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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2021 15:53:35 GMT
Things aren't looking particularly great eh. Could get interesting when the school's go back in a week or two.
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Post by スコットランド on Aug 25, 2021 15:58:50 GMT
Visiting my folks over the bank holiday week. Need to get a train, have to admit i feel a bit apprehensive about it. Getting the earliest train I can, so hopefully it'll be as quiet as possible, unless every other twat has the same idea. Getting some FFP3 masks too, probably makes bollocks all difference but at least I can pretend to be safer. FFP3 makes a huge difference. |
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Post by baihu1983 on Aug 26, 2021 5:05:10 GMT
Sore arm again after my 2nd jab so hopefully that's the only reaction I have for the next couple days
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Post by BigOrkWaaagh on Aug 26, 2021 6:03:00 GMT
My company is the same but no one bothers with that conversation if you’re off sick 3 times. I was asked to put together a spreadsheet that tracked every member of staff's absences and did something obvious if anyone ever got to 3. It occurred to me after I should have put a function in there to always keep mine below 3. |
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Post by baihu1983 on Aug 26, 2021 6:50:23 GMT
My company has it 3 absences or 3% in a rolling year then they should be put forward for a meeting.
The got rid of 6 month verbal warnings after finally realising people would keep going sick till they got the verbal then wait for that to drop off and start all over again.
Covid is still paid and doesn't go towards the 3 or 3% but sounds like that will change later this year once the government change its guidelines again and treat it in par with the flu and so on.
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Post by Reviewer on Aug 26, 2021 8:04:00 GMT
3 times is pretty stupid anyway as it ignores how long you’re off for, doesn’t account for if you have kids which bring every disease possible home with them etc. If it was an issue if you had 5 days or more each time it would make some sense as there could be some other issue there.
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Aug 26, 2021 8:07:32 GMT
I don't think I've ever worked for a company with this 3 times rule! Again, it shows lack of trust.
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Post by Reviewer on Aug 26, 2021 8:09:57 GMT
It’s usually HR plus the highest level of management and those that think they’re important that care about it at mine. My boss couldn’t care less and ignores it. It’s supposed to be about welfare and making sure there are no other issues that the company needs to be aware of and help with.
In reality it is a lack of trust.
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Post by Onny on Aug 26, 2021 8:10:49 GMT
So it’s finally hit my household; my son had a temperature and then a positive LFT on Sunday so we all went for PCRs. Results were that my wife and daughter also had it - but I’m still negative.
I had to field the track and trace call for my son - it was amazing. Terrible call quality, and asking questions like “has he been at work in the last week?”. I mean, I’m all for sending kids down t’pit but..
Weirdly the rules say that I don’t have to self isolate (as I’ve had both jabs) but it feels like a dumb decision to leave the house. Luckily (?) I had leave booked this week anyway so it’s not an issue, but next week will be interesting..
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Post by simple on Aug 26, 2021 8:15:56 GMT
My work has stopped reporting a weekly summary of staff and student cases. Looks like they’re not slowing down with everyone back next month and even students from red list nationals are expected to be travelling and on campus for the start of term. Its pretty much the standard expectation across the whole sector.
Unis are going to be total breeding grounds for variants this autumn.
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Post by Lizard on Aug 26, 2021 8:58:02 GMT
I don't think I've ever worked for a company with this 3 times rule! Again, it shows lack of trust. After reading through recent posts I feel very privileged to work somewhere with essentially unlimited sick leave and trusting management. I thought that the 'three instances and a verbal warning' type of sick leave was the preserve of retail work. Seems not. The pandemic has really shown how important reasonable sick leave policies are. |
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Post by simple on Aug 26, 2021 9:15:01 GMT
Mine has been great but service need is starting to dictate things as students are fed up and starting to revolt
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Post by PazJohnMitch on Aug 26, 2021 9:48:48 GMT
I don't think I've ever worked for a company with this 3 times rule! Again, it shows lack of trust. After reading through recent posts I feel very privileged to work somewhere with essentially unlimited sick leave and trusting management. I thought that the 'three instances and a verbal warning' type of sick leave was the preserve of retail work. Seems not. The pandemic has really shown how important reasonable sick leave policies are. Have you ever had 3 instances of sickness in a year? I haven’t in over 15 years working here, so I have never had the chat. I was surprised to find out it was a thing here when a colleague (with 2 small kids) told me about it. |
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Post by Lizard on Aug 26, 2021 10:07:06 GMT
After reading through recent posts I feel very privileged to work somewhere with essentially unlimited sick leave and trusting management. I thought that the 'three instances and a verbal warning' type of sick leave was the preserve of retail work. Seems not. The pandemic has really shown how important reasonable sick leave policies are. Have you ever had 3 instances of sickness in a year? I haven’t in over 15 years working here, so I have never had the chat. I was surprised to find out it was a thing here when a colleague (with 2 small kids) told me about it. When I worked in retail I was sick fuckloads thanks to the unwashed masses. And I almost never took time off back then because of how much you were discouraged. |
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Post by nazo on Aug 26, 2021 11:07:09 GMT
Japan's vaccine rollout sounds a bit fucked up. According to my friend they've split their 2 vaccine types with Pfizer allocated to public clinics and Moderna going to big employers who then organize vaccinations for their employees. So if you work at one these companies you get to be first in line.
