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May 6, 2024 16:27:41 GMT
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Post by Bongo Heracles on May 6, 2024 16:27:41 GMT
What? If anyone was going to be the supreme being, it’s that hunk.
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Post by Phattso on May 6, 2024 16:29:03 GMT
The thought of him actually even attempting the depth of the character makes me laugh. It would be hilarious in a car crash movie ruining sort of way.
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on May 6, 2024 17:22:34 GMT
I find it really odd that one of my favourite books ever, which I reread probably once every other year, was followed by books that I find completely unreadable. Messiah totally fails to hold my interest, although I've tried a few times. Once I did get past it and on to Children but I can't remember anything about them. Well the first 2/3 of the book are pretty much set up after set up after set up after set up followed by a nuke does What and errm that ended abruptly.
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Post by baihu1983 on May 15, 2024 14:29:32 GMT
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Post by 😎 on May 15, 2024 15:10:41 GMT
Looking forward to the gatekeepers getting outraged about it being adapted from the Brian Herbert prequels.
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Post by Bill in the rain on May 15, 2024 15:15:33 GMT
10,000 years before Dune, everything was exactly the same as Dune.
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Post by Nanocrystal on May 15, 2024 23:04:15 GMT
Oooh that actually looks pretty great.
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Post by Leolian'sBro on May 16, 2024 2:06:25 GMT
Looking forward to the gatekeepers getting outraged about it being adapted from the Brian Herbert prequels. Count me in as one of those. Fucking dreadful cash-ins.
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Post by otto on Jun 26, 2024 6:00:40 GMT
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Post by baihu1983 on Jul 18, 2024 15:07:48 GMT
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Post by Onny on Jul 19, 2024 12:06:33 GMT
I fucking love Dune. The book is brilliant. I watch both films frequently and adore them.
But this series - I don’t know man. I don’t dislike the idea but there isn’t enough imagination here:
- the outfits are almost exactly like the film - someone is clearly drawing a worm - it’s the dawn of the bene gesserit but many of their techniques already seem to be in place
I’m positive there will be some bollocks about the house of atriedes producing the chosen one, or dune being the most important planet, or some other obvious signposting that means the order would have been easily able to predict Paul’s actions.
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Post by harrypalmer on Jul 19, 2024 12:32:16 GMT
Yeah getting very bad vibes from the trailers for the series.
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Post by baihu1983 on Oct 18, 2024 14:56:52 GMT
I'll give it a watch
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Post by JonFE on Oct 18, 2024 15:11:09 GMT
baihu1983 Same here! Having read the first two books for the first time (now reading Children of Dune), I would also love to see Dune Messiah with the same team (Villeneuve/Chalamet/Zendaya etc.) as a closure to Paul and Chani's story.
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Post by zisssou on Oct 18, 2024 15:13:17 GMT
Game of Dunes.
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Post by Onny on Oct 18, 2024 16:04:14 GMT
So 10,000 years prior to Dune the costumes, weapons and entire culture were exactly the same?
Ffs
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Post by britesparc on Oct 19, 2024 8:42:54 GMT
That's basically the case in Star Wars and LOTR so I can just roll with it.
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Post by simple on Oct 19, 2024 13:51:04 GMT
I think the argument that’s generally made for the lack of progress in these cases is either
1. In high fantasy magic has negated the need for technological advancement which is why these worlds are trapped in a permanent mid-medieval period state
2. Technology advanced to a point where no more advancement was possible or necessary
3. All of these societies are in decline with their social and technological high points in their distant past with real knowledge of how it came about long lost
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Oct 19, 2024 17:18:51 GMT
It’s kind of the opposite in dune though, right? They did have more advanced technology but it tried to eat them so they intentionally gimped themselves on pain of death. Or something.
