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Post by Dougs on Jan 5, 2022 8:09:02 GMT
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Post by dfunked on Jan 5, 2022 8:09:37 GMT
It's always been opt in for me when I change GP. Definitely agree that it should be opt out by default.
Well that was a successful break from this thread!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2022 8:17:01 GMT
Would like to see the numbers on opting out. Must take a special kind of selfishness to say you don't want anyone to use your left over shit when your dead. It's almost as bad as voting conservative.
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Post by kal on Jan 5, 2022 8:22:30 GMT
This it’s usually religious reasons.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Jan 5, 2022 8:25:07 GMT
But what if ghosts are real and I'm floating around out there without any ghost kidneys?!
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Post by Reviewer on Jan 5, 2022 8:28:24 GMT
The trend tends to be more contagious less severe, so if anything that can out compete omicron comes along it'll be a one sneezer Not an expert but mutations are completely random, applying trends to this is meaningless.
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Post by Reviewer on Jan 5, 2022 8:30:02 GMT
Organ donor is opt out but if there’s a next of kin they still ask permission which is usually when getting the organs is a problem.
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Post by kal on Jan 5, 2022 8:31:14 GMT
Really? I thought they mutation was effectively sped up evolution. They adapt to survive, which in this case means becoming more contagious and less severe. Is that just received wisdom?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2022 8:40:03 GMT
This it’s usually religious reasons. Superstitions shouldn't allow real life ramifications like that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2022 8:41:42 GMT
Whatever has a selection advantage will tend to out-compete those that don't. For Omicron its higher infectivity means it gets a foothold quicker and better than other strains, so becoming the dominant one. Immune evasion would be another possibility though - a strain that cannot be neutralised by existing antibodies or that resists to some degree T-cell immunity. That could provide sufficient selection advantage either to replace Omicron, or perhaps lead to co-infection or recurrent infection.
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Post by cubby on Jan 5, 2022 8:43:23 GMT
The trend tends to be more contagious less severe, so if anything that can out compete omicron comes along it'll be a one sneezer Not an expert but mutations are completely random, applying trends to this is meaningless. Mutations are random, but first a mutation tends to be from the latest dominant strain, and second in order to outcompete it has to be able to move between hosts quicker. Deadlier isn't usually the most effective method of outcompeting, it just wants to replicate and move on.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Jan 5, 2022 8:45:13 GMT
I was of the understanding that now it has seemingly mutated downwards randomly, it would now be very hard for something that incapacitates people more easily to become the dominant strain. Unless we get another stroke of bad luck and we get something that can be easily transmitted in the first day or two that also works it's way into the lungs like the OG variant.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2022 8:45:46 GMT
Really? I thought they mutation was effectively sped up evolution. They adapt to survive, which in this case means becoming more contagious and less severe. Is that just received wisdom? That's correct. Its why Ebola didn't do so well (thankfully). It was way too severe and killed its host before they had a chance to pass it on to many others. The virus wants to live and killing its host isn't the best way to do that.
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Post by Reviewer on Jan 5, 2022 8:46:17 GMT
Really? I thought they mutation was effectively sped up evolution. They adapt to survive, which in this case means becoming more contagious and less severe. Is that just received wisdom? Yeah. The adapting to survive is a coincidence as a result of random mutations. It could mutate to have no effect, or to be more lethal (to a point - get too high and it runs out of hosts to infect and have a chance of missing). It is a common misconception that seems to assume the virus has some intelligence/control over its mutations.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2022 8:46:38 GMT
Really? I thought they mutation was effectively sped up evolution. They adapt to survive, which in this case means becoming more contagious and less severe. Is that just received wisdom? Exactly yeah. Yes the mutations are random but survival of the fittest decides which ones actually take hold. In this case they think the fact that it grows much better in the upper respiratory tissue makes it much more contagious. With the bonus of it being way less severe as it's not getting into the lungs nearly as much. Looking at it logically I can't see how another strain which sits in the lungs again can really outcompete if they're right.
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Post by Reviewer on Jan 5, 2022 8:48:03 GMT
Really? I thought they mutation was effectively sped up evolution. They adapt to survive, which in this case means becoming more contagious and less severe. Is that just received wisdom? That's correct. Its why Ebola didn't do so well (thankfully). It was way too severe and killed its host before they had a chance to pass it on to many others. Not virus wants to live and killing its host isn't the best way to do that. Again, the virus doesn’t ‘want’ anything. Ebola doesn’t spread fast because of how it’s transmitted which gives less opportunities for mutation.