She's happy though because one of the companies in her area has a surplus so is giving them out to local residents, otherwise she probably wouldn't have got it this year.
I think Boris missed a trick here, they could have allocated the cheapo AZ vaccine to the NHS and then the others to private health insurers etc.
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Post by BigOrkWaaagh on Aug 26, 2021 11:15:33 GMT
3 times is pretty stupid anyway as it ignores how long you’re off for, doesn’t account for if you have kids which bring every disease possible home with them etc. If it was an issue if you had 5 days or more each time it would make some sense as there could be some other issue there. Ours is 3 instances and 10 days over those 3. I work in a school BTW. So if you would be off for one day you might as well take three days off. |
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Post by Dougs on Aug 26, 2021 11:32:14 GMT
It's fucked up how little support there is for school workers. Everyone is encouraged to come in at death's door. I've had to stop my wife from driving to work when she could barely walk. It's ridiculous.
I'm lucky that it's 6 months full pay, don't think there's a limit on number of absences etc. I'm rarely sick (maybe 3 or 4 migraines a year) but useful to know it's there if needed. Plus being able to WFH if under the weather massively helps.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Aug 26, 2021 11:38:59 GMT
I don't think I've ever worked for a company with this 3 times rule! Again, it shows lack of trust. After reading through recent posts I feel very privileged to work somewhere with essentially unlimited sick leave and trusting management. I thought that the 'three instances and a verbal warning' type of sick leave was the preserve of retail work. Seems not. The pandemic has really shown how important reasonable sick leave policies are. When I worked in civil service it was a verbal warning if you had sickness that linked to another a year apart. That was something else. I was given one a week before my resignation end date by a colleague, well a cunt, who was acting up and gave me a verbal warning because my last sickness was a year apart by a day, in the flu period when everyone is generally sick. It was at her discretion but she felt she had no choice, this coming from someone who was always on her personal phone calling her daughter and regularly took off sick days to do personal shit but never had any disciplinary because she was BEZZA mates with the department boss. Great times. |
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Post by simple on Aug 26, 2021 11:48:14 GMT
I’ve only worked in the public sector and higher education for my proper jobs and every local authority and university I’ve been at has had some kind of sickness trigger system.
Not so much as a warning - although it will catch some skivvers - but more as a wellbeing monitoring process and way of identifying potentially problematic areas within the organisation.
I’d assumed it was standard HR practice in any large employer even if the staff aren’t really aware its happening.
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Post by TheSaint on Aug 26, 2021 11:53:35 GMT
After reading through recent posts I feel very privileged to work somewhere with essentially unlimited sick leave and trusting management. I thought that the 'three instances and a verbal warning' type of sick leave was the preserve of retail work. Seems not. The pandemic has really shown how important reasonable sick leave policies are. When I worked in civil service it was a verbal warning if you had sickness that linked to another a year apart. That was something else. I was given one a week before my resignation end date by a colleague, well a cunt, who was acting up and gave me a verbal warning because my last sickness was a year apart by a day, in the flu period when everyone is generally sick. It was at her discretion but she felt she had no choice, this coming from someone who was always on her personal phone calling her daughter and regularly took off sick days to do personal shit but never had any disciplinary because she was BEZZA mates with the department boss. Great times. At least you're not still bitter about it. |
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Post by knighty on Aug 26, 2021 11:56:39 GMT
The Bradford factor is often used to mitigate 1 long period vs many small period. Something like total number of absences multiplied by the total duration in days. On the basis that many small unplanned absences are more harmful than 1 long genuine one.
