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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Sept 2, 2021 22:51:38 GMT
Look, it's a thing now! The wheel of Amazon Prime keeps turning The trailer looks pretty generic high fantasy, but they clearly put some effort into it. Which is nice! Hopefully they put some effort into making the gender stuff a little more... modern. EDIT: For easy reference, here are the rules re: book wankery I'm not a mod or anything so can't enforce this, but... - If it's a blatant plot spoiler, put it in spoiler tags, with a "book discussion" warning or something similar
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Post by Nanocrystal on Sept 3, 2021 1:50:40 GMT
Got about a quarter into the first book before losing interest. Very much Aldi Lord of the Rings.
Trailer looks ok I guess. Was that a cenobyte? I'll probably watch it.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Sept 3, 2021 2:10:11 GMT
Ehh, I wouldn't say it's that close to Lord of the Rings; it's got a lot of different stuff going on.
I guess it's similar in the sense that most high fantasy cribs from LotR. But you'd never be able to read anything in that genre if you required pure, unadulterated originality.
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Post by Nanocrystal on Sept 3, 2021 2:58:46 GMT
Generic high fantasy, as you said in the first post, with emphasis on the generic. It certainly didn't convince me that reading all 14 books in the series would be a good investment of my time (unlike, say, the Malazan Empire series, of which I'm currently on book number 15 and still enjoying it).
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Sept 3, 2021 3:22:24 GMT
I said the trailer looks like that, not the books. The actual books are more complex, should you choose to read them. They take a lot more from Persian and Middle Eastern mythology, for example, rather than European mythology.
Not that I necessarily advise that you read through the whole series anyway, as it's a bit of a slog at points. But that's a problem with pacing, not it being "generic".
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Post by dominalien on Sept 3, 2021 4:23:46 GMT
The books were terrible. If the source material is so bad, can they make something worthwhile out of it?
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Sept 3, 2021 4:44:24 GMT
The books were terrible. If the source material is so bad, can they make something worthwhile out of it? I don't think they were *all* bad; the series starts and ends really well (after Sanderson took over, basically). But yeah there was a lot of mediocrity in between. Hopefully the show can improve on it! |
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Post by Dougs on Sept 3, 2021 5:19:02 GMT
I think I got about 3 chapters in before getting bored. Get on with it!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2021 6:29:45 GMT
I think the trailer looks pretty good myself, though I'm a sucker for fantasy. I'm a bit concerned how YA the thing looks, but it would have looked even more like that had they followed the books more, so its good that the people are older.
I get the comments about book pacing (I'm on the second at the moment), but iirc the Game of Thrones books were mostly people wandering from one place to another and they made a pretty good series out of that. TV can chop out the dull bits and stick with the interesting stuff and there should be more than enough of that in each book so far. The Fade /Myddraal / Cenobyte looks like I'd pictured it as does Morraine. Lan doesn't and neither do the leads aside from the blacksmith apprentice (Perrin). Hopefully they will work.
However, to me it looks good. Showed it to my wife though and she was more like the rest of you with a "well...it could be alright I suppose"
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Post by Nanocrystal on Sept 3, 2021 6:42:25 GMT
I said the trailer looks like that, not the books. The actual books are more complex, should you choose to read them. They take a lot more from Persian and Middle Eastern mythology, for example, rather than European mythology. Not that I necessarily advise that you read through the whole series anyway, as it's a bit of a slog at points. But that's a problem with pacing, not it being "generic". Fair enough. Having only read the first few chapters of book one I'm in no place to judge the series. That's just the impression it gave me. I hope the show is good. |
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Post by Flying Pig on Sept 3, 2021 6:59:43 GMT
Don't know anything about the books, but this looks worth a watch. Fingers crossed
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Post by sport✅ on Sept 3, 2021 8:00:05 GMT
I'm ok with nimbus high, but this is pure strato.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2021 11:28:31 GMT
Looking at it some more, I do like what they've done with the Aes Sedai and making them wear the colour of their order rather than having a "edging to a shawl". Seeing the Red Aja all in red makes them look a lot more like the scary so and so's they are. There's a couple of bits I don't recognise from the books in the trailer, but most of it looks like its right.
Also interesting to see the overall quality and feel of these as they are using the same film units that are working on Amazon's Lord of The Ring's Series.
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on Sept 3, 2021 11:40:02 GMT
It looks a bit BBC... Also getting strong vibes of that recent crap Netflix series whose name I've erased from my memory about wizard ladies and swooning over boys.
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Post by PazJohnMitch on Sept 3, 2021 12:01:43 GMT
Shadow and Bone?
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Post by Techno Hippy on Sept 3, 2021 12:06:02 GMT
I managed the first few books, but he really hates women, and I'd be happy if that was toned down for the series.