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Post by Reviewer on Jan 5, 2022 8:52:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2022 9:01:14 GMT
That's correct. Its why Ebola didn't do so well (thankfully). It was way too severe and killed its host before they had a chance to pass it on to many others. Not virus wants to live and killing its host isn't the best way to do that. Again, the virus doesn’t ‘want’ anything. Ebola doesn’t spread fast because of how it’s transmitted which gives less opportunities for mutation. I realise viruses aren't sentient, but hoped you'd know what I meant without having to explain it.
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Post by elstoof on Jan 5, 2022 9:12:45 GMT
Ebola does its mutatin’ in the animal species that it commonly exists in, it’s only through contact with infected animals that human outbreaks occur. Viruses that coexist with humans typically fall into a balance of evolving just enough to dodge immunity and continue to spread, it’s the species jumpers that have caused devastation in the short term to a population without immunity
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Post by geefe on Jan 5, 2022 9:41:15 GMT
So I've woke up quite sniffly and sneezy. Sneezed more this morning than I have done in weeks.
Do I have the covid?
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Jan 5, 2022 9:45:14 GMT
Omnicron begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware 2:14 AM, Eastern time.
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Post by Dougs on Jan 5, 2022 9:46:12 GMT
Maybe - or could just be a cold. LFT every other day or so is prob wise but until they change the guidance to allow tests for cold-like symptoms (or you lie) you might not know.
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Post by X201 on Jan 5, 2022 9:50:17 GMT
So I've woke up quite sniffly and sneezy. Sneezed more this morning than I have done in weeks. Do I have the covid? Not necessarily. I had all of the top symptoms for omicron listed on the Zoe Covid study.
runny nose headache fatigue (either mild or severe) sneezing sore throat
LFTs were negative but had a PCR to be sure. Came back negative.
Whatever I have caught, it's the worst flu/cold/whatever that I've had in ages.
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Post by LegendaryApe on Jan 5, 2022 9:59:06 GMT
So I've woke up quite sniffly and sneezy. Sneezed more this morning than I have done in weeks. Do I have the covid? Not necessarily. I had all of the top symptoms for omicron listed on the Zoe Covid study.
runny nose headache fatigue (either mild or severe) sneezing sore throat
LFTs were negative but had a PCR to be sure. Came back negative.
Whatever I have caught, it's the worst flu/cold/whatever that I've had in ages.
You have discovered a new variant, undetectable by the tests. Luckily your username would make a good virus name. Go straight to the press and get your claim in early.
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Post by oldschoolsavant on Jan 5, 2022 10:08:09 GMT
Same. Flu-ish since Sunday, two negative LFTs, negative PCR result this morning, feeling better. I'm blaming all the Chinese warehouse dust from that desk I built on NYD. Toungue is still dry and cracked to fuck after the fever though ugh.
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Post by geefe on Jan 5, 2022 10:28:17 GMT
Maybe - or could just be a cold. LFT every other day or so is prob wise but until they change the guidance to allow tests for cold-like symptoms (or you lie) you might not know. Running low on LFT. Will leave ot a couple of days.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2022 10:32:18 GMT
Omnicron begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware 2:14 AM, Eastern time. Well it can't be worse than Johnson. I'll vote for it.
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Post by TheSaint on Jan 5, 2022 10:50:17 GMT
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Post by Psychotext on Jan 5, 2022 10:50:19 GMT
So the CDC reports that modelling done in the UK says that 31% of people infected with Omicron are still contagious on day 5. Is it me, or does that make it somewhat irresponsible to suggest that people can stop isolating at that point?
I understand that they (and we) want people back in work as soon as possible, but surely if 30% of those going back are still contagious, it's just going to result in more people ending up out sick?
The only way you fix that is by stopping isolation entirely (allowing free spread), and given the current hospitalisation rate, I'm not sure the NHS could cope with that.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Jan 5, 2022 10:56:36 GMT
Take precautions if you're financially okay, go and fuck yourself if you aren't, essentially.
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