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Post by darkling on Oct 26, 2021 14:28:45 GMT
That sounds like a whole lot of inconvenience for software developers, caused by an easily avoidable issue of Apple's own making. Hopefully the framework can easily be adhered to, to allow wide menus to continue t'other side of the notch.
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Post by 😎 on Oct 26, 2021 14:36:12 GMT
What Citrix issues do you have with Big Sur? I use Citrix for work and it all works well.
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Post by elstoof on Oct 26, 2021 14:41:11 GMT
The problems probably come from my wife’s work IT being shit tbf, but had to keep the desktop on Catalina so she can log in. They’re only the biggest bank in the world so we can’t expect much
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Post by Phattso on Oct 26, 2021 14:48:26 GMT
That sounds like a whole lot of inconvenience for software developers, caused by an easily avoidable issue of Apple's own making. Hopefully the framework can easily be adhered to, to allow wide menus to continue t'other side of the notch. What are you talking about? It's a piece of piss - the work of a half day. My firm's apps were made notch aware on iPhone in an hour. Some UI had to be slightly tweaked, but nobody in their right mind puts custom interfaces on the top edge. 99% of desktop apps will already be using the system frameworks anyway. It's pretty much a non-issue. Hell, I just tabbed through the apps I have open on my Mac and only one had a menu bar that even got close to halfway anyways.  |
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Post by darkling on Oct 26, 2021 15:13:34 GMT
That sounds like a whole lot of inconvenience for software developers, caused by an easily avoidable issue of Apple's own making. Hopefully the framework can easily be adhered to, to allow wide menus to continue t'other side of the notch. What are you talking about? It's a piece of piss - the work of a half day. My firm's apps were made notch aware on iPhone in an hour. Some UI had to be slightly tweaked, but nobody in their right mind puts custom interfaces on the top edge. 99% of desktop apps will already be using the system frameworks anyway. It's pretty much a non-issue. Hell, I just tabbed through the apps I have open on my Mac and only one had a menu bar that even got close to halfway anyways. Like I said, hopefully the framework can easily be adhered to, and it sounds like it can. I've only noticed a potential issue with Photoshop's wide menu so far. I don't specifically know what I'm talking about because I develop web-based SaaS applications, not native MacOS, but because I specialise in UX and interface design I just thought it was a dumb problem to introduce in the first place, from my perspective. Regardless, it unnecessarily reduces screen real estate. |
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Post by Fake_Blood on Oct 26, 2021 15:17:55 GMT
The notch is a glass half full/half empty situation. You say it reduces screen space, some will say you have a 16x10 screen with 2 extra bits on top.
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Post by Phattso on Oct 26, 2021 15:32:52 GMT
I mean, if the alternative was a lower res screen or massive bezel(s) I think they've made the right call. So, in fact, it may have been a net INCREASE in screen real estate.
My Twitter is basically 90% devs, and I'm not seeing any chatter about it being a problem. It's kind of a tried and true solution to that particular problem. In fact, arguably, it's far more impactful on mobile than on desktop where you have the wide aspect ratio.
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Post by elstoof on Oct 26, 2021 15:49:51 GMT
It’s a non issue, the camera has to go somewhere and a notch that lets the task bar sit either side is better than a full length bezel along the top. That would look especially shit with smaller bezels on the other 3 sides of the screen
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Post by Phattso on Oct 26, 2021 16:03:11 GMT
Don't get me wrong, I'd much rather they used THE AWESOME POWAH OF TECH to put the camera behind the screen or something. But having had an iPhone XS in my pocket for the last four years, if the choice is bezel or notch I'm notch every time now. It's even somewhat normalised as a thing you can do in tech now, I wouldn't be surprised to see some Windows laptops with notches (fucking it up) soon.
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Post by darkling on Oct 26, 2021 16:14:18 GMT
I didn't realise the space either side of the notch was in addition to the standard 16:10 screen. In that case, it's an absolutely fair design decision.
