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Post by スコットランド on Jan 12, 2022 16:20:18 GMT
Absolutely no reaction to the soaring hospitalisation rates for kids from the happy clappers? You do realise most people are capable of being simultaneously happy about some things and sad about others? Of course, I was just pointing out that maybe not everything is as rosy with omicron as some would like to believe.
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Post by Youthist on Jan 12, 2022 16:24:26 GMT
I think you are struggling to understand basic words at this point.
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Post by スコットランド on Jan 12, 2022 16:25:56 GMT
No one “wants” everyone to get infected. There are additional measures being put in place, but continuing supply chain issues and economical factors limit the realistic options most countries have. Out of interest, which options would you say are unrealistic due to economic factors or supply chain issues? Just curious.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 16:26:28 GMT
No one's happy about the situation you fucking cretin. So we just let Decks say shit like this? It would appear so. In the same way we let Ecosse say we must be delighted with kids being in hospital.
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Post by スコットランド on Jan 12, 2022 16:26:50 GMT
I think you are struggling to understand basic words at this point.
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Post by スコットランド on Jan 12, 2022 16:30:22 GMT
So we just let Decks say shit like this? It would appear so. In the same way we let Ecosse say we must be delighted with kids being in hospital. That was poorly worded, I apologise.
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Post by 😎 on Jan 12, 2022 16:31:40 GMT
Lockdowns, even limited, are economically unviable for most places. More rapid and expanded testing - there’s a shortage of actual testing equipment and increased demand from labs leading to extra latency. Limiting travel - economical impact and mostly moot by this stage. More vaccine mandates - Politically contentious, for most countries will take too long to be implemented to protect against this current wave, although still worth doing. Aggressive mask distribution - while changing advice about which masks to wear is sound and worthwhile, obtaining proper N95 (or the local equivalent) equipment is starting to be a challenge again, and we have the double whammy of products labeled as compliant when they actually aren’t.
Education and outreach are about the best immediate options but they can’t help people who don’t help themselves.
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Post by Reviewer on Jan 12, 2022 16:47:29 GMT
I think a few people need a break from the thread.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jan 12, 2022 16:47:49 GMT
Lockdowns, even limited, are economically unviable for most places. Deadly, even. They gave up on them in SA pretty quickly as people were literally starving.
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Post by 111 on Jan 12, 2022 16:48:25 GMT
Why are you trying to twist people who are saying "restrictions will have no impact on x" into having said "I don't care about people being affected by x"? And then acting sanctimonious when someone responds to the accusation of not caring by using *heaven forfends* a mean word?
It's like shitting through someone's letterbox and then getting all offended because they called you a rapscallion as you ran off.
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Post by khanivor on Jan 12, 2022 16:48:57 GMT
I don’t buy the economically unviable argument. There’s plenty of money.
Problem is, the vast majority of it has found itself hovered up by big corporations and pop-up companies ‘run’ by the well connected.
Plenty money to pay everyone to sit at home for a few weeks with a bunch of booze and steaks and free subscriptions to Netflix and Pornhub HD. IF you don’t spend billions cushioning the impact felt by a few hundred multi millionaires and billionaires
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Post by Reviewer on Jan 12, 2022 16:52:24 GMT
The biggest economic issue with any restrictions is the cost of adapting - some businesses are no longer viable if everyone is WFH, for instance. It’s not necessarily a bad thing overall long term but there is a significant short term hit which is going to have a huge effect on peoples lives.
Is that worse than getting a virus which at this stage appears to be very mild for 99.9% of people.
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Post by 😎 on Jan 12, 2022 16:52:50 GMT
“Unrealistic” then. Plus to have that kind of budget arrangement at a governmental level would take weeks, if not months, of dealing with partisan gridlock. The money may potentially be there but the path to get it out isn’t, so it isn’t going to happen, as much as we’d like it to.
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Post by 111 on Jan 12, 2022 16:56:55 GMT
Plenty money to pay everyone to sit at home for a few weeks What would that achieve? (That's a genuine question - I don't know what the situation is in the US. Like would there be much greater vaccination protection a few weeks down the line?)
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Post by 😎 on Jan 12, 2022 17:00:12 GMT
It could have potentially relieved some stresses on hospitalizations and clinics, but we’re also mostly locked into it by now. The spread has happened, we’re expecting to rapidly peak and then descend. At this stage slowing things is mostly a “what if” scenario, although still worth exploring all avenues.
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Post by khanivor on Jan 12, 2022 17:01:20 GMT
Slow the spread so hospitals and their staff aren’t overwhelmed. Slow the spread so communities and families aren’t overwhelmed.
