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Post by elstoof on Jan 12, 2022 9:46:29 GMT
At least we can all agree that Djokovic is an absolute cockwomble. It’s important to recognise that Djokovic is the real victim in the whole saga
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Post by elstoof on Jan 12, 2022 9:50:48 GMT
He was under real pressure to do the Equipe interview, you can’t just let people down like that. The agent filling his forms in wrong isn’t his fault, he didn’t technically lie you can’t put any personal blame on him. I just feel so bad for the guy
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Post by 111 on Jan 12, 2022 9:54:27 GMT
There's a difference between a) "I am worried about the possibility of X" and b) "We should be all be worried about the possibility of X and if you're not you're a danger to public health".
A lot of the posts that get criticised as "doom-mongering" are because they come across as b, and then the poster is offended because they say it was a.
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Post by Dgzter on Jan 12, 2022 10:01:07 GMT
He was under real pressure to do the Equipe interview, you can’t just let people down like that. The agent filling his forms in wrong isn’t his fault, he didn’t technically lie you can’t put any personal blame on him. I just feel so bad for the guy Djokovic's maw said he'd been tortured too. I mean, you wouldn't say that unless it's completely true. Poor guy.
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Post by elstoof on Jan 12, 2022 10:04:24 GMT
Only a true hero would go and play tennis with kids on the streets of Belgrade knowing full well you could be put in prison for 3 years for breaking isolation laws
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Jan 12, 2022 10:07:19 GMT
I think it's more having been lead down this path before and it leading to more misery than genuinely wanting it to carry on. It's understandable people are a bit apprehensive after we've been told constantly "The worst will be over by X" and instead of it being over, being given a dog shit sandwich even after making as many sacrifices as we have.
I'm very much in the optimistic camp and do think we're probably nearer the endgame but I'm also under no illusions that I'm in a quite privileged position. Even if the worst is over, these ridiculous infection numbers are still ballsing a lot of people's lives and livelihoods up while we burn through it.
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Post by elstoof on Jan 12, 2022 10:14:11 GMT
It’s just pointless, analysing stats is a waste of energy unless you’re paid to make decisions based on it. If I’ve learned anything over the last two years it’s that time is even more scarce than I previously realised, getting upset because more people are in hospital than yesterday isn’t helping me or anyone else
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Post by Youthist on Jan 12, 2022 11:50:47 GMT
Imagine reading Khanis posts last night where he is clearly worried and telling us about how things are for him and in his locality/country where there are categorically record numbers of hospitalisations (still rising too) and wider societal effects and then coming back with: "It is unreal the level some are going to on here to keep banging the “it’s all fucked” drum whenever things are shown to be improving. Now that mentality isn’t a good one" Imagine doing that. How are things improving in the situation he described? Totally out of order and actually quite horrible. To be crystal clear my comment / language used on the above post was just playing the opposite of what Ecosse had said on his post a few up, using his language to make the point about how entrenched the two positions are on here. It was not at any stage directed at Khani or his specific situation, if it reads like that during the flow of the conversation over the last few pages then of course that is not the intent, so direct apologies Khani it does come across like that.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jan 12, 2022 12:01:28 GMT
I'm very much in the optimistic camp and do think we're probably nearer the endgame Im in the middle ground in that I think the worst is over but that it will be a lingering pain in the arse for years.
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Post by dfunked on Jan 12, 2022 12:05:10 GMT
joe Middleclass Yeah, I was quite firmly in the "doom and gloom we're all fucking fucked!" camp, but stepped away from the news and this thread for a bit and got my head in a slightly healthier place. I seem to have ended up in the same camp.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Jan 12, 2022 12:06:41 GMT
You will probably be right in the end. Seems from the leaks we're going to at least try the 'suck it and see' method to begin with. Just have to hope any future variants are more Omicron than Delta.
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Post by Psychotext on Jan 12, 2022 12:16:00 GMT
I think we've largely been conditioned to accept a baseline number of deaths. Further "failure" will only be judged against last winter (which was frankly criminal), so we'll accept anything else as success.
It is what it is. I think we're looking at at least another six months before we see any sort of normality though (assuming no eye-melting new variant).
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Post by Dougs on Jan 12, 2022 12:47:19 GMT
The next booster jab will probably be in Aug/Sept, which will then become an annual thing imo.
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Post by 😎 on Jan 12, 2022 12:58:50 GMT
I'm very much in the optimistic camp and do think we're probably nearer the endgame Im in the middle ground in that I think the worst is over but that it will be a lingering pain in the arse for years. Pretty much, yeah. And fwiw I don’t think anyone’s explicitly said “no negativity” anywhere. Khani’s post is a good example of some personal experiences where he could do with some support, which is fine. It was the nearly unending “here are some random stats. THEY ARE BAD” stuff that got to people. Focusing on the macro/personal level is something we can actually discuss and support each other on. “Guys look at these fifty tweets saying we’re all fucked” has almost no intrinsic value here.
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Post by cubby on Jan 12, 2022 13:17:03 GMT
Pretty much, yeah. And fwiw I don’t think anyone’s explicitly said “no negativity” anywhere. Fairly sure [redacted] has said that on multiple occasions. Also that this thread needs locking etc.
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Post by 😎 on Jan 12, 2022 13:21:11 GMT
The rest of my post gives some context and clarification there. Maybe that sentiment hasn’t always been expressed clearly though.