I do hope they manage to shrink camera tech in the near future though, so they can fit it into tiny bezels, especially webcams, which don't exactly need to be bleeding edge quality.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2021 16:21:49 GMT
I'm pretty anti-notch, tbh. I have an 11 Pro Max, and I don't like it here. Especially for videos that use the ultrawidescreen ratio, having that bit of the video clipped off annoys me. I'd hate it on a 16:10 laptop.
I bought a Windows laptop about two months ago, and for a second I regretted not waiting for the new MacBooks, but seeing the notch on the new ones lets me know I made the right choice for me. I'm happy with my 16:9 1440p screen.
Having said all that, my iPhone's been chugging even just browsing the web lately, and I've been wide-eyeing those 13 Pro Maxes.
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Post by 😎 on Oct 26, 2021 16:53:13 GMT
Can’t you double tap a video to resize to fit the notch? I thought that was a thing. Depends on the app and player I guess.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2021 16:58:42 GMT
If it's a 16:9 video, you have the option of watching it in 16:9 aspect ratio, which effectively creates black OLED bezels or cropping it to fill the screen, but for 18.5:9 or 21:9 videos, you're pretty much stuck with the full screen.
A lot of Android phones have just placed the camera in the screen as a small circle at the top, and I don't get why Apple doesn't do something similar.
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Post by elstoof on Oct 26, 2021 17:02:47 GMT
Isn’t zooming out the screen the normal thing to do? You need to avoid the curved corners as well as the notch. webcams, which don't exactly need to be bleeding edge quality. Apple were given shit over the previous gen only being 720 so it probably does need to be bleeding edge |
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Post by Phattso on Oct 26, 2021 18:05:27 GMT
A lot of Android phones have just placed the camera in the screen as a small circle at the top, and I don't get why Apple doesn't do something similar. That's because they're literally just cameras. On the iPhones there's also a sensor cluster (IR blaster, etc.) alongside the camera itself. That doesn't explain the Mac notch, because it *doesn't* have that sensor cluster. The scuttlebutt is that they ran out of time to get that in this year, but it's going in next year for FaceID and wotnot, so they just took the hit on the full size notch. Time will tell if that's bullshit. |
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Post by ozthegweat on Oct 26, 2021 18:14:09 GMT
People complained about the webcams only being 720p for ages. So they could either: - Put in a 1080p webcam, increase the bezel, and make either the device bigger or the screen smaller
- Keep the 720p webcam, reduce the bezel and make either the screen bigger or the device smaller
- Put a 1080p webcam in a notch, reduce the bezel and make either the screen bigger or the device smaller (even more than with option b)
I don't give a shit about webcam quality, I'm in the minority. I'd have preferred a Dell XPS style superslim bezel:  |
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Oct 26, 2021 18:42:36 GMT
People complained about the webcams only being 720p for ages. So they could either: - Put in a 1080p webcam, increase the bezel, and make either the device bigger or the screen smaller
- Keep the 720p webcam, reduce the bezel and make either the screen bigger or the device smaller
- Put a 1080p webcam in a notch, reduce the bezel and make either the screen bigger or the device smaller (even more than with option b)
I don't give a shit about webcam quality, I'm in the minority. I'd have preferred a Dell XPS style superslim bezel: Well, no, there are a several other options. I don’t really care about a notch but since they didn’t use faceid and it is just a webcam other manufacturers are doing hole punch webcams, hidden ones behind the screen or that weird thing with the function key huawei did. Like I say, it doesn’t bother me but, for a company that cares about design it feels a bit ‘chuck it in and fuck off’. Either that or they are establishing the design language for when they put faceid into the next one which is somehow even worse. |
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Post by DrStrangelove on Oct 26, 2021 19:45:21 GMT
I have an 11 Pro Max …. my iPhone's been chugging even just browsing the web lately, and I've been wide-eyeing those 13 Pro Maxes. I’ve got a xs max (so is older than yours) and is still absolutely fine for everything I use it for. What sites are you having issues with? |
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Post by elstoof on Oct 26, 2021 19:53:02 GMT
