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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2021 10:57:16 GMT
The dog man was brilliant. He could have looked and just generally been awful but he was played brilliantly, with some excellent dialogue as well. I loved the back and forth between him and John Bishop's character.
Though Yaz was excellent as well and I was reminded that out of the three companions, she was always the most believable. As much as I love Bradley Walsh, neither him or the other one (the name has just escaped me) could convey any emotion whatsoever and it really suffered from having three companions. It was too many. I could actually do without John as well tbh as Yaz was superb when it was just her and the doc, but he has been quite amusing so far so I'm not going to judge him too much yet.
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Post by britesparc on Nov 2, 2021 12:01:02 GMT
Yeah, I think from very early on it was clear that three companions in the TARDIS didn't work, and that Yaz was the strongest. I actually liked Graham as he brought some humour and pathos to the show, but don't really mind his absence, and I'm a bit annoyed that we can't just get some straight Doctor-and-Yaz episodes, we have to bring in another old(er) bloke. But modern Who has done okay with two companions - Amy and Rory, or times in the early days when Mickey or Jack was also in the TARDIS - but in most of those cases one was the "main" companion and the other one was more supporting so... who knows? (no pun intended)
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Post by Goban on Nov 2, 2021 12:36:53 GMT
The 3 companion set up was always the biggest problem, it wasn't well enough written to cope with that many characters.
This certainly started off well, a few issues but nothing to get het up about.
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Post by simple on Nov 2, 2021 15:03:27 GMT
It does feel a bit like Bishop is only there because they couldn’t convince Walsh to stay so instead of changing the shows direction they just dug up another middle aged comic to read his lines
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Post by Bill in the rain on Nov 3, 2021 2:29:06 GMT
Not watched it yet, but it does seem a bit weird to introduce a new companion who may be there only for 6 episodes.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Nov 9, 2021 13:46:26 GMT
I have now watched it, with the kids who did ok but had to cover their eyes at a few points.
I enjoyed it a lot. It was pretty non-stop, and it was a lot of setup that they need to deliver on, but it was also a lot more energetic and fun than the last few seasons were.
Not watched episode 2 yet though, so I don't know if they're managing to keep things going well.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2021 14:08:21 GMT
Ep 2 was a bit of a let down after a really promising ep1. Best part of it was right at the start though with this brilliant vision of a surreal floating house.
After that sadly it was all stupid potato headed Sontarans and John Bishop running around Liverpool Docks with a wok. All the worst DW elements for me in one episode: Crap baddies, shoehorning in a real-life historical character, contemporary settings (Liverpool is obviously the new Cardiff) with very eye-roll-worthy "action".
Swarm and his wife continuing to be all mysterious and there's some good stuff teased so I'm hoping the quality will rise again.
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Post by britesparc on Nov 10, 2021 12:50:30 GMT
I think if it had been an episode during the Tennant or Smith years I'd have been disappointed, but after so much sub-par Whoing around, the fact that it had the structure and form of a normal bog-standard episode was delightful. Whittaker was allowed to be clever and funny, had a brief bit of indignant rage, the wok stuff was actually fun, Waffle the Wonder Dog continues to be amazing, and the baddie (Swarm) is pretty good.
Yes, it's boilerplate stuff, yes we've seen basically every single beat of this done better before, yes the Sontaran plan didn't make any sense and they really are shit soldiers, and yes I'm utterly convinced whatever the solution is to this mystery it's gonna wind up disappointing. But at the moment it actually feels like solid Doctor Who, and I think we've mostly been missing that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2021 12:55:26 GMT
I do like Karvanista, he's one of the best Who characters there has been in ages. I basically want him as the new sidekick.
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Post by aubergine on Nov 10, 2021 12:59:22 GMT
I was intensely bored by the second episode, I don’t think I made it ten minutes in before turning it off. I’ve seen every episode since the reboot (in 2005?) but I’m thinking I’ll let it go until the new team comes in. I’ve found all the lady doctor episodes to be horribly mediocre. I don’t know if it’s her or the writing or the direction or all of it.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Nov 10, 2021 12:59:31 GMT
Did they swap Mr Geodes actor for this episode or was he just acting a lot more camp?
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Post by simple on Nov 10, 2021 13:12:07 GMT
I’m enjoying this arc so far.
Waffle is tremendous.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Nov 14, 2021 1:21:49 GMT
Littlest one has decided Doctor Who is waay too scary. Older one wants to keep watching. Conflict ensues...
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Post by simple on Nov 15, 2021 18:54:07 GMT
They really have upped the production values for this series, haven’t they?
Its a shame that Whittaker’s definitive performance is possibly her big farewell
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Post by ryder35 on Nov 15, 2021 19:01:33 GMT
My slightly drunk self really struggled to make sense of this week’s episode.😯
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2021 9:46:54 GMT
We watched it last night. Not got a fucking clue what happened but I still preferred it to the potato people episode. A few nicely creepy turns from the weeping angels as well and it looks like it focuses on them next week. Good times.
