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Post by khanivor on Jan 12, 2022 14:40:50 GMT
Doommongers can't type anything negative without being jumped on, happy clappers can't post anything positive without being jumped on. It's almost as if there should me a middle ground where we accept that omicron is weaker and killing many fewer people but acknowledging the negative effects of huge chunks of the population being "mildly" sick and that we don't know how future variants will be yet. There’s no requirement to qualify the legitimacy of a person’s feelings on news. People can post happy stuff, people can post depressing crap, people can post stuff that’s a bit of both. What doesn’t help is folks deciding that they don’t want to hear the stuff they don’t want to hear AND then criticize people’s intentions when they post such stuff. Maybe if the editorializing ceased it would be a less stressful thread?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 14:41:46 GMT
Mask wearing is law and people are working from home while the booster jab rollout is ongoing.
What would you suggest we do extra? Close everything down again?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 14:52:08 GMT
Fuck’s sake; I’m agreeing with Ecosse now. End times Just want to highlight what the real tragedy of this whole pandemic is...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 14:53:08 GMT
And let's not forget that the most at risk categories had their boosters months ago so protection is now starting to fade.
So do we lock everything down again, and start getting a 4th jab out to them? Once that's done everyone else will be waning. So we better start giving them a 4th too. Uh oh now the elderly need a 5th. Better lockdown again until that's done.
Or do we let this massively less lethal variant run through the population and build up huge levels of immunity.
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Post by technoish on Jan 12, 2022 14:54:18 GMT
I find it much harder now to get good / easily accessible science reporting on this now, so am tending to just be fairly risk averse in my personal doings (never go to office, wouldn't dream of going to cinema / a rave with Wayne), and then once in a while revert to opposite and think, ah what the hell, now Xmas is done, fuckit (to clarify, I think it, I still don't do it . The acceptable deaths questions I think can present a bit of an inherent moral quandary based on how you approach it - as if any death from a disease for which we have medicines or preventative approaches is "acceptable". Flu deaths a year in UK fluctuate, but 25k would be "normal" (or is that "acceptable"?) That could include 100 kids under 5. Considering we have targeted flu vaccinations, if it turns out we have a similar number of covid deaths post vaccination / regular boosters / annual strain update would that be "OK"? Fuck if I know.
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Post by cubby on Jan 12, 2022 14:55:10 GMT
Well don't play down that the boosters have helped make omicron less deadly
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Post by khanivor on Jan 12, 2022 14:57:25 GMT
Yeah other than wearing masks in places, which for a long time was more of a personal choice than an enforcement, I haven't actually been restricted from doing anything I wouldn't have done before covid since Freedom Day. My experience here of the pandemic is, somewhat ironically, a lot less restrictive then I’m guessing any of the rest of you. Especially folks back in the UK. Other than the initial lockdowns, masking and social distancing plus certain venues being closed for a few additional months has pretty much been the only tangible restrictions on life. It’s the intangible stuff, the complete lack of care and concern for other people, the willful endangering of lives because ‘Idonwanna!’ the removal of the last remaining support structures the middle of last year and the ever present knowledge that the extent of the catastrophe was wholly avoidable, if only this nation was a hundredth as exceptional as it wants to believe it is. All this destruction and death because some people worship their investments more than even their own fucking children That takes a toll. Removing oneself from the media and socials only goes so far; not watching the weather might reduce your fear about the bad storms and whether there’ll be a tornado but, well, you can hear, feel and see the fucking storms outside and you’re flying blind if that tornado does appear. Even after this is all over, it’s going to be real hard to forget the sociopathy that evidently around 40% or so of the population has kept hidden till 2020
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Jan 12, 2022 14:58:34 GMT
We're long beyond the point where we can do anything meaningful now, anyway short of locking ourselves away forever. The real solution to dealing with waves of infection in the long term, once vaccinations had been rolled out, would be consistent personal responsibility of basic social and hygiene methods. But obviously we just had to politicize the shit out of things that should come as basic common sense. So that horse has bolted.
