long way but I donāt think Whittakerās stories were all that different or bad compared to what went before.
Largely abandoning the convoluted series arcs of the Smith and Capaldi eras was a plus for me. Turn up, adventure, leave. Perfect teatime family telly.
Although Iāll admit I am generally of the opinion that all the āfansā crying ābut the writingā under official social media posts about Whittaker are really covering for the real reason they havenāt liked the last couple of series.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Sept 26, 2021 10:03:54 GMT
Maybe. I have no problem at all with Whittaker, infact I think she could be really good.
But unfortunately her reign coincided with a change in tone that wasn't for me.
I get why they tried to take things down a notch, to cut budgets and make the Doctor less of an all-conquering hero.
But the unfortunate side effect was that (a) things became darker and more downbeat, and (b) the first female doctor was also the one filled with self-doubt and lacking in confidence.
Plus it just wasn't as zippy or funny as the Tennant era, but didn't quite have the more epic moments of the later eras either.
Though a few episodes were fun, like the Tesla one and the one at the Eiffel tower.
Too many companions also took a lot of the focus off the Doctor.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2021 10:28:54 GMT
Although Iāll admit I am generally of the opinion that all the āfansā crying ābut the writingā under official social media posts about Whittaker are really covering for the real reason they havenāt liked the last couple of series. some cases its not true, infact militant ST discovery fans (STDs) use the same line/attack when anyone says anything about the savior space jesus burnham I can take or leave Dr who, it had some good episodes during RTD and moffat era (although I don't think moffat was too bothered by the end but the show was better and less about the dr hanging about on london council estate) |
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Post by nazo on Sept 26, 2021 15:59:22 GMT
I think Whittaker has been a fairly average Doctor overall but as ever it's hard to know how much is her and how much is the scripts, some of which have been absolutely dire. I like what they did with the extra doctor and the not who she thinks she is stuff though so I hope that will be resolved satisfactorily.
I quite like the longer form stuff from previous seasons but some of the arcs were way too convoluted and not nearly as clever as they thought they were.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Sept 27, 2021 13:32:25 GMT
I didn't mind the longer form stuff, though it depended on the execution.
They seemed to get into a competition with the fandom to try and outwit them... not realizing that's kinda impossible against the internet hivemind.
The bad wolf stuff was kinda fun, but after that it started to get a bit silly at times. If you successfully write a show that's clever enough to fool all the hardcore internet fans en-mass, then it's going to confuse the hell out of regular viewers or kids.
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Post by simple on Sept 27, 2021 13:49:42 GMT
You mean they Sherlocked it?
If so I agree
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Post by boo on Oct 11, 2021 10:15:31 GMT
I haven't watched Doctor Who since the days of Tom Baker, but I know that I'm heartily sick of those 'interrupted broadcast' trailers that the BBC keep putting out at the moment.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Oct 31, 2021 13:05:17 GMT
Is this back tonight?
If so, I'd appreciate any comments on whether it is
(a) fun again
(b) scary
(c) suitable for kids
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Post by simple on Oct 31, 2021 13:46:17 GMT
The trailer looks like all of those things but then Iāve enjoyed Whittakers run in general
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Post by robthehermit on Nov 1, 2021 9:34:58 GMT
Well I thought that was alright.
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Post by dam on Nov 1, 2021 10:54:27 GMT
I find it all a bit too gung ho these days. They seem to save the universe every episode, with huge special effects.
I miss the days of Tom Baker doddering about eating jelly babies.
My kids aren't impressed with my idea of a telepathic Labrador for the next Dr.
I could just be old.
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Post by slartibartfast on Nov 1, 2021 11:55:17 GMT
Yeah it's all gone a bit Marvel movie. Production values seem higher but it's all at a breakneck speed with little time for scene building which removes any sense of tension or actual threat.
Why have one spaceship when you can have 7 MILLION!!
John Bishop seems kind of wooden, but it's the first episode so we'll see. I miss Bradley Walsh, he was great in the previous series.
I'm not the target demographic and my son seemed to enjoy it.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Nov 1, 2021 13:12:36 GMT
I think it may be time to introduce the kids to Dr Who then...
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Nov 1, 2021 14:36:04 GMT
I suppose its the problem with getting six episodes every 18 months or whatever. No room to sweat the small stuff anymore.
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Post by One_Vurfed_Gwrx on Nov 1, 2021 14:41:29 GMT
I suppose its the problem with getting six episodes every 18 months or whatever. No room to sweat the small stuff anymore. Yup, it is a far cry from Hartnell and Troughton's 40+ EPs per season (on an admittedly much smaller budget). Even without COVID their planning does seem pretty bad though, you would have thought that a consistent 13 episodes per year would be more than manageable (with some exceptions such as COVID) |
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Post by simple on Nov 1, 2021 15:40:39 GMT
One of the things I liked about the Whittaker-era was that it managed to be mostly single episodes up until the last season finale and this Flux arc.
Smith felt like the worst for convoluted series spanning WE MUST SAVE ALL OF TIME AND REALITY JUST LIKE LAST YEAR stuff
Tennantās time got the balance about right I think.
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Post by One_Vurfed_Gwrx on Nov 1, 2021 16:25:01 GMT
Yeah, as much as I like arcs in some shows they went OTT with them in the Smith era.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Nov 2, 2021 4:02:21 GMT
Yeah. Tennant's one was best for that.
I hadn't realized the last season for Whittaker was only going to be 6 episodes. The Tennant finale standalones were great, so I hope this manages something like that.
I kinda like that they keep mixing up the formula, with some seasons being standalone and some being more of an arc, but the smith era did end up biting off more than it could chew with a lot of that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2021 8:32:38 GMT
I thought Sundays episode was cracking. I've not really enjoyed DW much since Tennant left but if the other 5 episodes are as good as this I reckon I'll be quite happy.
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Post by britesparc on Nov 2, 2021 10:30:56 GMT
I've been pretty squiffy on the Chibnall era, although for the most part can't quite put my finger on why. However, I did enjoy Sunday's episode. It was a good first ep in that it set up an awful lot of stuff, but it generally did it in quite good ways, keeping us interested, and keeping the Doctor on the move. I'm not 100% convinced they can stick the landing but I'm in for the ride.
I thought Bishop was quite good when talking about Liverpool in his opening scene (felt very RTD that bit), but I hope he's not going to be required to do any real emotional lifting as he seemed a bit flat. On the basis of this one episode he's no Graham, sadly.
Anyway, I'm sticking to the positives for now, and I'm intrigued as to where this is going, and I absolutely loved Waffle the Wonder Dog.
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