A national lockdown would be too much. But local ones which focus on areas of concern and coke with financial support for anyone who needs it
I like to think of it as ‘society functioning for the good of the people’
Not so keen on the ‘keep it all going so consumption doesn’t dip too far, thereby hurting projections and bonuses’
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 17:02:55 GMT
Lockdowns saved fuck knows how many lives at the start whirl we waited for vaccines/treatments to become available. They're completely useless now unless it's to stop a health system from collapsing as you're in exactly the same position once you open back up again.
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Post by khanivor on Jan 12, 2022 17:03:12 GMT
It could have potentially relieved some stresses on hospitalizations and clinics, but we’re also mostly locked into it by now. The spread has happened, we’re expecting to rapidly peak and then descend. At this stage slowing things is mostly a “what if” scenario, although still worth exploring all avenues. At this point it is pissing in to the wind. For the fourth fucking time, things are going badly because ‘no one could have predicted that thing that happened three times before could possibly happen again, especially if we don’t do any of the helpful things we did previously’
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 17:03:58 GMT
In fact you're worse off when you consider the most at risk always get the vaccines first so when you open up they have less protection.
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Post by khanivor on Jan 12, 2022 17:05:06 GMT
Lockdowns saved fuck knows how many lives at the start whirl we waited for vaccines/treatments to become available. They're completely useless now unless it's to stop a health system from collapsing as you're in exactly the same position once you open back up again. So The whole flattening the curve was a total lie and all the data showing it’s efficacy fabricated? We have different tools and a different virus, but end of the day, you try to avoid getting drenched regardless of its Pepsi or Coke being thrown at you
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Post by 😎 on Jan 12, 2022 17:08:48 GMT
I agree that more could have been done up front overall but it’s also kind of moot to focus on that side of things, plus it doesn’t really account for the sheer speed at which omicron took hold. It’s arguable that even if we reacted instantly and threw all the measures in the world at it the second it became a verified thing, the impact could have still been negligible.
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Post by TheSaint on Jan 12, 2022 17:13:42 GMT
The biggest economic issue with any restrictions is the cost of adapting - some businesses are no longer viable if everyone is WFH, for instance. It’s not necessarily a bad thing overall long term but there is a significant short term hit which is going to have a huge effect on peoples lives. Is that worse than getting a virus which at this stage appears to be very mild for 99.9% of people. At least they were financially supported during the actual lockdowns. The weird unofficial one we had before Christmas where everyone just stopped going out was the worst of all worlds.
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Post by 111 on Jan 12, 2022 17:18:26 GMT
Maybe if the editorializing ceased it would be a less stressful thread? Quite. Half the disagreements (admittedly only half) in this thread seem to stem less from people disagreeing with what's actually been said, and more from some perceived motive behind it. Another 15% is people "disagreeing" because they're expressing views predicated on the situation in two different countries.
"Things are getting better - look at the hospital numbers." "NO THINGS ARE GOING TO FUCK - LOOK AT THE HOSPITAL NUMBERS."
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 17:20:21 GMT
Lockdowns saved fuck knows how many lives at the start whirl we waited for vaccines/treatments to become available. They're completely useless now unless it's to stop a health system from collapsing as you're in exactly the same position once you open back up again. So The whole flattening the curve was a total lie and all the data showing it’s efficacy fabricated? We have different tools and a different virus, but end of the day, you try to avoid getting drenched regardless of its Pepsi or Coke being thrown at you What? Lockdowns were to stop health systems collapsing. There's no danger of that happening so there's absolutely no point doing them now. Again, everyone is going to catch covid. Nothing is going to stop that.
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Post by スコットランド on Jan 12, 2022 17:35:01 GMT
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Post by 😎 on Jan 12, 2022 17:37:11 GMT
Strained and collapse are two different things. Yes, there’s an extra strain on the health systems but as I’ve kept saying, we have enough planning from the lessons on Delta that it should be weatherable.
US hospitals are generally designed to be able to operate under strain all the time. These are exceptional times but we’re not unprepared.
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Post by Psychotext on Jan 12, 2022 17:40:42 GMT
I think I'm going to leave this thread to the shitshow that it's become.
On the "mental health" stakes, it's clear that a lot of posters here should really make the effort to stay the hell out of a thread that's obviously not good for their anger levels. I may be pessimistic, but I've never been outright hostile to those that don't hold my viewpoints.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 17:42:12 GMT
Isn’t Kaiser Permanente a South African soccer team
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Post by Reviewer on Jan 12, 2022 17:45:00 GMT
Most of the strain on the health service is because of the isolation rules so maybe there are too many restrictions/rules.
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Jan 12, 2022 17:48:45 GMT
Lockdowns, even limited, are economically unviable for most places. Deadly, even. They gave up on them in SA pretty quickly as people were literally starving. Plus you have entire generations of kids whose education is fucked. The impact of missing months and months of school is huge. For some with the constant stop/start they will have lost an entire years syllabus. Not to mention the missed social interaction/development aspects both at schools and universities.
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