In schools it’s unlimited in theory (at least my wife’s is, I think), but teachers are such damned martyrs that they’d go in missing an arm if the could.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Aug 26, 2021 12:04:49 GMT
When I worked in civil service it was a verbal warning if you had sickness that linked to another a year apart. That was something else. I was given one a week before my resignation end date by a colleague, well a cunt, who was acting up and gave me a verbal warning because my last sickness was a year apart by a day, in the flu period when everyone is generally sick. It was at her discretion but she felt she had no choice, this coming from someone who was always on her personal phone calling her daughter and regularly took off sick days to do personal shit but never had any disciplinary because she was BEZZA mates with the department boss. Great times. At least you're not still bitter about it. Ha,I'm really not. Really. |
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Post by richardiox on Aug 26, 2021 12:08:27 GMT
My company is the same but no one bothers with that conversation if you’re off sick 3 times. I was asked to put together a spreadsheet that tracked every member of staff's absences and did something obvious if anyone ever got to 3. It occurred to me after I should have put a function in there to always keep mine below 3. In a previous job we all got called to a big HR meeting to get in effect a group bollocking. The HR department had run a load of stats and basically the manager starting lecturing us that 40% of absences were either side of the weekend, Mon or Fri. Ten minutes in to this bollocks I pointed out that statistically that makes perfect sense. 5 working days, 20% per day, so Monday and Friday should quite rightly make up 40% of all sick days. The confrontational tone they took was soon dropped and it all felt a bit awkward. |
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Post by TheSaint on Aug 26, 2021 12:19:01 GMT
The Bradford factor is often used to mitigate 1 long period vs many small period. Something like total number of absences multiplied by the total duration in days. On the basis that many small unplanned absences are more harmful than 1 long genuine one. In schools it’s unlimited in theory (at least my wife’s is, I think), but teachers are such damned martyrs that they’d go in missing an arm if the could. I think it's the cumulative nature of the work that puts them off as supply teachers are basically glorified babysitters. Not to mention that schools are so under staffed that they know being off causes a massive impact on their colleagues. |
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Post by TheSaint on Aug 26, 2021 12:20:56 GMT
Ten minutes in to this bollocks I pointed out that statistically that makes perfect sense. 5 working days, 20% per day, so Monday and Friday should quite rightly make up 40% of all sick days. The confrontational tone they took was soon dropped and it all felt a bit awkward. ...and then everyone stood up and applauded. |
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Post by Youthist on Aug 26, 2021 12:31:23 GMT
Things aren't looking particularly great eh. Could get interesting when the school's go back in a week or two. Mentally I am still going with the "hoping this is just natural ebb and flow" of Covid that some experts have been talking about. Looking at India again the thing just died off a cliff then has remained flat. Having said that, Israei has gone mental - but I dont think they experienced Delta before it started to take hold in June. India and us have sort of been hit already by that first wave of it. So yeah possibly bullshit but I would like to think / hope we float around 30k to 40k infections per day with around 100 deaths per day with current restriction levels. It will somewhat spike with kids going back but that wont lead to higher deaths / hospitalisations (glass half full). |
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Post by PazJohnMitch on Aug 26, 2021 13:01:29 GMT
Based on discussions with Indian clients they have generally spent less time working from home than us but they are also more rigorously adhering to social distancing and other Government guidelines than we are. They also still have limitations on regional travel as well as international.
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Post by PazJohnMitch on Aug 26, 2021 13:02:50 GMT
Based on discussions with Indian clients they have generally spent less time working from home than us but they are also more rigorously adhering to social distancing and other Government guidelines than we are. They also still have limitations on regional travel as well as international. Note I last talked to them about 6 weeks ago. So it might have changed since then. |
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Post by PazJohnMitch on Aug 26, 2021 13:03:35 GMT
Was supposed to edit not quote myself.
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Post by baihu1983 on Aug 26, 2021 13:19:59 GMT
Ours is based mainly on how many days someone works. So a full timer can have 2 weeks off before reaching 3%
I have a colleague who works 2 days so she's only allowed 4 days off before reaching 3%. It's up to the manager in the end if they put it forward for a further meeting.
Up until recently it wasn't required for colleagues to show proof they had to isolate.
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