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Post by Tonka (🐑,🪤) on Nov 18, 2021 13:36:57 GMT
Then I bow my head to the engineering that has made my track pad click when the macbook is turned off. Do you reckon they keep a bit of processing power running just to make the boot-up sequence more pleasant?
I'm not complaining, they obviously fooled me.
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Post by 😎 on Nov 18, 2021 13:41:41 GMT
Are you talking about wake from sleep/suspend or starting from cold with a full power off? Because the trackpad can’t turn it on from cold. A suspend isn’t technically a power off state.
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Post by Fake_Blood on Nov 18, 2021 16:25:06 GMT
It totally does click and turn on from cold. At least on the new mbp and the mid 2018 one. I had the click stop working at some point on the 2018 model, even after a cold boot. Reset of the pram or whatever fixed it. It was weird though, a reminder that ow right, this doesn't actually physically move.
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Post by 😎 on Nov 18, 2021 17:13:20 GMT
Huh, weird. I don’t remember that turning it on from cold before, wonder if that was in a firmware or OS update.
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Post by fourwisemen on Nov 20, 2021 18:39:31 GMT
Got my new MacBook PRO today. The entry level M1 Pro model. Keyboard is really nice, having ports is amazing, video and audio are a noticeable step up. I'm setting it up manually since I had a bunch of crap on the old one I'd rather get rid of, but gods there are some boring things to do o a new computer. Setting up VPN, trying to turn off all the annoying notifications, logging in to my google accounts, etc. All in all this is super exciting. Time to get Fusion 360 up and running What are your impressions of the MBP 14? I’m moving jobs and angled for a MacBook and deciding between a MBA with 16GB or paying the extra to get the MBP. I’m pretty sure the Air would suit my needs….but…the new and shiny is mighty tempting. |
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Post by Tonka (🐑,🪤) on Nov 21, 2021 7:49:17 GMT
Are you talking about wake from sleep/suspend or starting from cold with a full power off? Because the trackpad can’t turn it on from cold. A suspend isn’t technically a power off state. This might be the cause of my confusion I chose Turn off from the Apple menu and thought that meant it would turn off completely. I do get the Apple logo and a loading bar, so it seems like it's a proper cold start. But I was surprised that I could boot it up by clicking the touch pad. |
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Post by Tonka (🐑,🪤) on Nov 21, 2021 7:54:56 GMT
fourwisemen I think it's a fantastic laptop. It's bulkier and heavier than my previous 13"MBP but I still think it's convenient to lug around. Battery life is impressive, the keyboard is really nice, screen is amazing, sound is great. I've been mucking about in Fusion 360 and there's been zero lag (not that I'm doing sitter complicated stuff, but still) Any specific questions? Oh, I forgot to mention the ports, me and my wife have DSLRs, so having a non dongle way to transfer images is bliss
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Post by fourwisemen on Nov 21, 2021 11:11:51 GMT
fourwisemen I think it's a fantastic laptop. It's bulkier and heavier than my previous 13"MBP but I still think it's convenient to lug around. Battery life is impressive, the keyboard is really nice, screen is amazing, sound is great. I've been mucking about in Fusion 360 and there's been zero lag (not that I'm doing sitter complicated stuff, but still) Any specific questions? Oh, I forgot to mention the ports, me and my wife have DSLRs, so having a non dongle way to transfer images is bliss Thanks for the reply Tonka (🐑,🪤)No specific question really, my needs are pretty simple really (hence an MBA likely do me fine) and currently my daily driver is a 27’’ 2007 iMac, i5, Radeon Pro 580 and 24gb of RAM. As a general rule I’ve got running - Slack, Teams, Messages, WhatsApp, Podcasts, Apple Music, Outlook, VoIP software, PowerPoint, Excel, a shed load of browser tabs (Chrome and Safari, one work and one for personal) and maybe the odd other thing. I understand that unified memory can’t really be compared to RAM in old money but still have a slight reservation about dropping from 24 to 16GB. if I’m being honest with myself, I’m probably just looking for a justification to go MBP instead of MBA… |
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Post by Tonka (🐑,🪤) on Nov 21, 2021 11:44:58 GMT
A friend at work who is also about to get a new laptop looked into the RAM thing (by watching a bunch of youtube videos) and from what he said RAM is not nearly as important as it used to be.