Presumably ordering and designing around panels in the dimensions you intend to use for the next 10 years is more practical than a slightly smaller notch version for 1-2 years before fitting the upgraded parts
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Post by ozthegweat on Oct 26, 2021 20:07:26 GMT
Well, no, there are a several other options. I don’t really care about a notch but since they didn’t use faceid and it is just a webcam other manufacturers are doing hole punch webcams, hidden ones behind the screen or that weird thing with the function key huawei did. Like I say, it doesn’t bother me but, for a company that cares about design it feels a bit ‘chuck it in and fuck off’. Either that or they are establishing the design language for when they put faceid into the next one which is somehow even worse. Well, a hole punch camera is just a smaller notch at the end of the day. It would still interfere with the image and you would need to design around it. While it might be more aesthetically pleasing, I don't know what you could gain by making the notch smaller than it is today. With regard to cameras behind the display: how is the quality? If it's equal to a 720p camera, why bother? Also I could imagine that you'd need to make the lid thicker to accommodate a camera behind the screen. |
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Post by Fake_Blood on Oct 26, 2021 20:42:21 GMT
They should make an iphone magnetically stick to the back of the screen so the camera bump of the phone sits just on top of the bezel. Would be very apple too, want a webcam? Buy an iphone.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Oct 26, 2021 21:04:19 GMT
[Well, a hole punch camera is just a smaller notch at the end of the day. It would still interfere with the image and you would need to design around it. While it might be more aesthetically pleasing, I don't know what you could gain by making the notch smaller than it is today. With regard to cameras behind the display: how is the quality? If it's equal to a 720p camera, why bother? Also I could imagine that you'd need to make the lid thicker to accommodate a camera behind the screen. I dunno, I'm not an engineer but I know a company that does have a lot of them and they could obviously have done better than a notch if they had felt like it. Like I say, I don't think it's a big deal but it's obviously the thing that lets the side down aesthetically and they could obviously have avoided it if they wanted to. |
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Post by ozthegweat on Oct 27, 2021 10:51:27 GMT
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Post by 😎 on Oct 27, 2021 14:25:27 GMT
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Post by elstoof on Oct 27, 2021 14:29:38 GMT
Quinn Nelson’s tweet needs a warning as it contains over excited manchild content
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Post by Tonka (🐑,🪤) on Oct 27, 2021 15:23:35 GMT
Sons iPad 6 got sick in a boot loop and again I'm reminded of how shit apple products are when they no longer "just work"
Plug it in to iTunes
Download this thing
Sorry, we're gonna have to factory reset the i Pad
Oopsie! Something went wrong, upgrade your laptop and itunes.
LOL you what? Not enough disk
ERROR 4646 take to certified dealer
LOL that'll be a small fortune, of we can fix it.
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Post by Fake_Blood on Oct 27, 2021 15:38:58 GMT
Have you tried just downloading the relevant ipsw and just reflash the firmware? iirc there was a trick in itunes whete you hold the option button and click on a button in itunes and it lets you select the ipsw file.
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Post by acegrace on Oct 27, 2021 16:00:06 GMT
I ordered the 14" Macbook Pro with the M1 Max chip (24 core - borked version) with 32gb RAM.
Lets see how fast stuff compiles on it
/eep
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2021 18:10:08 GMT
I have an 11 Pro Max …. my iPhone's been chugging even just browsing the web lately, and I've been wide-eyeing those 13 Pro Maxes. I’ve got a xs max (so is older than yours) and is still absolutely fine for everything I use it for. What sites are you having issues with? Loads of them. So many sites these days are filled with loads of images, or autoplaying videos, or infinite scrolling articles, or HTML5 dynamic backgrounds. It eats into the memory resources quickly. |
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Post by crispyxuk on Oct 27, 2021 18:30:32 GMT
I ordered the 14" Macbook Pro with the M1 Max chip (24 core - borked version) with 32gb RAM. Lets see how fast stuff compiles on it /eep im still impressed how fast I was compiling via Rosetta, most stuff has arm versions now. I didn’t struggle balancing x86 and arm stuff though - I’m gonna do a reinstall as my paths are a mess now |
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