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Post by quadfather on Jul 23, 2024 18:02:39 GMT
Out of all duo fights I found the Maneater boss in Demons' Souls the most annoying primarily due to the location of the fight. Can personally vouch 10/10 |
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Post by quadfather on Jul 23, 2024 18:05:13 GMT
DS2 and BB have a couple of trios as well, none of which are bad fights Yeah this is a good point. Shadows of yharnham I thought I'd never be able to do, disliking single bosses in general as I do, but even I managed to enjoy that one because it was fucking manageable and well designed. Hard, but fair. Same with the trio in ds2, even with the smaller arena, but at least it's tiered. Again, good design. It does seem to be following a trend, where each game is getting a bit more over the top each iteration. |
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Post by peacemaker on Jul 23, 2024 20:00:06 GMT
Gone back to bb as my son hasn’t played it. Ouch, that frame rate is shocking. Come on bluepoint.
Pretty much finish no summoning ng+ run on er, just the dlc to do really except for a couple of main game bosses.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jul 23, 2024 20:14:22 GMT
I think the frame rate is fine, as usual it's just the terrible frame pacing which makes it look jerky. I've always wondered why it seems to be a thing that's very common with Japanese devs.
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Post by Duffking on Jul 24, 2024 12:35:08 GMT
Replaying Dark Souls recently and now going through Demon's again with the boy in co-op and I do really miss their old style bosses. You know... One phase, big telegraphs for moves, a moderate amount of health. Bosses shouldn't be huge fucking roadblocks that halt progress for weeks at a time. Some of us want to see the rest of your fucking game. That's where I am with Malenia. I'm just loading it up, going a few rounds, then playing something else. If you took one or two things away from her, it'd be fine. There's a really fun fight in there. It's the same with a couple of other bosses where it really feels like they kept pushing the difficulty to the limit
She's got loads of health, life steal, a stupid combo, second health bar and scarlet rot. It's a lot
The gargoyles fight is another example. You've already got 2 bosses to fight, each with unique movesets to learn. That would have been fine. But then they add in the poison attack so it's something else you have to constantly deal with, plus it does direct damage and staggers
Godskin Duo is similar. Them constantly throwing fireballs is what makes it frustrating. It's like they felt they had to one up O&S
Also poison isn't enough, we need another, even worse poison now
Great game though
Malenia is actually kinda of weird, because she'd be easy to "fix" but would also immediately become a pretty non notable boss.
The obvious things to do with her are:
- Make the lifesteal only work if it does damage, so that it doesn't delete an entire playstyle from the game - Make it either so that she can be knocked out of the waterfowl dance windup if you hit her enough during it, or she won't cancel unfairly out of her punish windows into it leaving you unable to get out of the way in time
The latter is basically what makes her bullshit but without it IDK if she'd even register as "mildly difficult", the rest of her is remarkably fair. She even flinches when you hit her unlike most.
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Post by JuniorFE on Jul 24, 2024 12:43:57 GMT
Malenia can already be knocked out of the Waterfowl windup by various things (a status proc like bleed or frostbite, a hefty enough strike), it's just that she's in midair so not much reaches her and the window is small.
As for the lifesteal only proccing when she deals damage, I'm assuming you're considering a blocking playstyle... The problem is, many shields, including some of the heaviest, don't have 100% physical negation, so even in your hypothetical the chip damage would trigger the heal.
(it also doesn't really mesh with the lore that the "lifesteal" is just her determination and spirit rallying her to keep fighting, so theoretically it should trigger regardless of a shield's presence unless she misses you entirely, or uses the Rot as it's a power not her own... but we're talking strictly gameplay here)
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Post by Vandelay on Jul 24, 2024 13:00:39 GMT
Got to say, I went back to Malenia on my most recent character and absolutely destroyed her, whereas I gave up against her with the character I played at launch. Admittedly, I was most of the way through the DLC when I did this and my character was at about level 165 or so (about 30 more than I finished the game with on my previous character), but that sounds like a fairly standard level to be for end game and that I was perhaps a little under levelled previously.
Even when I struggled against her though, I wouldn't have said it ever felt like an unfair fight and certainly not one that felt like I was required to play against in a certain way, which is the biggest issue with the final boss in the DLC.