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Post by jimnastics on Jan 12, 2022 13:24:12 GMT
The next booster jab will probably be in Aug/Sept, which will then become an annual thing imo. Anyone know if it's techincally possible for them to combine the Covid booster / jab with the flu jab? So an all-in-one shot? That would make it far less of a big deal for many people, both psychologically and practically.
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Post by cubby on Jan 12, 2022 13:25:50 GMT
Just giving some push-back on those declarative statements.
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Post by KD on Jan 12, 2022 13:35:34 GMT
People stopped arguing over numbers which is nice, when it all goes a bit numberwang and a few argue over the minutiae of a gnats arse it gets a bit old.
I told the people I go out monthly with I'd avoid Dec to Feb and hang out more with my grandparents while they still around (and I had a girl over for Xmas a year late but not alone again for it), had no hope for winter and just hoping spring and summer is when I get to have some fun again because I really need it.
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Post by 111 on Jan 12, 2022 13:55:00 GMT
I think we're looking at at least another six months before we see any sort of normality though (assuming no eye-melting new variant). I guess it's all perspective but I'd argue "any sort of normality" was reached ages ago, let alone still being six months away. Is everyday life completely "normal"? No - e.g. WFH where possible, but if pre-pandemic life is one end of a scale and lockdown is the other end, life has been a lot closer to the former than the latter for ages now.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Jan 12, 2022 13:59:14 GMT
Yeah other than wearing masks in places, which for a long time was more of a personal choice than an enforcement, I haven't actually been restricted from doing anything I wouldn't have done before covid since Freedom Day.
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Post by Psychotext on Jan 12, 2022 13:59:18 GMT
I guess it's all perspective but I'd argue "any sort of normality" was reached ages ago, let alone still being six months away. Is everyday life completely "normal"? No - e.g. WFH where possible, but if pre-pandemic life is one end of a scale and lockdown is the other end, life has been a lot closer to the former than the latter for ages now. My life looks nothing like it normally does. Can't travel like I used to, can't meet up with a lot of the people I used to (due to some of them being vulnerable), cinema trips aren't as chilled as they used to be (mask wearing / spacing rules). My wife is at home continually vs usually only seeing her on the weekends. Many of the mass gatherings I used to attend still aren't going ahead. Can't use bothies as they're all locked down, so some of the outdoor stuff is still off the table... etc etc etc. Looooong way from normality in my world. Edit - I should note that I live in Wales, and we've had consistently stronger measures than England. But that doesn't change events being cancelled in Italy, not being able to get into Japan etc.
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Post by dogbot on Jan 12, 2022 14:00:44 GMT
Yeah other than wearing masks in places, which for a long time was more of a personal choice than an enforcement, I haven't actually been restricted from doing anything I wouldn't have done before covid since Freedom Day. Yeah, pretty much the same here. I'm still WFH, but it's by choice now. Other than that, stuff is pretty much as before, with some added masks and sanitiser.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 14:01:22 GMT
I think we've largely been conditioned to accept a baseline number of deaths. Further "failure" will only be judged against last winter (which was frankly criminal), so we'll accept anything else as success. It is what it is. I think we're looking at at least another six months before we see any sort of normality though (assuming no eye-melting new variant). So say we didn't accept that people were going to die during a pandemic what would the plan be? I see a lot of people saying "what so we've just give up then? We're just lettin lg people die?" What is your alternative.
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Post by Psychotext on Jan 12, 2022 14:07:50 GMT
So say we didn't accept that people were going to die during a pandemic what would the plan be? I see a lot of people saying "what so we've just give up then? We're just lettin lg people die?" What is your alternative. I'm not a politician, I can disagree with the way things are being handled without having to offer alternatives, it's such a piss poor basis for a discussion. There are plenty of professionals offering different ways things could have been handled (improvements in public health capacity, ventilation standards, hygiene education, providing masks to the general public): www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32007-9/fulltext
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 14:22:46 GMT
Apologies, I thought with you going out of your way to counterpoint every single piece of positive news for the last several months you must have had a number of problems with our current response. And some ideas with how we should be doing things differently. Otherwise it's just posting stuff trying to scare people.
And yes there are a number of ways to delay the spread, but since as many predicted the health service seems in no danger of collapse there's little point. You're just kicking the can down the street.
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Post by 111 on Jan 12, 2022 14:30:01 GMT
I'm not a politician, I can disagree with the way things are being handled without having to offer alternatives, it's such a piss poor basis for a discussion. No it isn't - disagreeing with something generally means thinking there are better alternatives. As you've proved in the same post by providing examples of what you think those might be.
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Post by khanivor on Jan 12, 2022 14:32:19 GMT
Fuck’s sake; I’m agreeing with Ecosse now.
End times
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Post by スコットランド on Jan 12, 2022 14:39:48 GMT
Apologies, I thought with you going out of your way to counterpoint every single piece of positive news for the last several months you must have had a number of problems with our current response. And some ideas with how we should be doing things differently. Otherwise it's just posting stuff trying to scare people. And yes there are a number of ways to delay the spread, but since as many predicted the health service seems in no danger of collapse there's little point. You're just kicking the can down the street. So you have millions of people in the UK (never mind other countries) without booster jabs and there's no point in trying to slow down spread till to allow as many people as possible to get protection?
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Post by スコットランド on Jan 12, 2022 14:40:44 GMT
Fuck’s sake; I’m agreeing with Ecosse now. End times It's a slippery slope now...
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