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Post by ozthegweat on Nov 21, 2021 15:25:41 GMT
fourwisemen I think it's a fantastic laptop. It's bulkier and heavier than my previous 13"MBP but I still think it's convenient to lug around. Battery life is impressive, the keyboard is really nice, screen is amazing, sound is great. I've been mucking about in Fusion 360 and there's been zero lag (not that I'm doing sitter complicated stuff, but still) Any specific questions? Oh, I forgot to mention the ports, me and my wife have DSLRs, so having a non dongle way to transfer images is bliss Thanks for the reply Tonka (🐑,🪤) No specific question really, my needs are pretty simple really (hence an MBA likely do me fine) and currently my daily driver is a 27’’ 2007 iMac, i5, Radeon Pro 580 and 24gb of RAM. As a general rule I’ve got running - Slack, Teams, Messages, WhatsApp, Podcasts, Apple Music, Outlook, VoIP software, PowerPoint, Excel, a shed load of browser tabs (Chrome and Safari, one work and one for personal) and maybe the odd other thing. I understand that unified memory can’t really be compared to RAM in old money but still have a slight reservation about dropping from 24 to 16GB. if I’m being honest with myself, I’m probably just looking for a justification to go MBP instead of MBA… Buy an MBA, save a ton of money, use it for a year, and on the off chance it doesn't work out, sell it and buy the second-gen 14" MBP. |
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Post by knighty on Nov 21, 2021 15:33:16 GMT
Is it just me or are base 2021 iPads like rocking horse shit? Got one but need another one for my other kid. Got a feeling I’m not going to get one by Xmas.
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Post by beastmaster on Nov 24, 2021 8:54:54 GMT
RAM is just as important as it ever was IMO. Although I guess it depends on what you are doing. They are terrific machines but don’t believe the hype too much.
Certain YouTube channels just do the same tests over and over and whilst they are useful “real life” indication, it’s not really true.
Let’s see how long a 8K export in Final Cut/Resolve takes! Let’s see playback from Canon footage. Nope! Let’s see what footage is like when you start adding tittles, effects, transitions, colour correction etc. Eats up the RAM, the laptop starts sounding like a jet engine and watch that battery life drain like crazy.
Umm...this is probably what most people aren’t doing though. Plus, mines a 13” M1 so it doesn’t have the POWAH of the new chips. Still bloody great though despite my comments above.
Been hearing stories of “poor” performance on first gen M1 that have the smallest RAM and SSD.
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Post by Tonka (🐑,🪤) on Nov 24, 2021 9:33:18 GMT
Umm...this is probably what most people aren’t doing though. I'm not sure what most people are doing, but a lot of the popular work applications (Teams, Slack, Meet) are apparently poorly written RAM hoggers, so maybe your point about RAM still being important has merit to it regardless. |
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Post by elstoof on Nov 25, 2021 16:30:06 GMT
Very tempted to chuck my 2019 i7 MacBook Pro in for credit towards a 16", they'll give me £570 for it apparently. Talk me into doing it, hive mind
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Post by 😎 on Nov 25, 2021 16:45:13 GMT
Do it or I’ll cut you
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Post by elstoof on Nov 25, 2021 16:54:29 GMT
Oh alright
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Post by ozthegweat on Nov 25, 2021 17:19:44 GMT
I heard people with old MacBook Pros have small penises. Yes even women.
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Post by elstoof on Nov 25, 2021 17:57:58 GMT
Do I go for the Max, after the refund and claiming the VAT back it seems almost reasonably priced
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Post by jeepers on Nov 25, 2021 18:21:12 GMT
Do I go for the Max, after the refund and claiming the VAT back it seems almost reasonably priced You’d be a fool not to. (Am I helping?) |
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Post by ozthegweat on Nov 25, 2021 18:21:54 GMT
Depends if you use software that uses the GPU. The M1 Max laptops are not only more expensive, but also heavier. See if there are any benchmarks.
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Post by ozthegweat on Nov 25, 2021 18:23:21 GMT
Do I go for the Max, after the refund and claiming the VAT back it seems almost reasonably priced You’d be a fool not to. (Am I helping?) If in doubt: yes, buy the overly powerful machine. |
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Post by elstoof on Nov 25, 2021 18:25:39 GMT
Yay!