But, yes, the point of this is that it walks, talks and quacks like dune but intentionally so far removed from the main story it may as well be in an alternate universe
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Post by simple on Oct 19, 2024 17:41:47 GMT
The Butlerian Jihad where they smashed all their computers and now all their calculating is done by men with bushy eyebrows and navigation by mutant drug addicts
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Post by zephro on Oct 20, 2024 16:07:41 GMT
Yeah 40k lifted this. But somewhat over 10k years before hand they got rid of all thinking machines and by the time Paul rocks up it's because they've been slowly decaying all that time.
LotR it's at least the same characters for the elves. I stopped wearing new things when I was 30.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Oct 24, 2024 3:01:56 GMT
Very OT, but has anyone ever done a fantasy series/universe where they progressed from Swords to something more advanced like guns?
There are a lot of fantasy universes like Shannara* etc.. where they have long gaps between some of the novels, like hundreds or even thousands of years, but I don't immediately recall any where big technological advancements had happened in the intervening years. There are a lot where they do one trilogy of books, and then do another trilogy 100 years later or something. And usually the politics and power have shifted, but everyone is still on a horse with a sword.
*possibly not the best example due to it being, allegedly post-apoc earth, but it's the only one that comes to mind right now that has big gaps.
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Post by Lizard on Oct 24, 2024 3:36:39 GMT
At the end of Battlefield Earth the cavemen fly spaceships.
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Post by Vandelay on Oct 24, 2024 8:19:04 GMT
The usual excuse is that when a world is filled with magic there is no need for technology, so no one bothers with advancing it. Who needs a gun when you have people that can throw fireballs? Why would you come up with the combustion engine, when you can just hop on the back of a dragon for a lift?
Technology existing as a threat to magic was a key plot point in The Longest Journey series and I'm sure there are other examples of that too. I guess you could say something like Star Wars mixes advanced technology with fantasy sword fighting and magic as well (although doesn't really have advancement - or regression - of it with time jumps).
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Oct 24, 2024 8:28:43 GMT
Very OT, but has anyone ever done a fantasy series/universe where they progressed from Swords to something more advanced like guns? Children of Time by Adrian Tchaikovsky, maybe. Spiders accidentally get infected with a man-made virus to uplift their intelligence so we go from their emerging society, the females dealing with the urge to eat each other and then finally they make it into space. But that is more sci-fi than swords and sorcery.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Oct 24, 2024 8:44:52 GMT
That reminds me, I should finish Children of Time
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Post by baihu1983 on Oct 26, 2024 16:00:34 GMT
The walking dead basically went from blunt weapons to Infinite ammo cheat codes..
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Post by drhickman1983 on Oct 26, 2024 16:25:03 GMT
Brandon Sanderson Cosmere / Mistborn series sees quite a lot of technological advancement over the different in universe years.
Not read them all, but in the Mistborn series guns are common in the era 2 novels (appearing on the covers) and are set 300 years after the first era. The planned era 3 is going to be early computer age, and the planned era 4 is supposedely going to be in space-opera territory with FTL space stuff.
In other novels
Didn't see small arms but Joe Abercrombies First Law world does progress into an early industrial setting, with factories and cannons frequent by the most recent entries.
In a different setting, Pratchett's Discworld was developing into an industrial setting with steam trains and mechanised printing presses being key to the plots of some of the later novels.
In film, Ralph Bashki's Wizards animated film mixed technology and magic, though it's not really the same as it was a post apocalyptic setting where technology is an ancient thing rediscovered by the magical denizens.
And I'd like to point to the technological advancement seen in animated series The Legend of Korra, following on from The Last Airbender. No guns, but technology has started to advance and we see automobiles and radios, but not guns - but when much of the population can manipulate the elements, having guns not exist actually feels pretty realistic.
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Post by Onny on Oct 30, 2024 17:46:20 GMT
Didn't see small arms but Joe Abercrombies First Law world does progress into an early industrial setting, with factories and cannons frequent by the most recent entries. Yes that last series which dealt with the industrial age and associated politics was *chefs kiss And don’t forget the clacks!
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