Tell you what, it may be borderline incomprehensible, but Doctor Who has never looked so good. Some seriously impressive scenes this episode.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Nov 16, 2021 9:59:47 GMT
It was indeed incomprehensible. In the rush to have a greatest hits of bad guys it jumped around all over the place. In beetween people floating unconvincingly in a lava lamp while shouting at each other.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2021 10:16:54 GMT
Yes the lava lamp was silly.
Some of those vistas were great though.
But eh, yeah. I haven't got the fucking foggiest what's going on.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Nov 16, 2021 10:27:14 GMT
I think, to be fair, one of the problems is the sporadic nature of the episodes now. Its back referring to things that I have completely forgotten about but, technically, happened just last series.
Like that time agency thing. I had totally forgotten about that.
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Post by simple on Nov 16, 2021 10:33:58 GMT
The third episode feels guilty of what all the Matt Smith big arcs got wrong for me.
It was nice to see the Angels in what looked like the RE Village
I like that in general the classic enemies look more like modern updates of the vintage looks rather than the reboot designs
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Post by simple on Nov 16, 2021 10:35:56 GMT
Do you think that the Serpent was supposed to look like Russell Kane?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2021 10:45:25 GMT
Yeah I really can't recall what the time agency thing (division?) is all about, or that other doctor.
The daleks and cybermen looked great however. Much prefer this look to the daleks.
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Post by simple on Nov 16, 2021 11:19:26 GMT
The Sontarians too after the purple suited CBBC look they had a few seasons ago.
I think the other Doctor is a pre-Hartnell regeneration that ‘our’ Doctors weren’t aware of / part of an canonical excuse to lift the regen cap.
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Post by nazo on Nov 16, 2021 21:11:24 GMT
They need a 'previously on...' recap bit really. I vaguely remembered something about the Doctor not being a Timelord but actually the Timeless Child or some such but I couldn't remember anything about The Division.
I looked it up on a wiki and supposedly the Doctor was an alien brought to Galifrey as a child by a scientist who discovered she could regenerate, figured out how it worked and spliced her genes into Galifreyans creating the Timelords. This revelation that all Timelords have some of her DNA is why the Master fucked Galifrey up in the previous series. At some point she was recruited into The Division, a secretive organisation based on Galifrey and when she left they wiped her memory. Doggy fella is the only agent she's been able to track down that's still alive which is why she was chasing him at the start of this series.
And now it all makes perfect sense.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Nov 17, 2021 4:03:39 GMT
I was kinda hoping this season would be a good jumping on point for my kids, and it does seem more fun than recent seasons, but it also seems to rely on a lot of knowledge of the past few seasons, and I think they're maybe overestimating how much people paid attention to those.
It's always been the problem for nuWho though, they're trying to appeal to serious Who fans and sci-fi fans who pay attention to all this stuff, whilst also making a casual viewing show that families can watch in the evening. They rarely if ever get the balance quite right, and maybe it's impossible to do so.
The Ecleston season did a pretty good job of reintroducing the character and the aliens, but by now they've built up 10+ seasons of nuWho lore, and a lot of viewers probably haven't even seen the Ecelston or Tennant ones, let alone the old Who ones.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2021 7:31:44 GMT
nazoThat does make sense now you've written that. I genuinely didn't catch any of that last series though but I don't think I was paying attention for half of it. Tempted to watch it again now and see.
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Post by simple on Nov 17, 2021 12:23:00 GMT
I think on the whole Whittaker is a good jumping on point but that episode was lore heavy. Her other series are well served if you want standalone episodes.
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Post by britesparc on Nov 17, 2021 13:05:50 GMT
They need a 'previously on...' recap bit really. I vaguely remembered something about the Doctor not being a Timelord but actually the Timeless Child or some such but I couldn't remember anything about The Division. I looked it up on a wiki and supposedly the Doctor was an alien brought to Galifrey as a child by a scientist who discovered she could regenerate, figured out how it worked and spliced her genes into Galifreyans creating the Timelords. This revelation that all Timelords have some of her DNA is why the Master fucked Galifrey up in the previous series. At some point she was recruited into The Division, a secretive organisation based on Galifrey and when she left they wiped her memory. Doggy fella is the only agent she's been able to track down that's still alive which is why she was chasing him at the start of this series. And now it all makes perfect sense. Ah, see I'd remembered all the Division/Timeless Child crap stuff from before, but had utterly forgotten about her chasing doggo from two weeks ago. I still think the Timeless Child revelation would have been so much better if it turned out the child was the Master, rather than the Doctor. I'm not a fan of "super special chosen one" narratives, and Doctor Who in particular could do without it. Having an extra secret regeneration before Hartnell is cool though.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Nov 17, 2021 13:38:52 GMT
If we assume that The Master *isn't* a previous string of forgotten regenerations of The Doctor.
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Post by britesparc on Nov 17, 2021 14:39:24 GMT
If we assume that The Master *isn't* a previous string of forgotten regenerations of The Doctor. OOooooooohhhhhh!
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