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on Sept 3, 2021 12:11:37 GMT
That's the one. That was some bad tv. |
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Sept 3, 2021 12:33:55 GMT
I managed the first few books, but he really hates women, and I'd be happy if that was toned down for the series. I don't know that he *hates* women. But that aspect of the books is like some hack comedian going "Hey, so men are all like..." *does caveman impression* "And chicks, right? Chicks are all like..." *does nagging mother impression* It's not hatred, really. It's just 90s American sitcom levels of understanding about gender. |
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Post by larrybong on Sept 3, 2021 12:51:42 GMT
That's the one. That was some bad tv. I got about 3 episodes in and just couldn't be bothered watching it any more. Was thinking I should give it another chance but you've confirmed that I shouldn't bother wasting my time. Not sure if it was the acting or the dialogue or both but it just didn't click. |
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Post by PazJohnMitch on Sept 3, 2021 13:33:53 GMT
That's the one. That was some bad tv. I got about 3 episodes in and just couldn't be bothered watching it any more. Was thinking I should give it another chance but you've confirmed that I shouldn't bother wasting my time. Not sure if it was the acting or the dialogue or both but it just didn't click. I didn’t mind it but you are missing nothing by not watching it. |
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Post by neems on Sept 3, 2021 14:54:36 GMT
Generic high fantasy, as you said in the first post, with emphasis on the generic. It certainly didn't convince me that reading all 14 books in the series would be a good investment of my time (unlike, say, the Malazan Empire series, of which I'm currently on book number 15 and still enjoying it). Weirdly, I read 'Gardens of the Moon' (I think) on the basis that it was the second coming and it was absolutely awful. Also, Michael Moorcock would like Elric of Melnibone back. |
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Post by Nanocrystal on Sept 3, 2021 16:11:22 GMT
Generic high fantasy, as you said in the first post, with emphasis on the generic. It certainly didn't convince me that reading all 14 books in the series would be a good investment of my time (unlike, say, the Malazan Empire series, of which I'm currently on book number 15 and still enjoying it). Weirdly, I read 'Gardens of the Moon' (I think) on the basis that it was the second coming and it was absolutely awful. It's definitely the least best Malazan book and a massive barrier to entry for the series. That's pretty universally acknowledged though, and Erikson basically says as much in the preface. Even when the novels get much better (and they do) they're still tough to recommend. But generic they aint. |
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Post by neems on Sept 3, 2021 19:35:25 GMT
Weirdly, I read 'Gardens of the Moon' (I think) on the basis that it was the second coming and it was absolutely awful. It's definitely the least best Malazan book and a massive barrier to entry for the series. That's pretty universally acknowledged though, and Erikson basically says as much in the preface. Even when the novels get much better (and they do) they're still tough to recommend. But generic they aint. Apologies, reading that back it sounds very aggressive. But yeah, I heard such amazing things about it and was disappointed. You aren't the first person I've heard say it gets (much) better, but I can't be bothered to read through multiple volumes in the hope that it's going to click at some point. To be honest I find modern fantasy pretty unappealing (not that I'm up to date with the latest authors or anything), although I do like Joe Abercrombie. Haven't got round to reading his latest yet though. |
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Post by Bill in the rain on Sept 14, 2021 3:05:58 GMT
There is a power inside you!
The only thing that matters is what you do!
There's no turning back!
I'm hoping it's just the lines that they picked for the trailer that are super generic, and that the actual show has a bit more going on. The budget looks good, but they appear to have spent most of it on recreating LotR shot for shot. (Gondor! Climbing over rocks!)
The books weren't bad for the first few, but they stalled out so badly and I gave up after about number 10. By the time they got someone in to actually finish it I'd forgotten most of what had happened and so I never did finish them.
i also didn't make it that far, despite some people who I usually agree with rather liking it.
I read one of the pair of books it was based on recently... it was kinda YA at times, but relatively pacey and fun and I thought it would make a great TV show.
The show didn't seem particularly bad in any area, it just didn't grab me in any way.
The Nevers, on the other hand, did a much better job of historical/fantasy drama.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Sept 14, 2021 3:23:28 GMT
By the time Sanderson finished them, I'd also forgotten most of what happened (particularly the later books). Because life is too short, I read summaries of the ones I'd forgotten, and continued with the Sanderson ones.
They're genuinely a lot better. I've my own minor issues with Sanderson's other series (eg. Stormlight Archives), but he does know how to get a plot moving. And it was good to get an ending for the characters.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Sept 14, 2021 4:00:27 GMT
Yeah. I always planned to do that... but I just never got around to it.
I'd had to resort to plot summaries of previous novels when I read books 9 or 10 anyway, as I'd already started to forget what was going on.
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Post by ToomuchFluffy on Sept 17, 2021 19:43:16 GMT
Why are there so many Darkfriends in this thread?!?
Haha, even Jordan admitted that Crossroads of Twilight was kind of a failed experiment.
Oddly, I really enjoyed The Gathering Storm, but Sanderson eventually lost me somehow and I never finished the last book. Something about the character writing seemed increasingly off.
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Post by Leolian'sBro on Sept 17, 2021 20:16:13 GMT
I burned out on book six. Still good at that point, but the pacing had really slowed (and I’d seen one too many ‘and he just wins’ conclusions for my taste).
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Post by ToomuchFluffy on Sept 18, 2021 18:15:34 GMT
Yeah, that got more annoying the longer it the series went on. At some point I didn't really care about the threat of the Shadow anymore. The Seanchan seemed more of a threat and they were also just more relatable. But the Shadow necessarily lost pretty much every fight or battle.
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Post by zagibu on Sept 18, 2021 18:26:05 GMT
I am used to read through hundreds of rather boring pages to get a few great ones. That is true for a lot of book series I've read. In the Malazan series, about half of the books didn't interest me that much, but the other half were amazing. Same for wheel of time, the first book begins rather slow and generic, but I wouldn't have missed the whole series because of a few hundred pages of boredom.
On the topic of film adaptations of books I've read: I never watch them. I've watched Lord of the Rings, and really regretted it. Never again!
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