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Post by Phattso on Nov 25, 2021 18:31:31 GMT
The MAX also has the faster RAM interconnect frequency, so if you do stuff that hits the RAM an excessive amount (graphically intensive stuff, code compilation, etc. etc.) then there's a benefit there as well. When I was pricing one up, I'd actually settled on the 24 GPU core M1 Max model, which sits between the 16 GPU cores on the Pro and the 32 GPU cores on the maxxed out Max.
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Post by [maven] on Nov 25, 2021 19:10:21 GMT
The MAX also has the faster RAM interconnect frequency, so if you do stuff that hits the RAM an excessive amount (graphically intensive stuff, code compilation, etc. etc.) then there's a benefit there as well. When I was pricing one up, I'd actually settled on the 24 GPU core M1 Max model, which sits between the 16 GPU cores on the Pro and the 32 GPU cores on the maxxed out Max. Not entirely correct, see www.anandtech.com/show/17024/apple-m1-max-performance-review/2 (Bandwidth) The CPU cluster only gets up to 240 GB/s even on the MAX model (which has 400 GB/s in aggregate). So there's only a little bit of a memory bandwidth boost (from 200 to 240) if you're only hitting the CPUs. IMO only spend on the MAX if you need the capacity or expect to be hitting the GPU as well. |
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Post by Tonka (🐑,🪤) on Nov 25, 2021 19:40:58 GMT
Depends if you use software that uses the GPU. The M1 Max laptops are not only more expensive, but also heavier. See if there are any benchmarks. Trust me, they're not heavy enough to make dents in your desk. |
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Post by Phattso on Nov 25, 2021 22:36:41 GMT
The MAX also has the faster RAM interconnect frequency, so if you do stuff that hits the RAM an excessive amount (graphically intensive stuff, code compilation, etc. etc.) then there's a benefit there as well. When I was pricing one up, I'd actually settled on the 24 GPU core M1 Max model, which sits between the 16 GPU cores on the Pro and the 32 GPU cores on the maxxed out Max. Not entirely correct, see www.anandtech.com/show/17024/apple-m1-max-performance-review/2 (Bandwidth) The CPU cluster only gets up to 240 GB/s even on the MAX model (which has 400 GB/s in aggregate). So there's only a little bit of a memory bandwidth boost (from 200 to 240) if you're only hitting the CPUs. IMO only spend on the MAX if you need the capacity or expect to be hitting the GPU as well. Oooh, I stand corrected. And I can save £300 when I inevitably cave in and buy one.  |
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Post by elstoof on Nov 26, 2021 9:05:03 GMT
The MAX also has the faster RAM interconnect frequency, so if you do stuff that hits the RAM an excessive amount (graphically intensive stuff, code compilation, etc. etc.) then there's a benefit there as well. When I was pricing one up, I'd actually settled on the 24 GPU core M1 Max model, which sits between the 16 GPU cores on the Pro and the 32 GPU cores on the maxxed out Max. The 24 core Max only saves £100, might as well go the whole hog really. I don’t need the extra graphics grunt at all, but faster ram and more of it as standard would future proof it somewhat. i usually get 7/8 years out of a MacBook, the current gimped one notwithstanding |
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Post by blizeh on Nov 27, 2021 7:05:58 GMT
Hey guys, managed to get a good deal on an M1 Air to replace my wife’s old laptop, need something to let very occasionally use old USBs and also use HDMI probably like a couple of times a year, so was thinking something cheap. Would this do the job? www.amazon.co.uk/NOVOO-Aluminum-compatible-MateBook-Chromebook/dp/B075FGQ988/I swear I read something about MacBooks only having the 1 input a while ago but looks like the M1 air has two USB ports so I don’t need to worry about power. Long term goal is to replace her 11 year old iMac with one of those fancy monitors that can act as a hub and power the laptop too. Thanks |
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Post by Dougs on Nov 27, 2021 8:05:31 GMT
I have that exact one for my work MacBook Air. It works but there's occasional lag with the wireless keyboard - don't know if it's the dongle or that it's a work laptop causing it. It's annoying.
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Post by ozthegweat on Nov 27, 2021 8:23:14 GMT
The discontinued 12" MacBook (without the "Air") only had 1 port.
Never heard of that brand before. You could also just buy two dongles, from Apple or from others, one USB-C to HDMI and one USB-C to USB-A.
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