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Post by スコットランド on Jan 5, 2022 15:20:44 GMT
They don’t stop working, and I’ve never suggested that “do away with masks” is the right thing to do, but it’s still just a finger in the dam against the current spread, even less so with basic cloth and paper masks which are still the most common in use. If measures won't slow down the spread, explain this graph where the measures in England are completely different from the other home nations.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2022 15:21:44 GMT
Lockdowns are almost completely pointless now unless you're health service is completely decimated. All your doing is delaying the inevitable and you're in exactly the same situation when you open up again. We've all been vaccinated, boosters are ongoing now. We just need to let it go and get through the next few months. None of the data at the moment suggests the health service is going to collapse so we've just got to push on with it.
And by all means wear medical spec masks to help keep pressure off the health system, but unless you plan on wearing them everytime you leave the house for the rest of your life they aren't going to stop you catching it. We're all getting it.
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Post by 😎 on Jan 5, 2022 15:22:18 GMT
It literally says “figures are not comparable between nations” on your graph.
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Post by Dougs on Jan 5, 2022 15:22:21 GMT
How do vaccination rates compare?
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Post by スコットランド on Jan 5, 2022 15:22:23 GMT
Bonus graph
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Post by スコットランド on Jan 5, 2022 15:23:08 GMT
It literally says “figures are not comparable between nations” on your graph. It says the Wales figures may be too high.
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Post by スコットランド on Jan 5, 2022 15:24:57 GMT
How do vaccination rates compare? Location % of population fully vaccinated England 71.2% Scotland 73.8% Wales 73.5% Northern Ireland 68.8%
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Post by 111 on Jan 5, 2022 15:28:20 GMT
What has slowing the spread got to do with long-term health impacts?
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Post by TheSaint on Jan 5, 2022 15:29:30 GMT
All the experts seem to agree that increased restrictions could have been a benefit to the NHS and helped slow/delay the spread if they were bought in before or straight after Christmas. With the case numbers we have now it would be pointless.
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Post by 😎 on Jan 5, 2022 15:31:10 GMT
So that’s the chart for hospitalizations, what does the chart for actual infections per capita look like? Considering this discussion is about preventing long Covid and overall spread and not hospitalization data.
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Post by Reviewer on Jan 5, 2022 15:34:51 GMT
Various measures can slow the spread but it’s only flattening the curve.
I think that’s the point ecosse is trying to make. Nothing to do with long covid.
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Post by 😎 on Jan 5, 2022 15:36:06 GMT
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Post by 111 on Jan 5, 2022 15:36:50 GMT
Various measures can slow the spread but it’s only flattening the curve. I think that’s the point ecosse is trying to make. Nothing to do with long covid. Isn't that a bit like wading into the middle of a debate about the off-side rule to say ACTUALLY I *DO* THINK KICKING SOMEONE IN THE FACE SHOULD BE A RED CARD.
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Post by Reviewer on Jan 5, 2022 15:37:52 GMT
Yes it is.
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Post by 😎 on Jan 5, 2022 15:44:09 GMT
Anyway, overall point is that omicron is going to (or is already, or has already) rip through populations and there’s no immediate preventative action that will slow it drastically enough to finish understanding the ramifications of long covid before it’s run its course, and what, if anything, can be done about it. It’s an unfortunate fact but it’s fundamentally an unsolvable issue right now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2022 15:47:16 GMT
Also promising signs that you're less likely to get any of the weird shit happening like loss of taste with Omicron, symptoms are a lot more like normal cold like coronavirus. Hopefully that transfers over to long covid too.
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Post by 😎 on Jan 5, 2022 15:51:11 GMT
Yeah, I think there’s some optimism that with omicron being less severe and mainly staying in the throat, that certain elements of long Covid may not play as much of a part. Long Covid is kind of a nebulous term anyway.
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Post by Lukus on Jan 5, 2022 15:53:23 GMT
I already feel like I've got long covid most days so I'm very keen to avoid getting that on top. Who needs a social life anyway? 😬
I do kind of feel it is almost inevitable that the majority of people will catch Omicron, assuming it isn't replaced by another strain. With that mindset, I'm happy to defer my catching of it as long as possible. At least then more will be known about the long term issues.
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Jan 5, 2022 15:55:27 GMT
I've noticed my biceps getting bigger and longer harder erections.
Are these side effects documented anywhere?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2022 15:55:35 GMT
I think if you haven't had in by the end of March you'll be in a very small minority.
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Post by cubby on Jan 5, 2022 15:57:29 GMT
I don't want it again now that the isolation period's been shortened. I liked my 10 days off.
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Post by Chopsen on Jan 5, 2022 15:59:11 GMT
Also, wtf has lockdown got to with preventing "long covid"?
All lockdown does is slow down spread. If you're going to get it from the virus, you're going to get it eventually because *everybody* is going to come in to contact the sars-cov-2 eventually. Multiple times probably. Every single person is either one of those weirdly inherently immune types, or they're going to get the virus.
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Post by mrpon on Jan 5, 2022 16:02:09 GMT
Think I'm the former. The GF has had it, her family, my colleague, 4 people in the upstairs office.
C'mon virus, you've had your chances!
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Post by Chopsen on Jan 5, 2022 16:04:39 GMT
While I'm here, Post-COVID-19 syndrome (fuck you "Long COVID" and the twitter you rode in on: that's a stupid term that makes you sound stupid) and raised inflammatory markers: eglj.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s43066-021-00144-1/tables/2A mean CRP of 15.42 is weak sauce for "chronic inflammation". I worked at a hospital that had 15 as the cut-off for being detectable by their lab. The range also goes from 4.5 to 138ish, which I think suggest the mean is being skewed massively.
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Post by TheSaint on Jan 5, 2022 16:10:23 GMT
Think I'm the former. The GF has had it, her family, my colleague, 4 people in the upstairs office. C'mon virus, you've had your chances! This feels like one of those quotes you seen on Twitter followed soon after by something like - 'Two weeks after this post mrpon tragically died of Covid'
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2022 16:10:59 GMT
Think I'm the former. The GF has had it, her family, my colleague, 4 people in the upstairs office. C'mon virus, you've had your chances! Yeah my wife appears to be the same.
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Post by KD on Jan 5, 2022 16:12:17 GMT
Nobody in my immediate family has had it, I haven't even had a cold for 2 years. Know loads who have had it and some who had family die around here so no idea why but can't complain.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2022 16:14:43 GMT
I've noticed my biceps getting bigger and longer harder erections. Are these side effects documented anywhere? I think that just means you've been beating your meat more often than usual, but I can see why you'd get those two confused, Load.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jan 5, 2022 16:19:08 GMT
People rarely talk about the benefits of long covid
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Post by jimnastics on Jan 5, 2022 16:37:26 GMT
Nobody in my immediate family has had it, I haven't even had a cold for 2 years. Know loads who have had it and some who had family die around here so no idea why but can't complain. Just 2 out of 19 in our immediate family have knowingly had it over the past 2 years, that was my sister and bro-in-law in Dec 2020. We've got 10 school-age kids aged from 6-16 in the family, all of whom have been at school as per norm since the end of lockdown in Feb/March 2021. The vast majority of us (certainly all adults) have, however, had a bad cold over the past month, most of us in the build up to or at Christmas. Everyone was constantly doing LFTs but always negative, so who knows.
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