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Post by Duffking on Jul 24, 2024 13:17:48 GMT
Malenia can already be knocked out of the Waterfowl windup by various things (a status proc like bleed or frostbite, a hefty enough strike), it's just that she's in midair so not much reaches her and the window is small. As for the lifesteal only proccing when she deals damage, I'm assuming you're considering a blocking playstyle... The problem is, many shields, including some of the heaviest, don't have 100% physical negation, so even in your hypothetical the chip damage would trigger the heal. (it also doesn't really mesh with the lore that the "lifesteal" is just her determination and spirit rallying her to keep fighting, so theoretically it should trigger regardless of a shield's presence unless she misses you entirely, or uses the Rot as it's a power not her own... but we're talking strictly gameplay here) Yeah i mean mostly in practical terms - the way the fight plays out in many cases is she'll do one of her moves that leaves her open to punish, so you go in for a melee swing, and that's the exact moment where she does an RNG "lol nope" and starts the windup mid way through one of your swings and there's no realistic way to get her out of it at that point
I mean I just went shieldless and dual wield spears'd her to death, but yes, the chip would and should trigger the heal, but proportional to how much damage was done. Lets be honest, that still kinda fits the lore because if she's repeatedly hitting you and barely scratching you that's not all that motivating either.
The main point though is that it'd be a piss easy fight without those two things. She's not notably aggressive/fast/etc outside of that stuff. It's more waterfowl than the lifesteal, if she couldn't just randomly trigger it with no warning during periods you're clearly meant to be attacking her it'd be a nothing move.
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Post by Aunty Treats on Jul 24, 2024 13:57:00 GMT
Duffking that's exactly it with Malenia, your hits will stagger her most of the time but occasionally she'll dodge, parry or just straight up ignore your hit and jump up into the air, and you can't really do much at that point. If you've got enough distance when it happens, you can quite easily outrun the first, dodge forward past the second and practically walk away from the third one. I'm getting better at dealing with the combo and can at least survive it a lot more often now and I can deal with her second form a bit better. I can feel it getting close
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Post by Duffking on Jul 24, 2024 14:45:23 GMT
I think the easiest way to deal with that shit is to just have a dagger you can swap to in your off hand with something like bloodhound step on it, or one of the other dodge moves that has more i-frames. When she pops up in the air you can just swap and spam the fuck out of that and it will avoid most of it without problem.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jul 29, 2024 20:14:39 GMT
I got to Radahn just before I left for my holidays and picked it up when I got back. I had what I thought was quite a powerful arcane build but just got my shit pushed in for the last few days.
I really didn’t want to respect so tried to push through but, no, I just couldn’t do it so I thought ‘fuck this’ and respecced into that stupid fingerprint shield build with mohgs spear.
And now, after two tries, Radahn is the only boss I’ve actually solo’d in the DLC. This game is so fucking dumb.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jul 29, 2024 20:38:46 GMT
It's really stupid isn't it?
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jul 29, 2024 20:56:01 GMT
I suppose it’s good that there is a way that even a chimp could eventually beat it but it feels like the easier solution would have been to not make him out of pure bullshit. Genuinely one of the worst bosses I’ve ever encountered. Like I have not taken an ounce of satisfaction from that. I beat it because I saw a YouTube video.
At one point I was debating whether to wait for the inevitable nerf or just swallow it and roll an easy mode build because I really didn’t want to completely gimp the experience but I just do not have the time or the patience to learn all of those patterns.
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Post by peacemaker on Jul 29, 2024 23:16:00 GMT
The other day I said on here about bb shocking frame rate or pacing or what ever but I just played it on my 144mhz pc monitor and it’s smooth as silk. Before I was running it on my normal lg 55inch tv that I do all my console gaming and it was awful but I’ve not noticed that on any other game.
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Post by quadfather on Jul 30, 2024 7:35:02 GMT
The other day I said on here about bb shocking frame rate or pacing or what ever but I just played it on my 144mhz pc monitor and it’s smooth as silk. Before I was running it on my normal lg 55inch tv that I do all my console gaming and it was awful but I’ve not noticed that on any other game. Stupid question but your 55 isn't on movie mode or anything when you tried it? |
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Post by peacemaker on Jul 30, 2024 7:56:56 GMT
The other day I said on here about bb shocking frame rate or pacing or what ever but I just played it on my 144mhz pc monitor and it’s smooth as silk. Before I was running it on my normal lg 55inch tv that I do all my console gaming and it was awful but I’ve not noticed that on any other game. Stupid question but your 55 isn't on movie mode or anything when you tried it? I was going to check next time I was on (hopefully in the next hour!) |
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Post by gamecat on Jul 30, 2024 12:21:49 GMT
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jul 30, 2024 12:24:34 GMT
The other day I said on here about bb shocking frame rate or pacing or what ever but I just played it on my 144mhz pc monitor and it’s smooth as silk. Before I was running it on my normal lg 55inch tv that I do all my console gaming and it was awful but I’ve not noticed that on any other game. Stupid question but your 55 isn't on movie mode or anything when you tried it? I was thinking that, BB isn't smooth as silk on anything. |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jul 30, 2024 12:25:10 GMT
Glad that it took them...TWO years to change that. I would also disagree that nothing dramatic has been changed, they've buffed pretty much every spirit ash! |
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Post by RadicalRex on Jul 30, 2024 12:32:04 GMT
Expressly excluding Mimic Tear, that is.