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Post by 😎 on Jan 12, 2022 15:14:39 GMT
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Post by スコットランド on Jan 12, 2022 15:15:19 GMT
Mask wearing is law and people are working from home while the booster jab rollout is ongoing. What would you suggest we do extra? Close everything down again? There are lots of things that were done previously such as - Require a negative test to enter the country.
- Table Service only in pubs/restaurants
- Facemasks in schools
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Post by TheSaint on Jan 12, 2022 15:17:53 GMT
Not everything is about lockdowns. I mean for a start ventilation has proven to be incredibly important so we could legislate for improved ventilation in all public buildings. Improved ventilation in schools and other busy places would probably have a massive impact on health long past this pandemic.
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Post by スコットランド on Jan 12, 2022 15:20:31 GMT
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Post by elstoof on Jan 12, 2022 15:21:08 GMT
Isn’t Kaiser Permanente a South African soccer team
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Post by Youthist on Jan 12, 2022 15:21:45 GMT
Another link - look guys!
1. Facemasks are already in schools. 2. Negative Tests to come here - what does that do now its here? 3. Table Service kills peoples livelihoods and further damages the economy and jobs.
The health service in this country isn't being overrun at the moment with the current restrictions. Everyone who can get boosted has been offered it and / or been boosted. So why exactly impose more restrictions IF that remains the case (and that to be clear is an if)? To what end?
The rest is noise.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jan 12, 2022 15:22:45 GMT
Mask wearing is law and people are working from home while the booster jab rollout is ongoing. What would you suggest we do extra? Close everything down again? I mean, its not binary and granular restrictions/protections could be introduced (and probably should have been a while ago). The majority of the country could probably get away with common sense but guidance and support for the elderly and vulnerable probably wouldnt go amiss. Income support or remote working mandates for clinically vulnerable, testing regimens for frontline workers, ventilation grants for schools and workplaces... I dunno. It does feel like that, yes, we can probably get away with The Swedish Method for most people but at the same time we do need to support the most vulnerable.
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Post by スコットランド on Jan 12, 2022 15:25:07 GMT
Another link - look guys! 1. Facemasks are already in schools. 2. Negative Tests to come here - what does that do now its here? 3. Table Service kills peoples livelihoods and further damages the economy and jobs. The health service in this country isn't being overrun at the moment with the current restrictions. Everyone who can get boosted has been offered it and / or been boosted. So why exactly impose more restrictions IF that remains the case (and that to be clear is an if)? To what end? The rest is noise. 1. They're not used in classrooms where spread is most likely 2. Limits additional transmission 3. I'm amazed mainland Europe has a hospital sector left.
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Post by スコットランド on Jan 12, 2022 15:27:21 GMT
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Post by Youthist on Jan 12, 2022 15:30:34 GMT
Another link - look guys! 1. Facemasks are already in schools. 2. Negative Tests to come here - what does that do now its here? 3. Table Service kills peoples livelihoods and further damages the economy and jobs. The health service in this country isn't being overrun at the moment with the current restrictions. Everyone who can get boosted has been offered it and / or been boosted. So why exactly impose more restrictions IF that remains the case (and that to be clear is an if)? To what end? The rest is noise. 1. They're not used in classrooms where spread is most likely >> yes they are 2. Limits additional transmission >> no it doesn't 3. I'm amazed mainland Europe has a hospital sector left. >> If it was up to you, it wouldn't have are we done yet?
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Post by imamazed on Jan 12, 2022 15:31:57 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 15:36:37 GMT
I'll say it clearly because you seem to be struggling to comprehend the situation here. Everyone. Is. Going. To. Get. Covid. Multiple times. It's not going anywhere. Any restrictions are simply to stop health systems being overwhelmed. Long covid has absolutely nothing to do with anything.