There's one change to Mimic though, apparently: "Fixed a bug in the behavior of the Mimic Tear spirit when casting Spells, Incantations and Skills." --very vague wording there, wondering if that'll turn out to be a major nerf.
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Post by Vandelay on Jul 30, 2024 12:38:33 GMT
Thank fuck for that respawn your steed prompt change! That prompt killed me multiple times. Would prefer they just had an option to not bother with the prompt at all, but this will be good enough.
Dipped in a couple of times recently to try Radahn again. Still failing miserably. Saw an article on Polygon that suggested the Bloodfiend's Arm against him. Worked ok, but never seemed to be able to get hemorrhage to trigger, no matter how many times I was hitting him with R2 charged, which was supposed to be the point of using the weapon. It would occasionally got a stagger on him though, which was good.
Think I'm going to cave and just use a shield and poking method. I've seen the Verdigris set and shield recommended, so will give that ago (or go find this Fingerprint shield). Also the Antspur Rapier, but that would need a respec.
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Post by peacemaker on Jul 30, 2024 12:47:59 GMT
The other day I said on here about bb shocking frame rate or pacing or what ever but I just played it on my 144mhz pc monitor and it’s smooth as silk. Before I was running it on my normal lg 55inch tv that I do all my console gaming and it was awful but I’ve not noticed that on any other game. Stupid question but your 55 isn't on movie mode or anything when you tried it? For some unknown reason that hdmi input was using smooth motion which seemed to completely turn bb into a stutter fest. For those first several hours I just thought I’d got used to 60fps+ but nope the tv was messing it up. |
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Post by RadicalRex on Jul 30, 2024 12:48:02 GMT
The Euporia has been buffed massively apparently, which is what people were desperately calling for afaik. From what I hear it may be an S-tier weapon now, so if you wanted to use it but gave up on it, it's probably worth giving another try.
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Post by quadfather on Jul 30, 2024 12:50:50 GMT
Stupid question but your 55 isn't on movie mode or anything when you tried it? For some unknown reason that hdmi input was using smooth motion which seemed to completely turn bb into a stutter fest. For those first several hours I just thought I’d got used to 60fps+ but nope the tv was messing it up. Aha, well, glad it's sorted anyway! |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jul 30, 2024 13:11:48 GMT
Expressly excluding Mimic Tear, that is. There's one change to Mimic though, apparently: "Fixed a bug in the behavior of the Mimic Tear spirit when casting Spells, Incantations and Skills." --very vague wording there, wondering if that'll turn out to be a major nerf. Well yeah it still is the best spirit by a far margin. Although I have noticed it does make "interesting decisions " and can be either be very passive or stupidly aggressive. It also never seems to use items that I've set out for it. |
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jul 30, 2024 13:24:53 GMT
Yeah, that’s my reading of it but it remains to be seen. When you have a melee focussed character it will still pop spells all the time. I had a couple of dragon spells equipped just to proc status effects and the mimic tear just wouldn’t stop using them so hopefully it’s a bit more clever at choosing what to use.
The other spirits always felt kind of worthless but the bosses in the DLC just render all of them bar the mimic tear obsolete so they had to do something. I even levelled up the new stone golem one just to tank aggro and radahn still obliterated it.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jul 30, 2024 13:32:00 GMT
Think I'm going to cave and just use a shield and poking method. I've seen the Verdigris set and shield recommended, so will give that ago (or go find this Fingerprint shield). I tried the bloodfiends arm with the deflect tear and did ok with it. Didn’t make an enormous amount of difference to the setup I usually use, though, and still got spanked. FWIW, the build I finally caved and used was Mohgs spear and the fingerprint shield with the two headed turtle and stamina regen tear, the shield guard talisman and great shield talisman. You need like 50 carry. |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jul 30, 2024 13:39:12 GMT
Did you enjoy poking while trying to visually make out what in the ever-loving fuck is going on with all the blinding pillars of light?
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Post by JuniorFE on Jul 30, 2024 13:44:45 GMT
Now watch your muscle memory make you move to the cancel option because you still think you need to choose the other one  |
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jul 30, 2024 13:50:04 GMT
Did you enjoy poking while trying to visually make out what in the ever-loving fuck is going on with all the blinding pillars of light? I can honestly say it was the least satisfying kill of any From game, maybe any game. I think I may have even persevered if I could have just jumped back into it but Select Dragon claw seal in off hand Golden Vow Flame Grant Me Strength Beastial Vitality Select albinauric staff in off hand Rotate spells back to thorns Rotate to physick Pop physick Rotate back to flask Two hand weapon Go through mist Die Is so fucking laborious. It was taking longer to prep for a fight than I was surviving. |
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