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Post by cubby on Jan 12, 2022 15:47:14 GMT
Well they will with that attitude!
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Post by スコットランド on Jan 12, 2022 15:54:54 GMT
Yes, everyone will get Covid eventually, yes. Personally I'm hoping that I'll get it when it's in proper weak sauce mode, I'm in no rush.
We still don't know if long covid is better or worse under omicron as it's too early. It may or may not have a significant load on the health system so I'm not convinced that wanting everyone infected ASAP is ideal.
Absolutely no reaction to the soaring hospitalisation rates for kids from the happy clappers?
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Post by スコットランド on Jan 12, 2022 15:57:02 GMT
1. They're not used in classrooms where spread is most likely >> yes they are Only in secondary schools from a week ago. 2. Limits additional transmission >> no it doesn't Yes it does 3. I'm amazed mainland Europe has a hospital sector left. >> If it was up to you, it wouldn't have Wibble wibble are we done yet? Yes, I'm getting bored...
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Post by 😎 on Jan 12, 2022 15:58:19 GMT
No one “wants” everyone to get infected. There are additional measures being put in place, but continuing supply chain issues and economical factors limit the realistic options most countries have.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 15:59:44 GMT
Yes, everyone will get Covid eventually, yes. Personally I'm hoping that I'll get it when it's in proper weak sauce mode, I'm in no rush. We still don't know if long covid is better or worse under omicron as it's too early. It may or may not have a significant load on the health system so I'm not convinced that wanting everyone infected ASAP is ideal. Absolutely no reaction to the soaring hospitalisation rates for kids from the happy clappers? No one's happy about the situation you fucking cretin. But what is the alternative?
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Post by Youthist on Jan 12, 2022 16:01:51 GMT
Yes, everyone will get Covid eventually, yes. Personally I'm hoping that I'll get it when it's in proper weak sauce mode, I'm in no rush. We still don't know if long covid is better or worse under omicron as it's too early. It may or may not have a significant load on the health system so I'm not convinced that wanting everyone infected ASAP is ideal. Absolutely no reaction to the soaring hospitalisation rates for kids from the happy clappers? Tell us your expert analysis of what those stats mean, you are clearly an expert in the field and understand the huge complexity and nuance that needs to be considered from such data. Oh you haven’t a clue? Gotcha.
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Post by 111 on Jan 12, 2022 16:02:09 GMT
Maybe if the editorializing ceased it would be a less stressful thread? Quite. Half the disagreements (admittedly only half) in this thread seem to stem less from people disagreeing with what's actually been said, and more from some perceived motive behind it. I mean the latest 24hrs of back-and-for seems to have been kicked off by Youthist saying "We are in the death throes of this thing it would seem like. And if that proves to be the case will be highly pleasing." I find it hard to see how objectionable it can be to say we "seem" to be coming to the end, and that "if" that's true it will be pleasing. But instead people take it as some frothing freedum fighter yelling for masks to be ripped off.
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Post by 111 on Jan 12, 2022 16:08:36 GMT
Absolutely no reaction to the soaring hospitalisation rates for kids from the happy clappers? You do realise most people are capable of being simultaneously happy about some things and sad about others?
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Post by スコットランド on Jan 12, 2022 16:08:59 GMT
Yes, everyone will get Covid eventually, yes. Personally I'm hoping that I'll get it when it's in proper weak sauce mode, I'm in no rush. We still don't know if long covid is better or worse under omicron as it's too early. It may or may not have a significant load on the health system so I'm not convinced that wanting everyone infected ASAP is ideal. Absolutely no reaction to the soaring hospitalisation rates for kids from the happy clappers? No one's happy about the situation you fucking cretin. But what is the alternative? No need for insults.
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Post by cubby on Jan 12, 2022 16:12:10 GMT
No one's happy about the situation you fucking cretin. So we just let Decks say shit like this?
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